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@Moozer325
I get that, and I’m basically at the same place with scum reads, but I still don’t think waiting another DP would actually change anything. IMO it’s just better to lynch today, seeing as we won’t gain much info by waiting.
Yeah, fair enough. Who is at the top of your list, personally?
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@Moozer325
Well, to be honest with you, by this point in the game I usually have at least one person that I feel quite confidently is scum, but I don't really feel that way at this point. If I were to guess who the scum team is, I'd probably go with you and Earth, but even then I don't feel great about that behaviorally speaking. It's mostly just a PoE thing. Though, if I had to actually vote for someone today, I'd probably go with Earth tbh. It's mostly just a gut read, but I also really don't like how he claimed to have actually been role confirmed when he wasn't.
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@Earth
What I am saying is that the crystal ball might not do what Owen is saying.
I guess it's possible, though I still am not quite convinced.
In any case, I think a VTNL might be the right move today. We would have to make the right decision two days in a row, but at least we could glean some more information from whoever gets NK'ed. Thoughts?
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@Earth
I been too tired lately, but I don't know if Owen is telling the truth about his role.
But if he's lying, that would mean Banana is also lying about having received the crystal ball. Do you really think Owen and Banana are the scum team?
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@Earth
It's was just a short message of him saying Hi and that he's Lunatic.
Okay, so you knew he visited you before he said so. So you're not actually confirmed.
I'm sorry, it's not that I particularly scumread you right now, it's just that you're in my PoE and I feel like you should be in others' as well.
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@Earth
I outted the fact that he visited me before he said so.
Okay, and that means nothing given that he literally sent you a message, did he not? Am I missing something here? What message did he send you?
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Also, I don't understand why everyone has been saying that Earth is role confirmed? Lunatic literally sent him a message last night, of course he would know that he visited him.
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@Lunatic
It is just a wierd role I’ve never seen before and doesn’t really serve a purpose.
That's true, but given that it's so rare, I feel like it would more likely be in its normal version, which would make it a benign town role.
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Personally, I think that Luna is 99% likely to be town. He's a confirmed Messenger, and I can't see a mafia having a role like that. Maybe in a game with lots of players, but not in one with only two mafia players. I feel the same way about Owen's role tbh. Technically I suppose he and Banana could be the mafia team, except that I don't believe Pie would make them the team, and I've been townreading Banana so far. For me, that just leaves Earth and Moozer.
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@Lunatic
Sorcerer I can see having some mechanic where mafia can activate the ball and kill its holder though or something like that.
That's interesting I suppose, but I'm not really sure that makes a lot of sense for the mafia tbh. What's the point of doing that instead of just targeting someone for the NK directly?
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@Earth
I'm thinking Owen and Moozer.
While I understand that PoE, I'd like to hear your reasoning as to why you suspect them specifically.
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@Earth
We can confirm Banana if she is popular.
On a MYLO day? Popular tends to deactivate at MYLO. And even if it doesn't for her, Banana is low on my list.
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The thing that gives me pause is that there's no way Earth could have known for sure that no one other than Luna visited him if he was lying about his role. But if Moozer is lying, then we have no protective roles. It's weird all around.
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Okay, Pie did NOT notify me that this DP thread was up.
Anyway, Luna being the messenger makes sense of his and Whiteflame's interactions DP2. I'm thinking there has to be at least one scum between Earth and Moozer tbh.
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I'm kind of tired. It's been a bit of a long week for me already, but I'll give my abbreviated thoughts and maybe expand on them tomorrow.
I don't really know exactly what's going on between Whiteflame and Lunatic, but by tomorrow it should make more sense. At the very least, I highly doubt they're both scum since they're tying themselves together in such an obvious manner.
I still trust Banana for now. Owen, despite all the questionable stuff going on, is not my first choice for a lynch. As much as the reveal that the receiver of the crystal ball doesn't get notified until the following night is convenient for Owen, I think it does actually make sense for the role, and I somewhat doubt Owen would try to fakeclaim it.
For me, that leaves Moozer, JoeBob, and Earth. I am almost positive there is at least one scum among them. I think Moozer is probably the least likely to be scum among them simply because no one else has claimed any sort of protective role. It could well be that there is none in this game, but that would be unusual. That being said, it's still a real possibility.
JoeBob and Earth are the only ones who have claimed any roles that could be considered information roles, and only JoeBob's is actually investigative. I think the fact that JoeBob is alive despite Vader having claimed an investigative role is slightly suspicious, but it's always possible that scum chose Austin simply because they thought Vader would likely be protected. WIFOM and all that. Still, I felt pretty good about Vader's claim in DP1 and while I'm not super happy with JoeBob behaviorally speaking this DP, I actually lean slightly towards Earth for now. Call it a gut read.
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There’s a non-zero chance that she’s scum, I’ll admit. Her role is testable as Popular, but there’s also a chance she could be Popular and still be scum. Regardless, while I wouldn’t autolynch Owen in the absence of confirmation, I’d need to be convinced that Banana’s pulling a pretty convincing gambit here as a new player.
FWIW, Pie himself thinks that Popular is a scummy claim. Whether that means he'd likely make it a scum role, idk. That being said, I agree with you that Banana is still very unlikely to be scum.
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I think there's one scum between JoeBob and Earth. I have a hard time believing that there is absolutely no investigative role in this game, but both of their claims come off as a little sus.
Yeah, it is very, very strange that Self-Watcher is the closest thing to a claimed investigative role that we have. I don't have a great feeling about JoeBob, largely because he has been mostly absent this DP. Between him and Earth, I'm leaning towards him. Of course, it's not up to me.
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@Owen_T
Alright, so a couple questions:
- How exactly does your role work in this game? I've found a couple different descriptions for how the Enchantress works online, and one of them seems more likely given the circumstances, but I'd like to hear it from you.
- What, exactly, did Mamata Banerjee do that was allegedly so awful?
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@Lunatic
you know what, I just read austins description and his link to his role, makes absolutely 0 sense to me. So I am gonna give you a bit of a pass on that front. Though I do agree withwhiteflame its weird that we have a bunch of self visiting roles.
Meh, I don't think the head of a monastery being an Ascetic is that weird. I think Earth's claim is believable at the very least.
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@Earth
I am the Self-Watcher. I can only target myself and see who visited me. I was not visited.
Interesting. I remember there was a role in Villainous Villains that did the same thing, but Luna called it the 'Gramps' instead. What's your justification?
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@whiteflame
It's a little weird that Casey considered thinking that the prime minister themselves is a member of Lok Sabha a softclaim, but I'll chalk that up to my own lack of knowledge about how the prime minister and houses of parliament interact in India.
Yeah, maybe I wasn't being as obvious as I thought, but basically, despite being primarily known as the prime minister of India, Modi is still technically a member of the Lok Sabha. That's what I was trying to hint at.
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@Lunatic
I've always understood Motion Detector to work the way Whiteflame describes it. Essentially, if Moozer performs an action on someone, it should give the same result as someone else performing an action on him.
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@Earth
Interesting... Why did you pick Banana?
Basically, she was one of the only players I had a strong townread on (along with Owen). Plus, she's a new player and I wanted to help get her involved in the game in a fun way.
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Alright, I'm working late tonight, so I won't be able to say much until tomorrow. For now, I will full claim. I am Narendra Modi, and I am a 1x Kingmaker. I am the one who crowned Banana.
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@AustinL0926
I dunno, personally I don't really have a scum leaning on anyone right now, as I said earlier. Lynching someone now would just feel like picking someone at random, and I just don't think it's that great of an idea.
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@whiteflame
If we have to no lynch, I’d prefer that to just killing off someone random or Vader specifically. Moozer rubs me the wrong way, but it’s more of a feeling at this point and I’d almost prefer to just see what happens during the NP and give town the best chance of having the most actions.
Yeah, I feel largely the same way personally. I think Vader's claim is believable and I don't have a strong scum leaning on anyone else. Lynching someone at random just seems like a really bad idea to me, so no-lynching seems like the best idea for now.
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@Vader
Gonna reread the post tonight, but just off skimmin Owen is my biggest red flag off his claim alone being the only anti - BJP
That might be worth something for other mods, but I highly doubt Pie would make the theme split BJP + coalition versus opposing coalition. I know he's made three games before based on US politics, and none of them had the theme split Republicans vs. Democrats. That would just be too simple and easy.
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@Moozer325
For what it’s worth, I have don’t this stuff before. I confused DP3 and DP4 in Upick mafia.
Yeah, I remember that, and Wylted pounced on you for it. I also did of course, but tbf I was mafia in that game.
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@whiteflame
@Moozer325
You said your character was in the BJP and Rayja Shaba. Everything I’m reading says he was in Rayja Shaba for two consecutive terms, but just this year got elected to Lok Sahba. Mind explaining what’s going on here? Did you misread your PM or did Pie not update his information?
Good catch, I didn't bother checking that.
He just finished his term in the upper house, so because of that my PM was mostly about what he did then. He’s only been in the Lok Shaba for a few months, so he’s still most well known for being in the Rayja Shaba.
I can buy that tbh.
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VTL Vader for pressure if/when he gets online today.
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@ILikePie5
At this point, I feel like if we're going to lynch somebody, it should be Vader if he doesn't get on soon. No one else really seems scummy to me personally.
Pie, can we have a vote count?
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@Moozer325
I’m Mansukh Mandaviya.
Alright, not a very well-known politician, though in this case I don't think that's necessarily very sus.
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@Earth
I don't mind asking either of Moozer or Lunatic for their claims. At this point, I think Town doesn't have the luxury of some scummy player they can pressure.
I feel the same. I don't think anyone in particular stands out as scummy right now. Nonetheless, I think we should try and get a full claim from someone before the DP ends. I don't scum read Moozer, but I don't town read him either, so I think going after him makes as much sense as any of my other null reads. Worst comes to worst, we just lynch Vader for inactivity.
VTL Moozer
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@whiteflame
@AustinL0926
Personally, I'm a little less convinced that Earth's claim means he is likely town. The theme here is just 'Indian Politicians', not members of the Indian Parliament. That being said, I don't see any particular reason to scumread him. Earth is more of a null read for me.
As for my character, I'll claim if I get to L-2, but for now I'll say that I feel like I softed my character pretty heavily in #38
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@whiteflame
Given that Owen claimed a ministerial role, I've added that my character is a minister, though I'll still leave out his political party for the time being as well as the location that he ministers. For what it's worth, I townread Owen for his claim.
You mixed up Earth and Owen -- Earth was the one who clamed to be a minister, not Owen. That being said, I do actually townread Owen for his claim, for a couple reasons. First, he used the acronym TMC, when AITC (All India Trinamool Congress) is the more common one and the one used on Wikipedia. I would have to assume that only someone who is more familiar with Indian politics (like Pie, presumably) would use TMC.
For another, Wikipedia says that TMC's ideology is based on "Bengali nationalism, Regionalism, Populism, Welfarism, Progressivism, Social liberalism, and Secularism". Owen was worried about how his character was apparently painted as being a very bad person, and given that Pie is a big fan of right-wing politics (obviously), it makes sense that his role PM would likely speak negatively about his character. Granted, Owen could just be faking that part, but even still, he claimed that his character would seem scummy pretty much immediately, and I feel like scum Owen probably wouldn't do that, so I'm inclined to believe he's likely town.
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Bones's abortion debate with Whiteflame was excellent on both sides.
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@Owen_T
I am from the TMC
Oh wait, is that the Trinamool Congress? That would make sense.
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@Earth
At any rate, I'll just out my character. I'm Bhupendrabhai Patel.
I'm curious why you felt the need to suddenly out your own character like that. It's not like anyone was really pressuring you to do so. Nonetheless, it would explain why you weren't sure whether he belonged to the Lok Sabha or the Rajya Sabha -- he belongs to neither. From what I just read on Wikipedia, he's the minister of Gujarat, which I think can roughly be compared to the role of a governor in the US.
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@Owen_T
I am from the TMC
What party is that? I can't find it on Wikipedia
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@AustinL0926
There's just a huge tonal difference here.
Well, you're not wrong, but tbh I've just been a bit busy these past couple days. I was less busy at the start of the last mafia game and felt like starting the game off in a more playful manner.
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@iamanabanana
And the Lok Sahba election was also mentioned in my message from the moderator, but idk what any of that means
The Lok Sabha is the lower house of the Indian Parliament, while the Rajya Sabha is the upper house. It's like how the US Congress is split into the Senate and the House of Representatives, with the House being the lower body.
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@Owen_T
My character is scummy in the way that they're described as a horrible person.
From what I've seen of Pie's politics-based games in the past, he's pretty clear about how he feels about each person he includes, but that doesn't necessarily correlate with whether they're mafia or town. For this game, don't worry about having a 'bad' character.
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@Earth
Are you a member of the Lok Sabha (lower house), Rayja Sabha (upper house), or neither?
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@whiteflame
@iamanabanana
Alright, I figured that at least one or two characters would be something like a cabinet member (or whatever the equivalent is in India, I have no idea).
Banana, how about you?
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@whiteflame
Going to have to push back on this a bit. Some parties are bound to be smaller and sport only one or two central politicians. From what I've seen, that's less of an issue for BJP than most, since its presence in the government is significantly outsized compared with the rest, and it might not be a problem for INC either, but at least in my case, claiming my party will likely give away my character.
Well, fair enough. In that case, how about we all say whether our characters are a member of BJP, INC, or neither, and whether they are a member of the Lok Sabha, Rayja Sabha, or neither. I am a member of the Lok Sabha, technically speaking (I think).
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Alright, so here's an idea to get things moving: how about we all say what party our characters belong to? I feel like that might be a decent way to start. I'll go first. My politician is a member of BJP.
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Hey everyone, glad to see this site alive despite everything. I know little about Indian politics, so I'm gonna have to do some research for this one. I think it ought to be interesting though.
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