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Okay, so Wylted leans town due to his role, but given that it deactivates at MYLO/LYLO, I don't think it's unthinkable that it could go to scum, so I'm not going to treat Wylted as confirmed town yet. As far as the 1x vig goes, I'll defer to the experienced players on whether we should use it or not. If we are going to lynch somebody, I'd like to lynch Savant, but I'm not going to vote yet.
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@WyIted
Wait, to be clear, does your unlynchable status deactivate at MYLO/LYLO or is it always active? Because that changes the analysis a bit for me.
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Okay, so Wylted is obviously confirmed as unlynchable. Presumably that ability deactivates at MYLO and LYLO. I'd say that on balance, that role is more likely to go to the town, so Wylted leans town for me now. That being said, we still don't have an actual affiliation confirmation yet. Let's not treat role confirmations as affiliation confirmations unless there's no good reason to believe scum would have a certain role. (If someone was the King, for instance, I think it would be safe to assume they're town because that role would just be too powerful in the hands of scum.)
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@WyIted
Oh yeah, one thing before I vote Wylted to test the unlynchable claim -- if a majority vote for him, that won't end the day without a lynch, will it? It probably won't since everyone seems okay with it, but I figured I ask.
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Okay, here's my thoughts so far:
Savant - I lean scum on him for reasons that I've already explained. Particularly, the way he seemed pretty insistent at first that the vigilante power either go to him or no one seems fairly scummy to me.
Moozer - I townread him for reasons I've already explained.
Pie - It's hard for me to say for certain as I haven't seen him as scum yet to compare his behavior, but he comes off as very town to me so far. His push against Savant seems to come from a genuine place of not wanting the town to rely on supposedly confirmable roles that aren't really confirmable.
Lunatic - Hard to say since he hasn't posted much yet, but his posts do give me a town vibe. (Just a gut feeling)
Barney - Behaviorally a null read for me, but his ability is one that I have a hard time imagining scum having, so he leans town for me.
Wylted - I have no idea how to read Wylted.
JoeBob - He's mostly just been fluffposting this DP, but he's done that in pretty much every game I've played with him so far, so I can't really make anything of that. Null read for now.
Earth - Hard to say based on what he's posted so far. I'll put him in null for the time being.
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@ILikePie5
Keep in mind tho that Moozer could have a scum partner that’s helping him, or his role as scum truly works that way, just isn’t scummy like Scum Watcher or something.
That's a good point, but like I said it's also one half gut feeling for me. Usually we don't have a whole lot to go off of DP1 anyway, so all of my reads are subject to change.
Logging off for the night, see y'all tomorrow.
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@ILikePie5
Glad you see the light. But, why is Moozer town to you.
It's one half gut feeling and one half the weird, complex way he described how his role works. Basically, he said there's two different paths it could take and one of them can confirm him as town, but not until DP3. It's the kind of weird thing that I can definitely see being in a highly customized game but that I don't think a mafia likely would have pulled out of thin air.
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Okay, I looked back through the thread and this whole altercation started when Pie accused Savant of claiming a scummy role and doing scummy behavior by stealing Earth's vote despite not suspecting him. I don't necessarily scumread Savant for assuming that being confirmed as the vote thief would put him in the clear, but I do think the fact that he suggested not giving the vig power to anyone at all, combined with him stealing Earth's vote, makes him tilt a bit scum. I'd be fine with doing a VTNL, but I actually think Savant has a point in bringing up the fact that the mafia could potentially roleblock/redirect the vigilante kill and then everything will have been a waste. I also don't want us to waste the vig though. For now, I'm not going to vote, but I do think we still should lynch somebody and find somebody to give the 'shirt' to. Moozer and Pie are my top townreads right now, but Savant obviously won't agree on giving it to pie, so maybe we give it to Moozer.
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I'll be honest, I went along with Savant because I'm still not used to the plethora of roles used in Mafia and I assumed that vote thief/Robin Hood would be a town role. And while I do believe Savant that it is usually, in a game with a lot of custom roles like this one, I don't think we can assume that's the case. I also don't want us to make the mistake of relying too much on 'confirmable' roles. So for now, I'm going to
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@Savant
Interesting ability
Wait until L-1 and let me hammer.
Cool, but just so we're clear, what do you mean by L-1?
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Does Wylted always vote for people DP1 on little to no rational basis? Because I've played two games with him so far and this shit is already getting annoying.
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Anyway, since everyone has stated their actual characters now, if anyone has a clearly negative utility role, they should claim it now. Austin says a lot of the roles are custom-made, so there might not be anything as simple as Miller or PGO, but still, if there are any roles like that out there, now is the right time to claim.
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@Earth
You guys are so fucking boring for picking people for characters, my god.
Hey, I picked a 1929 surrealist short silent film for my pick! Give me a little bit of credit here!
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@ILikePie5
I will neither confirm or deny
I'll take that as a yes. I have to say, it's a pretty... uncreative choice. Though, I can't say I'm really that much better. My choice also comes from my pfp. I'm Un Chien Andalou.
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Okay, looks like things have been pretty slow going so far, which makes sense I guess since the thread was created only later in the day. I'm not going to be on much for right now, due to being at work, but also due to having a toothache and generally feeling crappy because of it.
Should we have everyone claim the character/thing they chose? I don't see a good reason why not.
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Another thread started while I'm busy at work. At least not too much has happened yet. I'll catch up later when I'm on break.
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@Lunatic
Also would be cool to see some new mods posting sign ups as wellMaybe joebob, Casey, savant could try it out
I'd like to play one or two more games before starting my own, but that's definitely something I'd be interested in. I have an idea or two that might work. Has Ace Attorney Mafia been done yet?
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That was my first win on this site and it felt too easy. Oh well, a win is a win I guess. I hope the next game will be a little better.
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@JoeBob
didn’t see it
Savant started a discussion about how he found it unlikely that US Governors, US House of Reps, and US Senators would all be in this game, and you didn't see it?
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@JoeBob
If your role is from US Governors, why didn't you call out Austin for fakeclaiming? He claimed to be from that game.
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@Lunatic
Savant is saying that JoeBob claimed 13RW, which he did. However, he must have been lying, because Austin was from 13RW.
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@Savant
Is that what was discussed last night after I left? I kinda just skimmed through some of the messages. I guess that makes sense. With one mafia out so early, we can afford a mislynch.
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Okay, I don't know if this is the right move or not, and I'm not happy about it either way, but time is running out and I have to make my decision.
VTL Austin
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If Austin was really scum, I think it would have been pretty dumb of him to claim so late and cause chaos when it seemed likely that we were going to lynch either Earth or JoeBob. Then again, he really seems to think Savant would have investigated him. So idk how to feel right now.
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I still want to lynch Earth tbh, but I don't know if that's even going to happen now.
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Folks, I'm not going to be able to play for much longer. We have to come to a consensus fast.
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@Savant
How do you guys feel about Austin's late miller claim?
I'm not sure how to feel about that. It's a bit surprising that he didn't claim that earlier, but maybe not that surprising considering how multiple people wanted to lynch him. Still, I have to wonder why he waited until now.
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We need to work towards a conclusion, and right now the scales seem to be tipping in favor of lynching Earth. I don't love it, but I think it's probably our best option for now.
VTL Earth
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I don't have a strong leaning towards either Earth or JoeBob, but I'd rather lynch Earth just because if JoeBob is telling the truth about his role, it's a very helpful one for the town.
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Whoever we decide to lynch, we need to come to a consensus soon. Today is the last day for this DP.
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477 by joe feels very towny. I feel like if he was scum he would have just lurked and asked his partner for some better reads. this seems to be a genuinely confused townie.
Agreed, if we are to lynch someone between JoeBob and Earth, I think I'd rather lynch Earth.
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I'm going to visit my family, so I'm going to be off for most of the rest of today. For now, I'll say I have a slight town leaning on JoeBob for his role claim. Moozer is still at the top of my lynch list, but I'll wait to vote for him if that's what everyone else wants.
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@ILikePie5
Sorry everyone, I slept in pretty late. Some thoughts:
- Still don't want to vote for Austin at this stage. The whole beef between him, Savant, and Wylted started with Austin voting Savant just to get a reaction, Savant got upset and it all spiraled from there, but I don't think any of the evidence brought up against Austin was very compelling. I'm not familiar enough with anyone to do meta-reads yet, but for now I'll just say Austin leans town for me.
- I feel the same way about Moozer as I did yesterday. His progression from "Austin is town" to "Austin is probably scum, let's lynch him" just feels so unnatural to me. The fact that he felt the need to defensively say "I'm not bandwagoning" just makes me more convinced that he's doing exactly that.
- Savant's behavior is a bit off-putting, but given his Cop claim, he's town in my book for now, unless something happens later to make me change my mind. The last game had two investigative roles but no Cop, so it could be a false claim, though given how no one else but me had claimed any specific role, that's highly unlikely. It would be a really ballsy claim on Savant's part.
- Wylted's behavior is hard for me to read. He's got that trollish side to his personality like Best.Korea. That said, I feel like his relentless pursuit of Austin was more likely indicative of tunneling than being scum.
- Behaviorally speaking, I townread Luna. It's mostly just a gut feeling, but there's also the point that WF brought up -- he probably wouldn't be defending Austin this hard unless they were scum partners, and I very much doubt that at this point.
- Speaking of Whiteflame, he's hard for me to read since he's such an experienced player, but I do get a slight townread off of him. It's partly due to his resistance to joining the anti-Austin wagon, and partly just a gut feeling.
- Null read on everyone else I haven't mentioned so far.
Pie, can we get a tally of the votes so far?
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...Yeah, I'm home now, but I'm too tired to properly process all this. I'll post my reads in the morning.
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There's a lot going on here. I have had an exhausting week at work and my mind is not at full capacity. I'll reread the DP either when I get home or tomorrow morning. For now, I'm not convinced about voting for Austin. I actually think Moozer is a better target, for largely the same reasons as Whiteflame: his progression from saying that Austin is townsided to voting to lynch him feels very unnatural to me and seems a lot more like scum bandwagoning. I'm not going to vote yet, though. Like I said, I want to reread everything first.
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@Moozer325
I largely agree with Moozer's thoughts, with the one caveat that I'm not going to lynch Savant this DP unless their cop claim gets cc'ed. For now, most players are a null read for me.
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I understand where Austin is coming from when he says that Savant always seems a little bit scummy. That said, claiming to be the cop is a very bold move, so he's off my radar for now.
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@WyIted
Also I guess I should let you know that I believe in pretty much always having a vote on somebody unless we are at LYLO or MYLO or unless I am keeping the vote off to delay a lynch in an effort to reduce town errors
Yeah, from what I've gathered so far it seems like the players here in general like to go for the DP1 lynch. This is counter to my intuitions, as unless someone is particularly sus or there's a strong reason for lynching someone, you're a lot more likely to end up killing a townie. But the wisdom of the experienced says to go for the kill anyway. I don't quite understand why, but I'll go along with it. I'm still not convinced we should vote for Savant yet. If it comes down to the wire, maybe, but I feel like we should wait until at least a couple more role claims come out. Has anyone even claimed their role except for me?
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@WyIted
As a general rule I don't give a shit if I am lynched unless I am scum. Scums job is to avoid lunches, town's job is to eliminate scum.The symbol tells me your pronouns are she/her though so thanks for that
I understand that. For me the thing that made me sus you a bit is not that you scumread Savant, but that you actually jumped to voting for him before there was any further discussion. Yes, obviously we want to lynch scum, and that's why we should take our time and not rush things. Scum benefit when there is little discussion before a vote.
And as for the emoji I used, it's actually supposed to be a gender-neutral one, but it doesn't actually display like that on all platforms. It shows up correctly on my phone but not on my pc. I actually prefer they/them, but if you want to use she/her that's fine too I guess.
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@AustinL0926
@WyIted
Give stronger evidence for somebody else. We might only have weak evidence all game for all we know.
I mean, we could lynch you for rushing to vtl someone on weak grounds. Seems pretty scummy to me. 🤷
You have to weigh whether the benefit town gets from knowing the SOP is greater than this. I don't really think that's the case with this particular role, since if town is really so divided that we can't agree to a lynch after an entire day of discussion, then it's better to have a negative utility role eliminated for POE.
Yeah, I guess that's a good point. I wasn't really sure if I should have put that out there or not, but there had been no movement in the thread and I wanted to further some actual discussion.
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Agreed with Austin. I think the rationale for voting for Savant at this point is pretty weak.
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Alright. Anyway, since I view it as a negative utility role, I'm just going to come out and say that I'm the scapegoat. If there's a tie in voting at the end of a day where we vtnl, I get lynched.
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@Earth
Do the mafia usually get to directly ask the mod what roles are in the game?
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