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@whiteflame
Hell, I remember a time GP outright lied about being Popular and ended up pushing someone to suicide into them as a bomb to prove it. I know that’s not how it’s always played, but that’s how it’s written on my screen.
Who modded that game? How long ago was it?
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@Mharman
Thoughts on post #381?
Banana being the Mafia JOAT is an interesting theory. I can see that being true, especially if the JOAT includes a Mafia Scout. I'll have to reevaluate tomorrow after the flip and Pie and you claim your roles, but given that Banana has claimed something investigative and you and Pie have also softed something similar, I think that there's almost definitely one scum between the three of you. For now, I've moved to a fairly solid townread on you based on behavior. As for Pie v Banana, I'll have to reevaluate DP2.
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@whiteflame
Bombs and Super Saints have both come up in previous games, so it’s just a matter of which you think is more likely in this game, and with this song almost a given to be in this game, I could see why he’d choose to go this way.
Okay, but that's not what a Bomb is. The Bomb activates at night. You said that it's "just like the normal Bomb where the last person on my lynch dies" but that's not at all what the normal Bomb does. That's what the Super Saint does.
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I find it somewhat difficult to believe that Luna would call WF's claimed role the Suicide Bomb when Super Saint already exists and does the exact same thing, while at the same time there's already a Suicide Bomber role which is different. It just doesn't make sense to me.
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@ILikePie5
So how is this functionally different than a Super Saint?
Yeah, that doesn't make sense to me either. The normal Bomb is where whoever kills you at night also dies. The claim absolutely does not line up with the stated role.
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@Mharman
In both Banana and Pie’s claims, justifications up to this point have referred to lyrics in the song. Mine does as well. Whiteflame’s claim does not.
Same thing here. I don't like that about WF's claim.
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@Mharman
Nope, have a good night, talk to you tomorrow.
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@Mharman
Wait, you talking tomorrow as in Nov 4 or DP2?
Based on #318, probably DP2.
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@Mharman
Actually, I did just think of something. What do you make of this from Pie?
Well I’ll just say that Luna refers to himself as the “God” in my PM
I hadn't been thinking of Dreaming God at all, but I think it's a little weird that he got defensive about it, especially given that he himself said it was a very town-leaning role. Just look at the Heroic Heroes Endgame.
DP4, I don’t know what Owen was thinking. His claim was stupid. He should’ve used his real claim and said he got it as town. Same with Wylted. I don’t see why he had to go claim Tracker when Dreaming God is a heavily town role.
Idk, maybe I'm onto nothing.
I'm Eastern US time btw
Same here.
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TBH I have a slight scumleaning on all the players who aren't very interested in my lynch. Scum don't generally want neg town utility players out DP1, or even at all before MYLO/LYLO if they can help it. The fact that WF doesn't seem to care about me at all is actually a bad sign in my book.
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@Mharman
It's really late in the DP and we need to lynch someone in the morning. I kinda want to pressure Whiteflame for a claim; I don't think we're looking into him enough. Everything he has done this game is just super convenient for him if he's scum.
That's a good point. I don't feel like he's actually provided any useful insight or done anything to really progress the game like he normally does.
I also don't understand why Pie is holding off pushing for a Banana lynch, given what he just said. If I'm picking up what he's putting down, I reckon it'd be a good tradeoff from his perspective is Banana got lynched.
That's confusing to me as well. I don't fully understand what's going on there, but at the same time, I think it would be anti-town to openly speculate too much.
I don't think Pie is going to claim further today. If we're going to push someone else for a claim, I think it ought to be Whiteflame. I still have a town leaning on Owen (albeit mostly a gutread) but WF is still very null to me.
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@Mharman
I guess the argument here is that he'll only get a temporary pass for lynching a TI, and that he needs less DP's to maximize the temp cred he'll get for saying "not my fault this person got lynched for playing like an idiot."?
Alright, now it's my turn to ask about an acronym. What does 'TI' mean here?
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@Moozer325
since you’re already in the scum pool, I could see you playing a gambit with nothing to lose.
There wasn't THAT much pressure on me, so I'd hardly say I had nothing to lose. It was mostly people pointing their FoS at me. But whatever, I digress.
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@Moozer325
I’m not sure what to make of Casey’s repeated insistence on the fact that we should lynch them, it could go either way for me, but if I had to pick it seems scummy to me.
Respectfully, why? Sure, it could be a scum gambit of mine, but it would also be a very risky one on my part. Losing one partner in a 2v7 to the DP1 lynch is about the worst thing that can happen to a scum team. I know; I've seen it happen before. Remember US Presidential Elections Mafia?
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@Vader
Okay, I'll grant that my questions were a little bit fluffy. (Though even then, I don't think #19 was really that fluffy, and neither was #53.) I just didn't feel like they were vague, that's all.
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@Vader
I don't love banana's claim but I am willing to keep banana alive to see it through. I will say it's not a strong claim and tbh I think I may have used it as scum one time, or was considering using it
I used it as a fakeclaim in my last scum game. I died because of it, but only because DD apparently can't read and thought I was claiming Watcher, which I definitely was NOT. Then he used his ability as a Hunter to take me down with him. Yeah, I know it's extremely petty, but I'm still salty about that. I'm fine with being caught for behavioral/mechanical reasons; that provides a learning opportunity. But when I get killed as scum for extremely dumb reasons, I get a little bit pissed tbh.
Anyway, I do think the claim is slightly on the sus side because of its simplicity, but in the absence of a CC, I'm fine with it for now.
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@Vader
I have an issue with this statement. Seems extremely OMGUS. I backed off because I mistakenly thought what Luna said. If you had a scum read on me before I switched my reasoning, why did you switch it to null when I switched to null. Seems ultra defensive IMO and tbh out of no where.
Tbh you were giving me flashbacks to DP2 of Years Mafia when you were scum and trying to push me as your target, mainly the idea of using faulty reasoning. In Years, you were trying to push me for supposed aggressiveness in pushing Wylted DP1, even though it was pretty clear I just wanted a lynch, and in the absence of a strong scumread on anyone, getting rid of dead weight just made sense. In this game, you were talking about how I was supposedly asking vague questions even though I wasn't, which I didn't like at all, but the way you stopped pursuing that line felt very unlike what I've seen of you as scum, so I didn't really have a reason to sus you anymore after that.
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@iamanabanana
I think you're missing the broader point here. It's less the content of your argument and moreso the very aggressive nature of it, which is a typical scumtell. I'd associate a sudden aggressiveness from someone with them being likely scum regardless of gender or anything, all other factors being equal. The point is, we're trying to get claims from players here. I do want your claim, but I also want Pie's, and Mharman feels the same way. If you don't claim soon, you're likely just going to be lynched.
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@WyIted
Why don't you just full claim?Also if your role is that bad why aren't you trying to draw an NK? Why would you prefer being the lynch?
Well, it's a bit late for me to draw the NK now. Better for me to get lynched than any other townie, most likely.
As for full claiming, I'll do it if enough players want me to. I'm actually a little bit nervous about not dying today after full claiming. Like I said, my role can potentially hinder the mafia if I choose well and get a bit lucky, but if the mafia actually know what I am and how I intend to use my role, that can backfire. I'll fullclaim as long as the town promises to kill me for doing so, but I want to hear claims from Banana and Pie first.
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@ILikePie5
@WyIted
i think he is at L2 so I won't vote and he is somebody I certainly would not want to mislynch due to his usefulness in general if he happens to be town.
Actually, you're right, Pie is at L-2 right now.
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If neither Pie nor Banana have particularly sus claims, kill me.
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@Mharman
He's likely to pick Banana, but I want to make the deal a little sweeter top incentivize a claim from him. I want at least two people in my pool to claim, preferably two people on opposite side of the dynamic. It will help me analyze my own theories about who could be teamed up with who.
Fair enough ig. I'm not really happy with either Pie or Banana rn tbh, so I'm fine with getting claims from both of them. We also don't really have all that much time left, so going after the player who's actually active right now makes sense.
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@Mharman
Of more note is the fact that Casey has is now being pushed in agreement with Pie, in her own words. I was being drawn back into a conditional scumread of her by association with Banana, in the event Pie is innocent. But now her turn is weird. I don't like that either, and keep in mind she is in position to flip between Pie and Banana all she wants if both of them are innocent and she's scum.
It was really all due to post 176. I really did not like the strong aggressive turn that Banana made. Just a clear OMGUS.
And then there's Whiteflame in the mix now. The second Casey might turn on Banana, he's her to somewhat agree with her, but not go too far. This is a pattern I've seen from him all game long and it almost feels like he's too scared to scumread someone outright.
Actually, I also noticed that WF was the one who said we didn't have much time left in the DP, only to then agree with Pie somewhat on pushing Banana, but not actually cast a vote for her. I thought that was strange.
It is here where I propose a compromise: After Pie claims, I would like him to pick someone for us to pressure. I strongly prefer a player in my pool, but I am willing to let him go outside of it. My only stipulation is that Moozer is off the table completely.
Interesting, but I'm not sure what the point of this is. What makes you think he's going to pick anyone other than Banana?
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@iamanabanana
Can we at least get a character claim from you?
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@Lunatic
I thought this DP was going to end in the morning? If it's actually going to end at 10:30 at night, then that also works ig.
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Okay, now I'm starting to agree with Pie. I don't like #176 at all.
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@ILikePie5
The behavior is inconsistent.
Inconsistent how?
And she uses incorrect logic by saying when I’m not active, I’m scum and when I’m active, I’m town. That’s just wrong as I pointed out.
She didn't say you were inactive in Mayday Mafia, but rather that you were (in her opinion) disinterested. Now, I also disagree with that statement, but that's a bit more subjective, and I don't think she would likely make that argument as scum. I can't imagine her partner telling her to say that. I think it's more likely her genuine recollection, even if it's off. Vader had an incorrect recollection about Lunatic talking about me in this very thread this very day. I was actually slightly scumreading him for it (as well as the fact that he said I've been asking vague questions, which is just factually wrong), but then he backed off and I'm back to a null read on him.
That’s the definition of aggressive behavior.
Lol
Again, why even worry about this if she hasn’t even been asked to claim? It’s an irrational thing to do, unless you’re worried about claiming early.
Again, she wasn't expressing worry, she was expressing annoyance. You have to look at the context. She had two votes on her with no explanation and clearly did not understand why. It's a natural reaction from a noob.
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@ILikePie5
She has clearly put me in her scum pool and her vote is on me I think.
Neither of those are aggressive behavior.
Why would a townie need to worry about when they claim. This reeks of noob scum
She wasn't worried, she was expressing her annoyance. Which, honestly, I kind of get it.
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@Mharman
Honestly, if there's no clear consensus on anyone else by the end of the DP, I actually think I should be the lynch. I can interfere with the mafia if I choose well, but it does rely on a bit of luck.
For now, however, I actually kind of want to push Pie for a claim. I believe my vote is already on him, but just in case...
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Does anyone else find it very weird that Pie reads Banana as being 'aggressive' this game? Because I do. These are all the posts Banana has made about Pie.
#41
My main thought at this time, is that I am a little surprised in pie's activity day phase 1. He seemed a lot more active in the last game, and seems dis-interested here. He was also dis-interested in Mayday mafia, where he happened to be mafia. it seems like he tends to be more active as town. It might be too early to draw that conclusion though as the game has been up for less than 24 hours at this point
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VTL pie, im a bit surprised he hasnt been here yet
#105
My thoughts on scum is loosely between pie, owen and vader. Owen has been active but I don't really see him doing anything impactful yet. Pie is the only one who hasn't posted so right now I am concerned about that. Vader has made an appearance so I will give him some time.
Does anyone else think these quotes come off as aggressive? Because I sure don't.
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@Mharman
Standard Operating Procedure. Y'know, those roles where it's standard to claim it immediately without being asked, like Miller and PGO.
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@ILikePie5
I don't agree with your scumread on Banana. I don't think she's been aggressive at all, and her supposed 'worry' about claiming DP1 was just this quote here:
Is this because I am new? Because I've had to claim in day phase 1 for the past three games in a row now. How long do new people have to do this for generally?
Frankly, I don't read that as scummy.
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@Mharman
Sure. I definitely understand your scum leaning on me. Tbh, even I realized that my question towards Moozer about his role came off as a bit scummy. As for this quote:
Finally, there’s been like a couple times where I’ve posted something and she’s popped online to respond pretty quick, then went offline. This last time, she didn’t respond, but I think she was anticipating me to post these reads a bit sooner.
I had only responded to you two times when you said that, and one of them was when you had tagged me directly. I'm generally pretty quick to respond to people as long as they tag me. I was pretty occupied throughout most of yesterday in general, which is why I was only able to get online for fairly brief stretches of time.
I will say that I am one of those town players who tends to get in a lot of people's scum pools. Mayday, Indian Politicians, Years, Middle School, Heroic Heroes -- all games where I was town and still ended up on many players' scum radar by the end of DP1. Idk why exactly, maybe it just has something to do with my playstyle.
As for my role, I'm fine with claiming if the town puts enough pressure on me. I'll say this for now: if I get mislynched today, I'm probably the best option. My role is overall net negative utility for the town, though not an SOP claim like Miller or PGO. If I get lucky with how I use it, it can help out the town, and I have a particular strategy for how I intend to use it.
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@Vader
I remember in a game that Lunatic had a good observation that Casey generally tends to ask more vague questions as scum to sort of blend in this game.
What game was that? I thought you were talking about Years mafia, since we were all in that one and I do remember Luna scumread me pretty hard DP2, but that was mainly due to NK analysis and reading me as being aggressive towards Moozer. Also, what question have I asked that has been vague?
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Alright, so Moozer - it's not so much the fact that he claims to have a confirmable role as the specific way he has been talking about it. It comes off as very genuine to me, especially after seeing his scum game where he was very awkward. And yes, role confirmation is not alignment confirmation, but Moozer just gives off very good vibes to me.
Wylted - When I first played with Wylted, I felt like he was kind of impossible to read, but now I've realized that he's actually pretty easy to read, at least when it comes to Mafia. My gutreads are often wrong, except when it comes to Wylted. I trust my gut 100% when it comes to him, and right now it is telling me he is definitely town. Plus, the whole thing about believing he had discovered the theme split feels real to me.
Owen - it's a bit tough to say given that he hasn't posted all that much yet, but what he has said so far gives me good vibes. Trying to get everyone to claim their album was a way to actually get the ball rolling, and I respect that. I know that in the last game, it felt like he was very reliant on his scum partners.
Banana - again, tough to say given that we haven't seen her as anything other than town yet, but everything she has posted so far seems to be perfectly in line with her style from previous games. Her reads also feel quite genuine to me.
As for Mharman, I remember him saying in a previous game (I can't remember which one) that his scum game was, in his opinion, actually even better than his town game. I haven't seen him as scum yet, but I have seen him as town, and he strikes me as a good town player, which makes me a bit nervous about him. So far, he has given me absolutely no reason to scumread him yet, but I also don't know how scum Mharman would act. Granted, the same applies to Banana, but if she is scum, then this is her first game and people tend to make mistakes and be at least a little bit sus in their first scum game. Mharman has experience.
WF is null for now. Ditto for Pie and Vader, neither of which have given me much to go off of yet.
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Stayed up late last night and crashed. I really wish I had worn ear plugs last night because my one ear is STILL ringing.
I'll expand on my reads in a bit, but for now, Moozer and Wylted are town, Owen and Banana lean town, everyone else is null for me.
I'll expand on my reads in a bit, but for now, Moozer and Wylted are town, Owen and Banana lean town, everyone else is null for me.
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@Moozer325
Okay, you're town in my book. The way I see it, you should probably confirm yourself now if you can.
Gonna be offline for a while, I'm at a bar to see a Halloween show. (Even though Halloween was technically two days ago)
Gonna be offline for a while, I'm at a bar to see a Halloween show. (Even though Halloween was technically two days ago)
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@Moozer325
Only asking because of the way you're referring to it. If it's something like King, you should definitely use it today. We don't need a repeat of BotW Mafia.
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@Moozer325
Is your role something that you use in the daytime? Is it a voting role?
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I don't like how low-activity Pie has been in comparison to every other game I've played with him.
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@Owen_T
Let's all say something like the album the song is from. Unless someone can think of something better.
Sure, sounds reasonable enough. My song comes from Inside.
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@Mharman
Post 25 was directed at you. My b for the lack of clarity
Dw, I figured you were answering me.
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@Mharman
I get the sense that someone is trying to blend in instead of getting the game going. You can all guess on who I’m thinking of.Discuss.
Are you talking about Pie or Wylted? I feel like this could apply to either of them rn.
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@WyIted
Sorry I haven't been active yet, I haven't been feeling great today. It doesn't look like I've missed much, however.
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How much familiarity do you have with Bo Burnham?
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I know that Bo Burnham is a musical comedian and that's about it tbh.
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@Earth
No credit for me correctly identifying the theme :(?
By that point, the game was pretty much already over. All Cerulean had to do was show up and claim his free win.
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