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@Greyparrot
@Savant
@WyIted
@Redeemed
@Egos-platiniums-locos
Begin!
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@Lunatic
@Vader
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@AustinL0926
You have been challenged to a rap battle.
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EPIC RAP BATTLES OF HISTORY
THE TOWN
VERSUS
THE MAFIAAAAAAAAAA
BEGIN!
I did say that I would start this game in the morning, but since I've already sent out all the role PM's, I figured that I may as well start this thread. Since I am starting it early and at night when I don't expect many players to be on, this DP will be given a one-time 12 hour extension.
This is a 10-player game with 2 mafia players. All characters are battles from the Epic Rap Battles of History series. There is a theme split. Day phases will last 72 hours or until a majority of players vote for someone, or a majority vote to lynch no one (VTNL). If no majority is reached by the end of the day, there will be no lynch. Night phases will last 24 hours each. If you have a night action and do not submit it in time, you will automatically waive your action. If you cannot waive, your action will be chosen for you at random.
This is a 10-player game with 2 mafia players. All characters are battles from the Epic Rap Battles of History series. There is a theme split. Day phases will last 72 hours or until a majority of players vote for someone, or a majority vote to lynch no one (VTNL). If no majority is reached by the end of the day, there will be no lynch. Night phases will last 24 hours each. If you have a night action and do not submit it in time, you will automatically waive your action. If you cannot waive, your action will be chosen for you at random.
Rules:
- No copy-pasting your role PM or pretending to do so. Paraphrase it instead.
- No use of generative AI, including using AI to paraphrase your role PM for you.
- No editing or deleting posts.
- No conversing about the game outside of the DP threads or any approved chats.
- No liking posts after dying.
- No ciphers or cryptography.
- I reserve the right to add in additional rules as necessary to keep the game fair.
I will not answer questions in-thread, except to give a vote count or a time check. Please direct all other questions to me over PM. Generally speaking, I won't answer questions about roles other than your own. However, questions about flipped roles are generally okay.
Players:
- Vader
- whiteflame
- Lunatic
- AustinL0926
- ILikePie5
- Savant
- Egos-platiniums-locos
- WyIted
- Greyparrot
- Redeemed
This DP will end on Wednesday, January 29 at 12:00 PM. With ten players, it takes six votes to reach a majority.
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Players:
- Vader
- whiteflame
- Lunatic
- AustinL0926
- ILikePie5
- Savant
- Egos-platiniums-locos
- WyIted
- Greyparrot
- Redeemed
Backup: Earth
Sending out role PMs. Good luck to all!
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@McMieky
@Redeemed
Have either of you played mafia before? Any interest in joining?
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@Mharman
@Skipper_Sr
Cool
- Vader
- whiteflame
- Lunatic
- AustinL0926
- ILikePie5
- Savant
- Egos-platiniums-locos
- WyIted
- Greyparrot
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We can start with nine players, though I would like to get to 10. I'll start the game tomorrow morning with however many players we have.
Skipper, any interest in being our 10th?
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- Vader
- whiteflame
- Lunatic
- AustinL0926
- ILikePie5
- Savant
- Egos-platiniums-locos
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Just need two more to meet our minimum!
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Current Mafia:
None
Signups:
Casey Risk - ERB Mafia
In the Hopper:
Mharman - Gunplay Mafia
Austin - Debate Mafia
Wylted- skibidy Toilet
On Hold:
None
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@Barney
@ADreamOfLiberty
@JoeBob
@Moozer325
@Owen_T
Interested?
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@Greyparrot
@Vader
@Mharman
@AustinL0926
@Cerulean
Come play!
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EPIC RAP BATTLES OF HISTORY
THE TOWN
VERSUS
THE MAFIA!
Epic Rap Battles of History, if you haven't heard of it before, is a long-running series on YouTube created by Nice Peter and epicLLOYD. Each episode features, you guessed it, a rap battle, usually between two historical figures, though occasionally pop culture icons are used instead. Sometimes a battle will have a surprise third verse by a new participant. Many special guest stars have featured in various rap battles throughout the series, and ERB has spawned many imitators.
Each character in this game will be a battle from the series. As with the last game I hosted, I will allow the scum team to ask if two roles and two characters (battles) are in the game at any point during DP1. This will be a game for 9-10 people. I am going to have someone review my setup before I start the game -- I've learned my lesson from last time. That being said, I think my setup is fairly well-balanced, so there shouldn't be much, if any delay between us getting to the necessary amount of players and the game starting.
I will allow 48 hours from me posting this thread to see if we can get to 10 players.
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That being said, I had fun with this game even though it turned out poorly for my team. GG! I'll have my signups thread up in a bit
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@Lunatic
@Mharman
Shoutout to mharman for guessing the scum team first try btw, early on before almost anything was known, I was impressed
Indeed, that is impressive. Mharman is pretty damn good at this game.
Well-done on the part of the town. I agree with Luna that the Reviver was a little too OP in context. It was always going to be hard for us after that role got used, and we were lucky it went to GP who insta-claimed as usual. Anyone else probably would have waited to claim and blindsided us.
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Actually, I'm not going to prolong the inevitable here. I was prepared to fight, but after today, I just don't think I can pull off the upset win. I'll talk about it more after work when I get home, but this game was pretty swingy in its setup and it ended up swinging hard against me and Vader. My biggest blunder was not being concerned enough about Savant possibly roleblocking Vader -- the thought crossed my mind, but it just made sense to me to have the Ninja do the kill.
Anyway, I have to get back to work now. I concede the game.
VTL Casey
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Vader was so obviously scum, it was painful. If the town wants to lynch me, that's fine, just lynch Earth next.
VTL Earth
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@whiteflame
I'm on break rn, as usual. I've skimmed through the posts made in my absence. Earth already said he was fine with using his Vig on Vader and voted for me, so I'm assuming he's probably already done so.
My PoE remains unchanged. You're town, Pie is town, GP is town, Austin is town, and I know I'm town. That just leaves Earth and Vader. I think one of the two has to be a Godfather or a Lawyer. It fits with Luna's mod style, as I've already mentioned.
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@whiteflame
First, that kind of throws a wrench into your whole "they have an every night role" part of this explanation. If scum have a Godfather and a 1X Day Vig, then they have no night roles to select, yet you say they individually "can use one role per NP aside from the NK". Unless you consider a passive role a "role use," that doesn't match.
I don't quite understand this argument. Pie said that the mafia selected from a list of mafia-exclusive roles, so presumably they could have picked something other than what they did. Also, Pie said that they have two roles each. So, one might be a Godfather while the other has an active role.
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@AustinL0926
Let me ask you this. Suppose Earth shoots Vader and he somehow turns out to be town. Who do you think the scum team is in that case? What do you think the chances are that neither Vader nor Earth are scum?
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@ILikePie5
I suggest we force him to shoot Supa today. If Supa is somehow magically town, we no lynch and go into LYLO tomorrow not worrying about this. If Supa is scum, then we go ahead and lynch Earth. I hate the balance analysis argument but it makes sense for the second kill cause GP can theoretically revive a townie.
I like this plan.
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@Vader
I never acused you of being scum. In fact you are not in my scum reads. And didn't you agree with Wylted that shifting reads is town?
That's what I got out of you saying "Seriously cmon let's think a bit more critically. Unless you and him are scum team" while being very aggressive against me. Also, I don't remember ever saying that shifting reads is town.
I should also note that your behavior here is completely in line with your scum meta. As town, you're overly apologetic for your mistakes, like in Shocking TV Moments. As scum, you become aggressive.
I'm not going to bother going line-by-line with the rest of your post because that would be a waste of time. Occam's Razor, basic role analysis, basic behavioral analysis, doesn't matter, they all point squarely at you.
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I hate Earth's claim. He has to direct message his target in order to shoot them? And I do not understand his reasoning for why WF and I are the scum team. I'm fine with him scumreading me -- I think I should be in everyone's PoE right now -- but why does he pair me with WF specifically? "WF is in my PoE" doesn't cut it for me.
His reasoning for why he doesn't scumread Vader now also makes no sense, as Pie already pointed out. Vader did not in any way "waste" his double vote; he used it to quickly get a useful target lynched. If Savant hadn't been lynched yesterday, it almost certainly would have been Vader, and lynching the town RBer was useful for the scum team.
Yeah, I was completely right last DP, the scum team is Earth/Vader.
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@AustinL0926
It's complete garbage to do as a townie especially since he was yapping d1 about how my choice to choose hammerer was bad for town. Put simply, his decision to rush the day conflicts with his stated philosophy.He also made several posts about how it could be a frame by mafia to implicate both himself and Savant. So claiming that he was "certain" Savant was scum is simply a provable lie.
These are both great points.
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@whiteflame
As for the choice of NK, I'm definitely surprised. Not sure why scum would have targeted WyIted beyond him being widely townread, since he had already claimed to use his role. I was the obvious target, and I fully expected to be the NK. Nonetheless, I chose to target Earth and it came back innocent.
This is actually a really interesting point. I, too, was surprised to see Wylted be the kill. I think we have to take modpsych into account. I've brought this up several times before, but Luna has said that he thinks Cop is basically the most powerful town role out there, which is why he often doesn't include one at all, and when he does, he makes it easily counterable. I can dig up the quote if you want, but I know he talked about it in the US Presidential Elections Mafia Endgame thread. Knowing this, I think the most likely explanation is that the mafia has a good way to counter a Cop, and they were willing to rely on it rather than taking the safe option and trying to kill you. Food for thought.
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@Vader
But then you lazily threw it away just to vote for Savant when you knew I had a double voter role that I was going to use on Savant.
You're doing that thing you did in Years Mafia where you tried to accuse me of being scum based on one line of logic, then I effectively rebutted it, so you immediately pivot to a different line of logic. It's how I knew you were scum even before WF CC'ed you. I didn't consider Earth at all, except I did, so the actual reason I'm scum is that I didn't stay on him after it became clear that the wagon wasn't going anywhere, and I still clearly stated that I believed he was scum. Right.
Also, I appreciate the subtle deflection, making me seem sus for "basically putting Savant at L-1", but we ought not sus you for literally putting him at L-1, which conveniently for you, you didn't know would be a hammer, it was just a coincidence. How interesting.
Like I said, it's clear that mafia waived the NK to try and cause pandamonium. And it's working lmao. Earth then was the first to capitalize on it then for quite literally no reason besides saying, I didn't get roleblocked because I had a day action, and thus never got a notification
Occam's Razor. Do I believe that the mafia waived after seeing the town's only negative utility role get lynched, knowing he would be revived, stripped of neg utility status, and be confirmed town, and still decided to not kill anybody? Or do I believe that the scum team just screwed up their night actions? I'm leaning towards the second.
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@ILikePie5
Unvote until Earth claims
Fair enough.
Unvote
Just got out of work, will post my thoughts when I get home.
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@Vader
There are multiple ways I can be town in this game. This game is 10x more broad than you think. Not even 1 consideration for Earth baiting and confusing town with Day Vig, then following it up with nothing susbtantive? Seriously cmon let's think a bit more critically. Unless you and him are scum team
Lol. As if I didn't vote for Earth last DP. As if I wasn't literally saying last DP that the scum team was you and Earth if Savant flipped town. Which he did.
Not to mention, we know Savant was the role blocker and he targeted you. No NK. How do you explain that if you're town?
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There is no reason we should not lynch Vader today. After yesterday, I cannot see a way for him to be town.
VTL Vader
VTL Vader
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I'm gonna be honest here. There's way too much confirmation in this game, it's already solved from my pov, and I'm rapidly losing interest. I'm just going to vote for Savant. I don't really buy Wylted's theory, but he's where the momentum is. If he's scum, GG. Otherwise, we kill Vader and then Earth. GG. Town can't lose.
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VTL Savant
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@Savant
Okay, so at this point my PoE is mostly unchanged, except that I now highly doubt that WF is scum. He's the Investigative role, and there's still the possibility of him being something like a Mafia Scout, but I don't think that's very likely at this point. That leaves Earth, Savant, and Vader, and I think it's pretty clear that Savant and Vader are not on a team together. I just can't see that being true. I'd say we more or less have this game solved.
So if that's the case, which I'm now not really sure about, it makes Earth probably the biggest suspect. And Wylted's push of me would set them up nicely for a double mislynch. I don't know how reasonable this is, but an Earth/Wylted team would be interesting.
My gut tells me Wylted is town, and I trust my gut when it comes to Wylted. That being said, according to my PoE, the only possible way that Earth could not be scum is if WF is a scum investigator. Or if one of my other townreads is wrong, but the only other one I can see being wrong is Wylted. I would like to know what he did last night. Has he said yet?
In any case, lynching Earth is practically zero risk imo, because from my perspective, the only way he can be town is if I'm looking at the game entirely the wrong way. After we nail him, we can figure out which one of you and Vader is scum, though I suspect that the mafia will probably just concede. With all this confirmation going around, if we hit scum today, the game becomes pretty much unwinnable for the mafia.
VTL Earth
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In case it wasn't clear, I am the Communication role. Also, all my options were 1x. I chose Mason Recruiter because it seemed like the most fun and also potentially the most useful.
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I suppose I may as well claim my role now, since I don't really have a good reason not to. I am the 1x Mason Recruiter. Last night I recruited Pie, giving us access to a private chat. He can confirm. My other options were Messenger, Neighborizer (visit someone, they will know I visited them), and Opening Post Messenger (leave a public message at the beginning of the DP for all to see).
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@AustinL0926
Ftr it's nice being conftown but I'm not going to strongarm the lynch.I'm going to give my thoughts and we'll work this out democratically.
How polite and Canadian of you.
I'm leaning scum on Savant but it's not a lock read, willing to hear him out today.
He definitely looks a lot worse today after your death and revival. The RB claim is intriguing tho, given that the NK was actually stopped.
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@Greyparrot
why is earth claiming doctor (protective)
I think he was just being facetious
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@Savant
Luna confirmed I'm alive. Earth was doing a reaction test.
Ah, I see.
In that case, we should probably let Austin take the lead this DP, given that he's confirmed town.
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and we'll know what Vader is.
We'll know what Savant is. EBWOP
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Alright, I JUST got out of work and given Earth's quick Day Vig, this DP may be over before I get home. My POE has it down to WF, Savant, Earth, and Vader. If Earth really is a Day Vig, then he's out of the PoE for me, and we'll know what Vader is. I'd say this game is pretty much solved.
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@WyIted
You need to explain why you allowed a member of town to be lynched instead of voting for obvious scum.
I think I pretty clearly explained why I thought Savant was likely town. If I'm wrong, so be it, but you're doing the Pie thing where you think everyone who disagrees with you is dumb. Sometimes people just have different viewpoints.
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@WyIted
Alright, I slept in later than I intended to, but I'm up, and I have a few thoughts.
It's been a while since I've played a game with Savant, but one particular thing I remember about him is that I always found myself leaning scum on him every game, even though he was town. Being aggressively defensive when pushed is actually a towntell for him. As scum, he's a lot more accepting of pressure. Based on his behavioral meta, I'm inclined to believe he's town.
As for the supposed CC:
Also Savant literally just claimed role blocker. I got bus driver and redirector as options. How many scummy roles do you think lunatic gave town?
Manipulation and Role Prevention were always going to be inherently scummy categories. Given the open setup, I don't think it's that crazy for both to be town. Why do you think it's so unlikely?
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@AustinL0926
I genuinely don't think I could have done what I just did if I was scum because it takes a huge amount of mental effort to ignore the path of least resistance and just consistently townread my biggest pusher and instead focus on those on the sidelines. That comes from a place of genuine solving.
Maybe so. I'll re-read tomorrow and give my updated read on the situation, plus a full reads list. Going to go to bed for now.
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@AustinL0926
I'd love to hear the scum agenda behind me townreading my biggest pusher.
I don't think this is that inexplicable. Obviously if you're scum, you don't want to be lynched, especially not on DP1, and townreading someone who is pushing hard for your lynch is generally a towny thing to do. If you get lynched as town DP1, oh well, it's not that bad, unless you're a good investigative/protective role, which you're not. The town at least gets some information they can use to help them make a more informed decision next time. Except in this game, it's even less bad for the town. In fact, it's a positive, because you become a confirmed townie and lose your negative utility status thanks to GP's role.
That's why I'm struggling to buy your claim that you were doing a reaction test. Savant actually does have a point here -- it kind of feels like you trying to wiggle your way out of potentially getting lynched. Also, it's ironic that you accuse Savant of using a town v town argument to help get you lynched when you yourself only voted for Savant after Wylted and GP did. Although I will grant that you may just have not been online before then; I haven't been watching that kind of thing, and I've been busy myself. Still, you're jumping from accusing one person who's pushing you to saying they're actually town, and now this person who's accusing you and has a couple votes on them is the real scum, and that's just kinda sus to me.
I will say this, though: I don't think you and Savant could possibly both be scum. It's way too early for a bus here, and this fight might be town v town, but if we end up killing you and are wrong about it, I'm more than willing to take a second look at Savant.
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@Savant
Pie's intuition in previous games. Austin claiming a gambit changes this dynamic though. Right now it's him or Vader imo.
I agree that Pie is a pretty good player, but it's not like he's infallible. It would be a very bold move of him to play like he's playing as scum imo. Not to say that it's impossible that he decided to do that, but I think he's most likely town regardless of whether his theory turns out to be correct.
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@Savant
Alright, I'm tired tonight and probably just going to go to bed soon, but I have read up on all the posts so far, and I want to ask one question here:
My inclination right now is that if Pie is very sure about a scum slip, then he's either scum or Austin is.
What makes you so sure about this, Savant?
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I'm on break right now and my break is not nearly long enough, so I'll keep my thoughts brief. I would rather us try to hit scum tbh, but if we can't come to an agreement on who is most likely scum, then we lynch Pie. If he's scum, then good, if not, then we get a confirmed townie and info about the mafia that we know we can trust.
I'll go into more detail later after I get home, but I don't buy that Austin is practically confirmed town if he confirms his role for the simple reason that he could have another role besides Hammerer. The OP suggested that scum would have additional roles, and Pie's info says the same thing. If his other role and his partner's roles are both good, it's more than balanced. Also, Hammerer isn't even that bad for scum.
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