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@Mikal
Alright, I wasn't very familiar with Clementine Ford so I looked her up. Turns out, there's two Clementine Fords who have Wikipedia articles, and they both seem like they could be in the game. I presume you are this one? I can see her being Hated. Makes more sense than the other Ford at least.
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@Mikal
I didn’t ask. Is that typical
It's standard on this site for Hated to deactivate at MYLO/LYLO. Best to ask to be sure.
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@AdaptableRatman
Did scum get fakeclaims? We assume yes always on this website, I learned that is the default.
Doesn't say in the OP, I don't think Savant ever said in the signups page. Pie did help with the setup tho, so he may have advised doing the whole "ask about two roles/characters" thing. That's what he did for me. Without mod confirmation however, it's anybody's guess.
If they did that is not a good plan. Also 1st vs 2nd wave has more to do with era than approach.
It still locks character claims in early to an extent. Also, true, but not really the point. Splits aren't always just 'good' vs 'bad'. More often than not, they're something else entirely. In any case, I think 1st vs 2nd wave makes a lot of sense as a theme split.
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@Mikal
SOP , im hated and need to die
Character/justification? Also, does your role deactivate at MYLO/LYLO?
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I'm curious about everyone's thoughts about the theme split. My first thought was different waves of feminism (1st wave vs 2nd wave most likely). My second thought was that it might be a little more in depth and have to do with the feminist sex wars (yes, really, that's what it's called). So, something like sex-positive vs more sex-critical feminists. If it's the latter, Dworkin is a surefire inclusion on the scum team. Of course, it could just also be something extremely basic like feminists vs anti-feminists, in which case the mafia team probably has Paul Elam. Side note, does anyone else find it funny that the guy behind A Voice for Men has a last name which is 'male' spelled backwards? Because personally, I find that hilarious. Literally an Ace Attorney name in real life. That man was born for that role!
Anyway, it might be a prudent idea to have everyone claim their wave and what side of the sex wars they are on.
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You spend enough time here and you can tell who made a topic from the title alone.
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@AdaptableRatman
Oh, please. Don't act like you understand my ethos from this one interaction about a fucking profile photo. You know nothing about me.
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@AdaptableRatman
If the mods tell me to change it, I'll change it. Otherwise, I'm leaving it.
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@WyIted
Idk what you're talking about, I literally don't see anyone in that image.
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@AdaptableRatman
It's actually from Un Chien Andalou. It's also probably worse than what you're thinking of tbh, lol
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@AdaptableRatman
You're probably the first person to recognize it, actually.
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@Barney
@That2User
@AustinL0926
@iamanabanana
Interested?
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I was going to take a break from mafia for real this time, but since it's your first game, I'll /in.
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I don't really have much to add that hasn't already been said. That game didn't go so well for us. My claim wasn't very good, but we also just got plain unlucky. Oh, well.
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@Savant
However, I think we should wait on rebranding to the new name and focus more on advertising and adding features. debateart.com is fine for now.
I agree with this. I don't see any particular reason why rebranding should include a new name just yet.
As for making a prohibition on slurs more clearly stated, I agree with this idea. I think a line can and should be drawn, however, between hateful usage and general discussion about hateful language, including slurs. Like, I wouldn't want someone to be banned for engaging in the type of discussion found in this video for instance.
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I don't know why I went for that role claim and then explained it in that way. I literally had other potential claims for the same character lined up. Oh well, it's actually kind of a relief to be dead now. I barely have time for this game. Also, LOL at AR hard townreading me. Good luck to my scum buddy!
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My shift is just about to start. All I'll say for now is that I have no reason to doubt Luna's claim. I'm fine with being the lynch today. My role was never going to work after I claimed anyway. FMPOV, however, I still have every reason to sus Mikal. Other scum is Ultra or WF.
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Alright, I'm here and I'm caught up.
The drama about Earth refraining from answering questions is kind of dumb imo. I personally would have modkilled Mikal for verbatim posting a mod PM like that, complete with timestamp, but mod communications don't typically trigger the no copy-pasting role on this site for whatever reason. It's not my game anyway, so whatever.
As for me, I still do trust Wylted, but I don't know exactly how to mount a defense of myself without knowing exactly why it is that he scumreads me. Like, I do believe him when he says he got investigative results, but I feel like it's also worth pointing out that scum often have roles that directly interfere with investigative roles. I have to assume something like that happened if the evidence really is that 'damning'.
Regarding Martyr vs Virgin - Earth called my role Martyr, that's all I can say. I think it makes sense in flavor. My role PM doesn't say that my character dies, it just talks about the prophecy.
I understand the sus on me given that I am in PoE and in AR's dream. I just wish Wylted would be more forthcoming with info here.
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@ILikePie5
So you’re like a Beloved Princess? But only the night part and not the day part?
Sort of, but I only passively block the NK. The night itself doesn't get skipped.
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@ILikePie5
Okay great, so you can use your ability tonight and take one for the team while helping POE. That leaves Mikal vs RM. You sacrifice yourself for a mass roleblock right?
Not quite, I have a variant version. If I am the NK, killing actions are automatically blocked on the following night.
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@ILikePie5
You have been implicated in a Dream. Full claim please
Very well. I am Serana, an ancient vampire. Basically, there was an ancient prophecy that vampires could lose their weakness to the sun, but I would have to sacrificed first for it to occur. Therefore, I am the Martyr.
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Alright, so a couple things to note. First of all no NK! Always good to see.
Second, AR's dream. I don't buy Wylted being scum for a minute, mostly for very obvious reasons. So that means either Mikal or AR is scum. (I guess they tech could be a team and this is a bus, but I don't really buy that, either at this point). Now, I suppose Ratman could be scum and he just came on super strong, super early, obviously buddying me and claiming Dreamer early, and relying on WIFOM and his own audacity to carry him. I just don't think he did, however. I feel like I have to go with Mikal here.
If you really did get scum for the third game in a row after coming back here tho, Mikal, then I feel for you lol. Gotta avoid falling victim to the gambler's fallacy tho
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@Mikal
Off theory Casey is watching the game. Sees RM unvote votes at that point and now it forces town to eat a bomb ?If we lynch him and he is a bomb. Low-key could be Casey. Have a lot to process
I actually hadn't seen that AR had unvoted when I cast my vote (hence why I tagged Earth). But fair enough, I'll go along with your plan. Savant is acting kind of ridiculous now and there's no benefit to prolonging this day further imo.
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Yeah, doesn't look like there were any votes between last vote count and AR unvoting
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@Savant
Convenient Casey wasn't caught up earlier, when it would have been much riskier to give an opinion.
I was online earlier before you claimed Lynchproof. Granted, I can't prove that, so I guess you'll have to take my word for it. In any case, however, I can read a gamestate and it's been obvious for a while that you are the only realistic lynch option today, for better or worse. I wouldn't have rushed to a hammer if you hadn't claimed Unlynchable, but I still would have been willing to hammer, and I would have said so. Take that for whatever it's worth I guess.
Also AR unvoted so it's not even a hammer yet.
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Okay, that was a LOT of reading, but I'm finally caught up. I'm mostly glad mafia is really active on here again, but it's also hard for me to keep up with it with my current schedule. Anyway, time to confirm Savant.
VTL Savant
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@Lunatic
Hey, I'm here, and I'm dead inside. Sorry, I saw the posts AR tagged me in about how if not Savant, then who and how since no one wants to change away from Savant? And I had to stop and think about that for a bit, and then I just did work until my shift finally ended, and now I'm home and ready to crash. I'll revisit in the morning, but I still don't feel good about a Savant lynch right now. I'm too tired to coherently explain why, just read what I wrote earlier I guess.
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@AdaptableRatman
I unvoted Savant because I no longer believe he's likely scum. It's really that simple. I do believe that the town should almost always try to lynch someone except sometimes at MYLO, but that doesn't mean I'm going to rush to lynch someone I think is more likely town when we still have plenty of time left in the day.
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@ILikePie5
I’m pretty sure I know what role he is, and if I’m right he’s stupid to hold onto that information because it can help POE
How do you know what role he is?
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@AdaptableRatman
The Savant lynch is not happening. Please let it go
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I still don't like the idea of mass claiming, but if it's what everyone else wants, I will reluctantly accept. I think I might prefer Savant's idea however, simply because time coordination can be a bear. I know we've tried it once before and it went awful.
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@AdaptableRatman
I actually edited a post a few games ago before remembering that it was against the rules. Somehow, it just totally slipped my mind. (It was something innocuous) No one caught it though, so I got away scot free. Up until my confession right now, anyway.
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@Savant
Multiple posts to respond to, not quite enough time. I will address this first:
Or maybe it's Casey, who has been online but isn't really engaging in the conversation beyond very slight pressure a few pages ago.
In all fairness, I have been very clear about the fact that I've been busy due to working a lot of overtime and only barely have time for mafia. This is something I've been saying for the past few games in a row; I'm verifiably not making this up. And I will admit, I did think that your stubborn refusal to comply was scummy at first, but now that I think about it more, I don't think you'd self-sabotage like this as scum unless there was a clear benefit to your partner, and I just can't see how that'd be true in this instance. So I will
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@Savant
Genuinely, what is the point in being this intransigent? At least play to your wincon.
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@Savant
@AdaptableRatman
Fuck it. Sure.
VTL Savant
L-1 now
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@Ultracrepidarian
Does anyone besides Mikal know anything about the theme?
As I said in the signups page, I know basically nothing about Skyrim. I'm actually a little surprised it hasn't been done yet, come to think of it.
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@AdaptableRatman
I think our best path here is to fully push on Savant. Like rally the troops.
I'd like some feedback on my thoughts on Ultra first, but I'm okay with pushing Savant for a claim.
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@AdaptableRatman
If WF is scum his most likely partner is Savant.
Disagree, I think WF knows better than to tie himself to his scum partner this early in the game, and I don't think he'd do it and rely on WIFOM either.
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Anyway, #214 and #215 from Ultra caught my attention. It's weird to me that he would vote for Ratman while asking if he is normally this aggressive as town... After multiple players had already backed off of him for playing the way he normally does. And this also came after he said he was going to get caught up. This post is then immediately followed up by an urge for a prompt massclaim.
This might all be nothing, but (and I've said this in the previous two games as well) DP1 is the time to look into these nothing things, simply because we have little information to go off of. For a short while at the beginning of this game, it was looking like Ratman might actually have been turbolynched before everyone even had a chance to post. Idk, something about Ultra voting for AR and also immediately joining the crowd calling for a massclaim just seems like him being overly opportunistic to me.
I will readily admit, however - Owen and Savant are the two players who get scumread pretty consistently on here as either alignment, so it does make me feel like I may be barking up the wrong tree with them as my top two scum reads. Nonetheless, I think this angle is at least worth considering, and I'd rather push one of them for a claim than push for a massclaim, personally.
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@whiteflame
So why are you scumreading me, exactly? Because I’m defending Savant and you’re scumreading him? This is a lot to drop without much explanation as to why.
Big reaction to a tilt scum... And no, it's not because you're defending Savant. I don't view defending someone I scumread as inherently scummy. It's a combination of you providing a very large spectrum for your softclaim (A-M is half the alphabet) combined with not really giving me any particular reason to townread you yet. Granted, you're not the only person to choose a large span, nor the first one, but Pie is a pretty solid town read for me and I also scumread Ultra/Owen. Luna could go either way but there is an actual scumtell I picked up on in the last game that made me lightly sus him (I was actually considering making a case for him and Pie being the team before Banana came in with her claim). Pie knows what I'm talking about, and so far I haven't seen it yet. Plus, there's another, subtler thing that's hard to put into words, which I'll get into later.
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@AdaptableRatman
You're in null, mainly because I'm actually not sure how to read you right now. Again, I'll expand later when I'm less busy.
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@whiteflame
Considering how inaccurate his percentage reads have been in previous games (he spent much of the Game Show Mafia game scumreading me), I don't think these would be hard to fake at all. If anything, all he'd need is the right slant and plenty of posts he'd claim to use to "back up" his views. I get that it's a lot of effort, but that effort can be put to legitimate and illegitimate use with relatively similar investment.
Maybe they weren't super accurate, but the utility in giving your reads isn't just so that you can try to convince others to vote for who you suspect, it's also to have a clearly described thought process that others can follow, allowing them to point out any weird pivots or changes in playstyle. Even if it can be done as scum (and of course, scum often do give detailed reads), it still takes a lot of effort, as you yourself just admitted to. The fact that Savant is backing out of taking that effort is worthy of suspicion imo.
Lest I be labeled a hypocrite, however, I do have reads of my own to share now that we're a few pages in and there's some substance to comment on. A detailed reads list will have to wait until later, but for now, my top town reads are Wylted and Pie, while my top scum reads are Savant and Owen. Also, tilt town on Mikal and tilt scum on WF. I'll expand on my read on Owen in my next post, probably during my 'lunch' break (it's not really lunch since it's in the evening but I consider it my lunch anyway). I think there might be something there.
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Anyway, I'm about to leave for work. I'll be low activity today, but I'll chime in when I can.
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