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@whiteflame
Surely you can't be serious.
I am serious. 

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@whiteflame
As for this, either you are the Jester and you gave yourself away for some absurd reason or you aren't and this is a weird gambit.
I'm asking the town to pretty please give me a win because it would make me really happy. :)

Nah, I'm just having fun. Same reason I claimed to be Mafia during DP1. Obviously I'm not the Jester... Or am I? 

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Ah, so we're doing mime mafia then. Interesting. I'm the Jester. 

VTL Casey 
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@Mharman
Anyway someone hammer this Mharman noob he just got CCd and now he’s OMGUSing.
I mean, I gotta see what happens if we actually do it. 

VTL Mharman 
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Okay seriously, what is going on here? 
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@whiteflame
I need someone to tell me what’s going on…
I have no idea, I'm just rolling with it. 
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@iamanabanana
okay lynch me then I dont have a role pm anyway so I dont think I am playing lol
Read the OP. Most of us don't have our roles yet. I don't either. 
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@Greyparrot
RFD: he said he was Mafia.
Damn it, you got me. All because of that one subtle slip of openly admitting it... You may kill me, but you will never kill my spirit. The mafia will live on, and we will have our victory! 
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Haha finally, I get to be mafia again after my long town streak! Let's go Luna, we're gonna win this one, I can feel it. 
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/in

Should be fun. I've actually had an idea for a bastard game of my own floating around in my head. 
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@Skipper_Sr
Honestly, I agree with Wylted and Pie. You did well for your first game. I don't have anything else to add, really. Just be sure to give lots of reads to explain your thoughts on the game and the players. 
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In retrospect, we really should have lynched BarJoe DP2. They were *so* scummy, and I feel a bit dumb for so easily being pulled away from their wagon, and a bit guilty for not checking first whether I'd be putting Cerulean at L-1.

I'm not sure whether I would have voted for Skipper or not. I kept going back and forth on him, unsure whether his noobslips were genuine or fake. The balance also seemed off, as everyone else has already noted. Hey, at least I'm not the only one who accidentally made an overly scumsided game for their third time hosting on here. 

Anyway, like I said, I didn't like Pie's Vanilla claim. I also didn't like how he suddenly flip-flopped on Skipper, going from saying how he was obviously noob town to saying how he was obviously mafia. He also seemed to read me inconsistently, suddenly saying that I deserved the win if I was scum for fakeclaiming Hated, which felt like it came out of nowhere. 

As for JoeBar, I never once had a reason to townread them. So, if I had though it through more, I might have been able to solve the game. 
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I'll add more when I get home, but I wasn't convinced on Pie being town. His Vanilla claim seemed too convenient. 
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@ILikePie5
@WyIted
Do you buy that Skipper just made a genuine townslip? 
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@Skipper_Sr
I was rereading what Earth told me, and the message doesn't actually specifically say I am a townsfolk. It only says "you win with the town." I would've been told explicitly that I am on the town, right? I think this means I am really a third-party player.
No, that means you're town. 
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@WyIted
Right now I am trying to figure out if Skippy or joebob/barney is more certain. I think we have to wait and see where Casey wants to go 
I'm thinking it over rn. I'd like to see what JoeBob has to say first. 
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@Skipper_Sr
Dude, if I was scum with a roleblocking ability, I would not have said out loud what my ability was. Maybe there are strategies to that, but not a good one in this game right now. 
That's a WIFOM argument. I've seen mafia make very risky and ballsy plays before and get away with it. 
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@Skipper_Sr
The reason being that two of them are passive--Commuter and Ascetic--and only one is active--Jailkeeper
Commuter is active. A Commuter can choose whether to commute or not. Only Ascetic is passive. 
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@Lunatic
I dont think it was but unvote just in case, just wanted a vote down before I went to sleep so things arent stalled out on me
An accidental hammer is still a hammer, but yeah, that's 4/4.
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@Cerulean
I’m down to lynch Barney, but we have to be 100% sure, otherwise it’s game over. 
Fair enough. If I were Cerulean, I'd be down to take the free win. 

Unvote 

VTL Cerulean
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@Lunatic
He (wylted) claimed ascetic.
That's right, I forgot. 

So we have an ascetic, a Jailkeeper, and a Commuter. Three roles that deal with preventing actions happening/ blocking.
All that, plus Mharman's 1x Doctor. Got to be a fakeclaim among all that. Maybe even two. 
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@JoeBob
Actually, I see no reason not to place my vote at this point. It's not like we're at MYLO or anything. 

VTL JoeBob 

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@Lunatic
I suggest it because our major investigative roles are already outed, or dead. The only other thing I can think of us maybe risking is a potential protective role, and there might not even be one because mharman had a 1x doctor ability. Earth's prior two games only had bodyguard's also. If there is another protective role, I am guessing it's a weak one given the existence of the 1x doc. 
Fair enough, that's a decent point. I guess the only other person who hasn't claimed yet is Wylted, and he's town in my book. I won't put Pie at L-1 unless he becomes really stubborn, but I suppose pressuring him for a claim isn't such a bad idea. 

Wait, you weren't given anything?
Nope. Part of why I scumread him. 
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@Lunatic
Usually it's pulling teeth to get that man to claim, so I usually dread it but I think we should be mass claiming this phase to puzzle this out. 
Eh, I'm not really a fan of mass claiming on DP2 unless the town just gets lucky and kills scum DP1. I think behavioral and mechanical analysis ought to be prioritized. Both of those lead me to Barney.

Again, I don't like the idea of both a JOAT and a Dreaming God existing in this game. It just doesn't make sense to me, and I'm not sold on Barney's excuse for why he suddenly claimed it early. He could always just claim his role whenever he was able to actually log on to DART. 
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@WyIted
Casey, does your ability deactivate at LYLO
Yes, I did say that in DP1. It deactivates at MYLO/LYLO. 

Could we be at mylo right now?
You think there's three scum? 
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@Cerulean
I do have lingering doubts on Barney, since my character makes it ambiguous if the theme split is "Bosses aligned with Bowser / Bosses who aren't" or "Characters aligned against Mario / Characters aligned with Mario."
Actually, that brings up a question I've wondered about. Do third parties typically fall on the scum side or the town side of the theme split? 
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@Cerulean
The justification for being a Commuter is that I am optional, but very difficult to fight. (Frankly, I think PGO would have been a better role.)
Are you really an every night Commuter, or is it limited in some way? 
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@Barney
@Casey
What did magic do for you?
You mean you weren't told what ability Magic was? That's not how I know Dreaming God to work. And Earth didn't tell me anything, so your guess as to what it did is as good as mine. 
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I have to say, I'm not sure why Mharman claimed basically his real role aside from being a Tracker rather than a Watcher. I don't quite understand the strategy there. 

In any case, with the CC basically cleared up now, I have a townread on Luna. CC'ing as mafia is generally very dangerous. I'd have to believe that Luna figured out that Mharman was probably lying about his role and went for it. It's possible, but I don't think it's likely. I think Luna was probably just being genuine.

Regarding Skipper, I've gone back and forth on him a bit, but I think he's more likely town than scum at this point. If his claim sounds good, he'll be off my radar. 

I sus Barney for the same reason he sussed Mharman - why would there be a Dreaming God and a JOAT in the same game? Doesn't make sense to me.

As for everyone else, I'll have to reread DP1, but they're all in my PoE pile. 
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Wait, I just realized Mharman didn't even have a Watcher. Sorry, I skimmed through a lot of stuff. I think Luna is probably town in that case. 
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Unvote 

Still at work, will give my full thoughts later. Still uneasy about Luna's claim, but maybe Earth just made this game different from his others. 
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@Lunatic
VTL Lunatic 

You need to full claim now. 
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@Mharman
Alright, it's late and I had a long day at work, so I've skimmed through some of the posts that have been made. I still think it's highly unlikely at best that both Mharman and Lunatic are town, so in my eyes, lynching him is the most sensible course of action. If he turns out to have been telling the truth, then that sucks, but at least we still have Luna. I also really do not like how Mharman is zeroing in on the noob.

I guess my closest guess for a teammate would be Wylted first, Pie second
Mharman, why those two specifically? I'd like to hear your reasoning.
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Mharman sure writes a lot, no one can deny. I'm still at work. I'll just say for now that Mharman townreading me and Luna is a good sign, though I still think he's probably our best option for a lynch today. 
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@Skipper_Sr
PR - power role. A role that has some sort of active ability. 

CC - counter-claim. Saying you have the same role or character as someone else. 

JOAT does mean Jack of all Trades. It's a type of role where you have multiple different abilities, but can only use each one once. 

WIFOM stands for Wine In Front Of Me. It's explained more in the guide, but basically, it's a reference to the fact that you can never know for sure how someone would act or what strategy they would use as mafia or town. Arguments that rely heavily on "would I really do that?" are based on WIFOM, and usually aren't too good, because how can we know what you would do in any given situation? People are surprising sometimes. 
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@Lunatic
"Years", it was actually Earths only game, which makes the leap of logic of town having big time power roles like that even weirder for his second game.
Earth also did Fire Emblem Mafia. It was a long time ago, however. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6667-fire-emblem-mafia-endgame
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@WyIted
This statement is so suspicious. Why would lunatic thinking a claim is scummy, make him scum?
It's because Lunatic is specifically CCing Mharman, and I frankly agree with his logic. It's not impossible that Earth gave Luna a full-time version of one of Mharman's JOAT roles, but I do find it to be highly unlikely. Just look at Earth's previous games -- he doesn't include a lot of power roles, on either team. 
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@Lunatic
@Mharman
Alright, I've caught up. Honestly... I have to side with Luna here. In terms of balance, I find it implausible in general for there to be one full-time role and a JOAT with that role, and in terms of modpsych, I don't think Earth would be the one to do it. Plus, I don't like how Mharman just straight-up claimed all his abilities either. Keeping my vote on Mharman, who is now my top scumread. If he flips Innocent, Luna is most likely scum. 
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@Mharman
I'm at work right now so I can't say too much, but I will say that I feel pretty satisfied with Cerulean's response for now. As for Mharman, I feel like he's more likely paranoid town than scum. There's just one thing that gives me pause, and that's the one quote I pointed out earlier where it felt like he was trying to hard buddy me. I still don't really like it that much, despite his explanation. To be honest, I'd rather get Mharman's claim than Cerulean's at this point. 

VTL Mharman 
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@Cerulean
Granted, the hours might not have matched up exactly since these sorts of things typically round.
Yeah, beyond an hour, it always rounds down from what I can tell. So if someone had been offline for four hours and 45 minutes, it'll just say '4 hours'. 
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@Lunatic
I was picking up on the stuff you were laying down with skipper, because I also think he was laying the noob stuff on a lil too thick. Some of the questions almost seem like he is selling it too hard (asking what "SOP" means for example, that is a fairly common piece of terminology used all over the world, almost anyone who has ever had a real job knows what a "Standard Operating Procedure" is. That and I when he was asking about the pm stuff, a lot of that felt fairly common sense to me and where he over sold it is trying to say "Earth doesn't have my discord information, so I guess I have to be town right? haha right guys? look at silly little innocent noob me hahah!"
I didn't know what SOP meant in my first game, either. Heck, even in the last game, I had to explain the term to Mharman. You saw that, right? 

The one thing I can agree with you on is Skipper mentioning PMs. I feel like it should be pretty common sense that you can't just PM other players, and that does make me want to suspect Skipper. Behaviorally, I've gone back and forth on him, but right now I'm back to a town read. 
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@Cerulean
63 and 64 were reads posts of mediocre quality. Not obviously bad, but hedgy (note: "hedging" as in "playing both sides of a read to avoid committing to either") enough with Casey and Skipper that I didn't feel inspired to unvote. I suppose I could have said that exactly in 68, but I didn't.
Yeah, that's reasonable. I wasn't super impressed by them either.

I don't think it's unreasonable to read into activity, especially since you were online before then.
Was he? That's some important context I missed out on. There's a big difference between placing suspicion on someone who hasn't even been online at all vs someone who has been online, but hasn't posted much yet. 

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@Skipper_Sr
I think for the most part, I can't comprehend it. I lack understanding of certain terminology like "parroting" and "OMGUSing." I'm not very smart; I have to work hard to think smart. I feel like what Mharman says about Cerulean I can agree with, but I don't really know how to articulate that. My opinion is just intuition or emotionally-based 
Fair enough, this DP has been pretty terminology-heavy for a beginner. I'm about to log off for real now, but a quick explanation of a couple terms you mentioned:

Parroting - self-explanatory, just repeating what someone else said while adding nothing else of substance. Usually a scumtell (something that indicates a player is likely Mafia).

OMGUS - "OMG, U SUCK!" Basically, voting for someone just because they voted for you in order to try and scare them off. Not necessarily a scumtell, but in practice it tends to be.
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@Skipper_Sr
Alright, I'm satisfied with that response to Mharman's thoughts on you specifically for now. I'd still like to hear your thoughts on Cerulean, if you have any. Do you understand what Mharman is saying about him?
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@Cerulean
I'll do this for now. I'm going to log off soon cause it's late.

VTL Cerulean

Why, specifically, did you decide to keep your vote on Mharman? What was it about his behavior that you did not like, aside from his initial inactivity?
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@Mharman
So, noticing how he's accusing me (in the same post you called out) and how Cerulean seemed to be doing a similar subtle accusation in his reply to me earlier, I established a link in their behavior, meaning potential collusion.  The logic pipeline is essentially Cerulean -> Skipper for me.
Yeah, I can see that ig.

As for now? His recent response to you about he understands your points is kinda pointing me in the direction of the former now; nonetheless I will acknowledge that your original case on him does have some points. I guess I'll say he's up in the air for me after that.
I feel similarly. Banana and Owen were both pretty clearly noob town in their first games. Skipper is clearly a noob, but he's not obviously noob town or noob scum, so I don't really know how to feel about him.
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@Skipper_Sr
Also, Skipper, I since it looks like you're back online, I want to hear your thoughts on post #88 as well. What do you think?
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@Mharman
I guess you a have a bit of a point here that it is merely a possibility, but I wouldn't count out the idea. What about his behavior looks legit to you?
Nothing in particular, it's just that nothing really stood out to me, either, before you started making your case against him.

He kept his vote one me? Why not say why? Wouldn't that still be good for a reaction test? To me, the subtlety just looks like he's hesitant to commit to saying anything. Like something self-preserving scum would do, whether they thought super hard about it, or its more subconscious/instinct.
That's a much better point imo. On reread, that's the one thing I really don't like coming from Cerulean.

I won't lie, though. I'm more inclined to believe it because it looks like a post one would make while working connection with... Cerulean!
Circling back to this: What exactly do you think is the connection between Skipper and Cerulean? It's not super clear to me from reading your one posts, other than that you think they're both somewhat suspicious for different reasons.
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@Mharman
I'm actually saying it's not a reaction test. I'm saying he's faking one. I gave a reason for that: I just don't see the need for him to be subtle about it. He can say outright he doesn't like something about me and it'd have the same effect. The subtlety is part of the plan. He can call it a test if he gets called out, and he can wait for someone else to make a case on me... which I think he was trying to condition someone to do.
I mean, I guess that's possible. I'd have to believe that Cerulean is playing 4D chess, though, and so far all the evidence just suggests that it's a possibility imo. Like yeah, he could give all sorts of responses to other players' responses to his fake reaction test, but who's to say that he would have done any of that?

Admittedly, I am aware he can spin one of my points back on me. I've also been hesitant to accuse until now, so what gives? Well, I was hesitant because I know if I counter-accuse, he's got what he wants. In a way, I'm giving him just that- except for the fact that someone else from town is starting to take a look at some of these things- you're kinda my hero for being the ice breaker. I'm gonna trust you.
I'm gonna be honest, it feels like you're trying to buddy me here really hard. I never said anything about Cerulean, yet you say that I'm "starting to take a look at some of these things". It's like you're trying to make me think your thoughts were actually my ideas, too, when... no, they were not.
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