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@Vader
He was one of the main proponents of lynching Wylted, who ended up flipping town. That's an easy mislynch for mafia and he was the spearhead of that lynch.
I genuinely don't know why I am being sussed so hard for wanting Wylted to be lynched. It's usually beneficial for the town to lynch someone DP1, and it seemed like there was a really decent chance that he was scum, and he was clearly deadweight anyway. Also, I only jumped on your wagon to put you at L-2 to help pressure you into claiming as soon as you logged on. I wasn't going to lynch you before you claimed.
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@Lunatic
Oh, and the reason I wanted your fullclaim was basically just because of what WF brought up DP1 -- you had been online, but not said anything, which I found to be very sus. I backed down after considering what Pie said about having too many roles revealed DP1, which I found to be reasonable.
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@Lunatic
but she also was super aggressive this day phase with moozer's lack of using the night action. I think we can all agree that not using moozers night action was dumb, but moozer is a pretty inexperienced player, and it seems a bit oppertunistic of her to jump on this, only to fall back after recieving a little bit of back lash from whiteflame.
Alright, if you're going to sus me, that's fine, but I need to make this point clear: I wasn't trying to push Moozer. Yesterday, I was just frustrated due to how slowly this game has been moving, how inactive several players had been, plus I was working a long shift after not getting much sleep and I just haven't been feeling well this week in general. To be honest, when I saw Moozer say that he hadn't even used his role last night, I got kind of pissed. My responses to Moozer were calling out the bad reasoning behind him not using his role, yes, but it's not because I thought he was lying, but because I wanted him to understand why he should have used his ability instead of trying to save it for later. Whiteflame was pretty much doing the same thing as me, just in a slightly less confrontational tone. Maybe I was a little hard on Moozer, and you can criticize me for that if you like, but I wasn't trying to set him up for a lynch. Moozer is honestly my top town read right now despite everything.
I will say this, though, I townread you as well, mainly for this line:
I will say his role was literally just used in my last game, which is interesting, but doesn't mean earth didn't take inspiration from that game and copy it here.
I consider this to be a town tell, as it misunderstands Vader's role. Vader described himself as an 'Elite Bodyguard', which not only protects their target (as a normal Bodyguard does) but also kills the attacker. JoeBob's role in your game doesn't stop the NK, but does kill the killer. They're different -- Vader's role is intended to target the probable victim, while JoeBob's is intended to target the probable killer. I think I can see how you would misunderstand the situation, though, which is why I think that was an honest mistake.
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@Lunatic
You know what? I don’t want to dismiss joebob here either. Now that I think about it Vader kind of counter claims him since he has the potential to kill a mafia player by guarding correctly. Would earth put two killing roles in like that?
Actually, I did notice that last night as well. I don't think it's unthinkable that both roles are in the game, but I do find it very questionable. (I'm more or less responding to posts as I read them atm, I'll make a larger post in a bit.)
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@whiteflame
...oh yeah, his date is wrong. I looked up the Hagia Sofia. Construction began in 532 AD. Construction ended in 537 AD. Don't think anyone else has the wrong year for their event claim, but hey, could be wrong.
Actually, I was going to bring that up as well. I think that's actually rather telling, as I doubt Earth himself would have gotten that wrong while setting up this game.
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I'm pretty exhausted after today. For now, I'll just say that, while I am a bit frustrated with his decision to not use his ability, I doubt Moozer is actually scum.
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@Vader
I only see 1 claimed
I was referring to Moozer and Pie. Pie died before he could give us any results, so his informational role ended up not helping us out (not that it was his fault).
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Work is (thankfully) just about over for me. I'll Unvote for now.
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@Vader
Anyway, I'll jump on the Vader wagon as well. May as well.
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@Vader
Anyway, I'll jump on the Vader wagon as well. May as well.
VTL Vader
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@Moozer325
Well Pie didn't really give me a lot to go on for scum or town, and Joebob was in that CC pool right?
It wasn't a 'CC pool'. The theme is years in which something significant happened in the Roman Empire. Of course we'd have several years in the first century. That's when the empire was at its greatest and largest. JoeBob had claimed a confirmable role, so he should have been viewed as likely town.
But even putting that aside, your role doesn't just give us a small hint, it gives the town guidance on who we should pay attention to and which scum teams are likely/unlikely. Information is so key in this game. We've already lost one informational role, and we might lose you as well, and if we do lose you tonight, we will have gotten NOTHING out of either of our two informational roles (three if you count Wylted).
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@Moozer325
I didn’t see anyone who met that description I enough for me.
Really, not even JoeBob or Pie? They were both very heavily town leaning.
Moozer, you should pretty much always use an informational role if you can. If you die tonight, it will go to complete waste.
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Considering everything else about his claim, I can't say I sus him. I also expected him not to use it. I think whoever is scum made a mistake not targeting him, though.
Yeah, fair point. I guess I was just thinking mainly about how I would have used his role -- I would have shot Vader last night. Also, I realized after posting that that JoeBob is really bad at fakeclaiming.
I think you are onto something with your read on scum psychology -- I'd bet that scum also thought that Pie was 44 BC and that any protective roles would likely be on either Moozer or JoeBob. Not sure what to do with that conclusion for now, but I think it's good to keep in mind.
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Also, I expected Pie to be 44 BC (when Caesar was assassinated). Crossing the Rubicon makes sense, though.
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I'm busy at work right now (working another 12 hour shift, kill me now), but I'll post more when I get on break. For now, I sus JoeBob a bit for not using his vig and sussing Moozer, who seems pretty town to me.
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Wait a minute, Moozer was on less than an hour ago and said nothing. What's up with that? Moozer, what gives?
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@Moozer325
Just realized you've been absent for a while. Any chance you'll show up just in the nick of time?
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@Lunatic
@JoeBob
One hour remaining. Last chance to avoid a no-lynch.
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@Vader
Vader, hear my call. Come to life and vote for Wylted.
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@Owen_T
If not Wylted, then who? It's usually advantageous to the town to lynch DP1 for the information it gives. If Wylted is town, he's dead weight.
Also, the argument about him being more active as mafia only makes sense if he actually got on to read his role PM. Apparently, he hasn't even been on DART since before the game even started.
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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
@JoeBob
Nope
Alright then, guess we'll have to keep the possibility of fake claims in mind, though given the theme, I personally think it's MUCH more likely that the mafia would have been told or given a hint about the theme split.
JoeBob, Luna, we're at less than three hours until the DP ends and Wylted hasn't even shown up at all. Care to hammer?
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@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
First, Earth didn't respond to Pie's question about the existence of a fake claim in the game, which could account for all that.
Point taken, though that does bring up a question for me -- Pie, did Earth respond to you over PM or not at all?
All this being said, you're not the person I'm chiefly sussing atm and I'm still thinking on your claim. I'd say Vader's more sus than you right now.
Yeah, fair enough. I'd sus me a little bit as well if I were you.
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@ILikePie5
Is that what it says in your PM?
Roughly, yes, though I paraphrased it a little of course. It's true though, the Roman Empire would never become larger than it was at the time of Trajan's death.
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@ILikePie5
Why Trajan specifically? Could have been any one. Julius Caesar, Augustus Caesar make the most sense. It’s odd that it was specifically Trajan.
Trajan saw the Roman Empire at its greatest territorial extent.
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@whiteflame
That being said, looking through the claims made to date, the ones that stand out as odd are Casey’s and Vader’s. I’ve found a possible event for the latter, but it’s notable that it’s much less well known than other claims already on the table.
I think I have the same event in mind, and my thoughts are similar regarding Vader's claim. I understand sussing me for mine, though I would like to say in my defense that I was the first to soft claim, first to full claim, and first to actually mention the Roman Empire.
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@ILikePie5
I’d just go ahead and say it in case you die.
I think it's at least possible that the theme split is between events that happened after the fall of the Western Roman Empire and ones that happened before it + the year 476 itself. That would make Vader and Whiteflame the scum team.
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@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
If we get a claim from him we might as well just mass claim, which idt we should be doing
Fair enough
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there’s always the possibility that the theme split places some Roman events against others
That's true, and I already had an idea for such a theme split in mind before Pie shared his. I'll wait until Wylted claims or flips to say what it is, though.
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@Lunatic
Alright, that year is one that is pretty likely to be in the game. Makes me less sus of Luna for now, though he could have seen that no one else was that year and went for it. The only one who could cc him at this point is Wylted. I'd still like to see a role claim from Luna personally.
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@JoeBob
Luna is at L-1 right now. If you want to wait to see if he turns up, that's fine, but if he doesn't, we should honestly just lynch him imo.
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@Owen_T
I don't think Wylted has been active at all yet
Wylted hasn't even been online the past two days. Luna has been, yet has only made one fluff post so far. That's more suspicious imo.
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@Lunatic
Given the circumstances, I'd be okay with lynching Luna if he doesn't get on very soon.
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27 is a believable year. I'll keep my vote on Wylted for now but I also want to pressure Luna to claim immediately as soon as he logs on.
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Whoops, meant to say that both of the two scum are among the three that haven't claimed yet. I seriously doubt Earth would put three scum in a nine-player game given that two is the standard.
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@whiteflame
Also, I suspect the theme split is somewhat obvious at this point.
Yeah, I didn't want to say at first in case the scum team hadn't figured it out, but at this point, I think anyone can guess. It does make me lean town on everyone who claimed early. In fact, I think there's a really decent chance that all three scum are among those who haven't claimed anything yet.
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@WyIted
Interesting! I think I see what's going on here, though I won't give it away. In the meantime, Wylted, get in here. I'm not gonna let you just skip DP1 like you did in my game.
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@Owen_T
BTW Owen, since you've showed up, claim what decade you're from, please.
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@Moozer325
What’s your justification for vanilla?
I don't really have one. My PM basically just said 'Despite what happened and who was born, you are merely a Vanilla.'
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@JoeBob
@Moozer325
Earth didn’t give my role a name, but I can compare the alignment of two players once per game. For example, Earth would tell me that they have the same or different alignments.
Interesting. I included that role in Ace Attorney Mafia. JoeBob, you're next.
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@JoeBob
@Moozer325
Fair enough. I am the year 53, the year the Roman emperor Trajan was born. I am a Vanilla. Moozer and JoeBob, what are you two?
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@Moozer325
You have got to be kidding me. That’s three years within 30 years of each other.
No, I agree, that's very strange. Help us push JoeBob for a full claim.
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@JoeBob
Yeah, sure. Not generally into pushing random people for claims, but we're making no progress here.
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@Moozer325
Well the chances of Earth making two years that are only 30 years apart max are seem pretty slim to me.
Fair enough, that does strike me as odd as well. On the other hand, you claimed your century very early. If you were scum, you could have claimed literally anything else. This makes me lean town on you for now.
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@Moozer325
For a second there I thought this whole DP was going to be over real quick.
Did you really think I was going to claim the exact same year as you?
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@Moozer325
Alright, I'm in the 50-59 range. Also, my vote for you at the beginning was just a humorous RVS.
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@Moozer325
I'll say I'm in between 50-80 AD.
Interesting, I am also in that exact range. What decade are you from?
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@whiteflame
though I’m not even sure there’s a theme split.
There is a theme split according to the signups page.
I am looking for 9 players and there will be a theme spilt.
That being said, I don't think theme split analysis will be very helpful to the town here.
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