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@That1User
Warren, Pie and WaterPhoenix are the only people you don't scum read. Why is that?
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@That1User
In a gambit that clearly failed, drafter is the great unknown here
How was voting for drafter a gambit? It looks like creating an easy distraction so if he refuses to participate and creates tension, it naturally shifts attention away from you.
For me it's not you voting drafter that's weird - it's you voting Speed. A few of us have explained why we town read him, yet you swiftly moved off drafter and voted Speed. This was right after you said to look out for a whiteflame and Ragnar scum team in post 412, when in post #390 you said you "really believed" scum was between Chris and I. So basically within a matter of minutes you called scum out between drafter, Speed, Chris, myself, Ragnar and whiteflame which is 6/10 of us. It looks like you're panicking and just name dropping a bunch to confuse people after your flip.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Both, though "racism" may not be the best word to describe many systemic problems that hurt certain races in particular. For instance, if black people are poorer on balance and therefore have less access to healthcare, that's not necessarily systemic racism in healthcare. But racism in healthcare can occur when doctors neglect, disbelieve, or actively discriminate against patients. There are studies proving that does occur re: black patients.
Similarly if black communities have higher crime rates, then a greater police presence wouldn't necessarily indicate racism in criminal justice. But if black people are far more likely to be stopped for ‘reasonable suspicion’ (as opposed to actually breaking a law) and are three times more likely than any other group to be searched, even though searches of white people were more likely to turn up contraband -- then yeah that would be an example of systemic racism in criminal justice.
I think systemic racism is more problematic insofar as past obstacles that still have a permeating impact today, i.e. red lining.
But I think letting Greyparrot hijack this thread and make it about systemic racism when it's actually about the utterly pathetic lawsuits is a silly red herring. I just wanted to point out that his link didn't actually prove anything substantive about systemic racism in society overall anyway.
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He was suggesting that whiteflame was scummy for "knowing" that1's role. Didn't wanna waste time going down that road, sorry :/
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"Institutional racism, also known as systemic racism, is a form of racism that is embedded as normal practice within society or an organization. It can lead to such issues as discrimination in criminal justice, employment, housing, health care, political power, and education among other issues."
Note that Greyparrot's link which discusses racism in policing does not touch upon any of the systemic racism observed in other areas of society.
For those that can't read beyond the WSJ firewall, here is another link on the subject.
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@ILikePie5
that1user claimed vanilla. That's why whiteflame (I think it was whiteflame) said he could guess that1's role but not his affiliation. He said "I like ice cream" or something like that.
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Absolutely not, WP is the towniest here. Your whole argument assumes WP knows how to play the role but clearly he doesn't
It's interesting that the logic is WP doesn't understand the redirector role and therefore he used the role, but at the same time understands the role well enough to use it correctly.
I could be wrong, but I am more trusting of WP due getting the character's name wrong. For fake claims, I would expect the name to be done right and adhere to the research.
I disagree with this but don't see the need to read into it. I feel like Supa as a mod would scrutinize his game pretty closely but that's neither here nor there. Just something for me to consider.
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@Speedrace
I think WP is town simply because he revealed that he was the redirector. I have no idea why he'd do that as scum
I disagree with this for the same reason I disagreed with people on Friday night when you claimed Popular as scum. Someone said you had no incentive to do that and I said no actually you had every incentive to do that: cuz it proves your role. Just like it behooved Pie to message me when he was scum messenger in a previous game because it proved his role. It always adds to your credibility when you can do that albeit to different degrees. For all WP knows there could have been a watcher/tracker that saw him visit and he was being summoned by people's "last chance" to out themselves. So I'm not saying WP is definitely scum, but I could absolutely see an incentive for a redirector to out themselves as scum in this scenario - especially if he gets points for redirecting to Croc.
That said, similar to Pie's vig claim we can just call it out as scummy later in the game if WP uses his ability (in a bad way) again, so I dunno if we have to lynch him. But like everyone else I am more comfortable lynching WP over Speed for obvious reasons.
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With 13 players Pie could be a TP serial killer, however I dunno if he would have brought attention to himself by shooting NP1 if he's TP. I guess he'd have to prove he's the vig if he was gonna claim that. The question is why target Speed. I wanted to lynch Speed yesterday out of principle, not necessarily cuz I thought he was guilty. I actually suspected he was TP (ironically he's the one who mentioned there is probs a TP in the game, which I wasn't sure was intentional or not) so I'm curious if Pie thought that as well. Speed did not read maf at all IMO per the attention he was bringing to himself which I can't see him doing to teammates unless one of them was gonna bus him, and no one did (I was pushing the hardest and I'm not his teammate, so).
Now I think he's town for exactly the reason warren said. Had that not happened on Friday I would have def sussed the claim for reasons I'll get to later, but I'm pretty confident he's town unless he really is so big brained he fake claimed with an outside game lie 3 days ahead of time. Even Speed's not that good. This also makes warren lean slight town as there would be no reason for scum to point that out. I actually wouldn't have said that out loud right away and waited to see if anyone tried to make a case on Speed to FOS them.
I'ma go back and read DP1 again later. This is not me stalling; I am EXTREMELY BUSY at work right now. If I can't post during the work day I will def post tonight.
Assuming Speed is town we can assume his reads on whiteflame and that1 are decent, but I'm not 100% sold on that1. I'd actually like to know why he thinks that1user is town cuz I don't town read him/her at all. I'm null and if anything find post #289 to be extremely weird.
Last night I was told my action failed. I dunno if that means I was jailed, role blocked, my target was non-targetable, switched, etc.
@Ragnar I don't feel the need to out who I targeted atm, but I didn't target Speed.
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@drafterman
I'm not getting lynched today.
I'd vtl you just for this. I don't understand why people think they can go around making declarative statements like this about what's going to happen in the game. If we vtl you for a claim and you don't claim I'm just gonna stop posting or refuse to claim for the entire game, just FYI.
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@Speedrace
Not sure if I was role blocked - I was just told that my action failed.
BRB def gonna post more this afternoon between 1:30 and 5:30 EST
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Good morning everyone! I would like to think I was put in jail but was probs just role blocked. Catching up now.
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@Speedrace
And anyway I don't think someone hopping on a stupid lynch necessarily equates to being scum
Not necessarily, but that's kinda how we guess who scum is unless I've misunderstood how the game works for the last 12 years.
Say Mikal insisted I was scum cuz I was on Facebook/Discord and a wagon built even though I know for a fact I wasn't online. I'd still claim (and I'd be pissed) and I'd probably pursue one of the people on that wagon depending if I thought they really believed Mikal or not. You can usually gauge depending on who it is.
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@drafterman
Gotcha. But to be clear (I guess I am explaining this again after all) I only voted for him cuz he refused to claim. It's a matter of principle for me.
I agree the Discord logic is flimsy and may have said so had I been online. I probs would have said we needed to pressure one of the noobs for aforementioned reasons. However if the wagon was already established and he had a certain # of votes then yes I expect a claim. This would apply to anyone. Speed is not exceptional.
And note even if I did go along with Mikal's reasoning, it was after he was proven town so I know he at least believed what he said. Per the post I linked to, in previous games we have absolutely caught scum over flimsy reasoning that people complained about. Everyone complained about Luna's logic that "scum must have been online and liked the post" in the Avatar game yet he was right. In the game before that, I was right that scum changed their profile pic to their fake character claim. I completely agree it's not within the spirit of the game to rely on outside "clues" like that, but it does have its place - especially on DP1 when we have little to go on - and I have maintained this position consistently for months.
I never said I wanted to lynch Speed. I said if you get a certain # of votes you need to claim and not claiming is anti-town + lynch worthy.
Out of curiosity, what are your thoughts on Croc seemingly knowing Mikal was town because "a townie wouldn't intentionally throw like that" when Mikal intentionally throws as town all the time?
BBL. Perhaps with replacements we'll get something more substantive out of the day phase.
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@drafterman
I agree with Danielle that we should look at who was jumping on Elminster's stupid-ass wagon:Lunatic - troll/rvs voteChris - buying into the nonsensePie - also buying into the nonsensewhiteflame - buying into the nonsense, also sheeping danielleWater - didn't buy into the nonsense, but also votes Speed anyway?Danielle - for speed's reaction to the nonsenseThat1User - sheeping Danielle
This seems helpful on the surface, but I'm not sure what to make of the bolded above considering I was never on Elminster's wagon and didn't say anything about his wagon for that1user to sheep. He was mod killed before I ever signed on.
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@Coreyinthehouse
Hi! Welcome! I'm happy to help you learn Mafia :) Which players are in a PM with you?
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This is going to be the last thing I say about the subject, but just FYI in that game Luna posted, it was where Luna said he thought scum was one of the people who "liked" his post. That is arguably a ridiculous reason to pressure someone first (PRESSURING SOMEONE WHO WAS ONLINE AT THE TIME SOMEONE LIKED HIS POST) and Speed said so BUT I WENT ALONG WITH IT BECAUSE IT WAS DAY PHASE 1. I said that we had nothing else to go on so it gave us a place to start. Please just read this entire page of my posts from that game.
We were right about the person to pressure first for that "BS" reason and btw I was town. So Luna is completely 100% making up that I am somehow exemplifying hypocritical logic. Now I want to FOS him for lying because that whole exchange was very memorable. And that's all I have to say about that.
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@Vader
How would you feel about extending the DP until the replacements at least get to make 1 post?
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@ILikePie5
@Pie please tell MisterChris how I respond when people refuse to claim. Please indicate whether this is indicative of my affiliation.
I'm getting bored of this topic. We know Speed's not gonna claim. I'm not gonna claim. I knew from the start the n00bs would be a problem -- pretty sure they haven't posted anything yet. So this DP was just wasted with Mikal getting himself killed for no reason, us getting 1 claim and probs no lynching, and not being able to develop reads on 1/4 of the players because they haven't posted anything.
My interest in this game is meh. Kinda just looking forward to the End Game so I can double down on my position and everyone can see this is the position I take as town. I feel strongly about it.
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Btw if Speed thought his wagon was bullshit, the appropriate way to handle that would be to then question or scum read people who hopped on a nonsensical wagon and try and make a case against them. Not simply to just say "I'm not claiming no matter what." It's very frustrating that my point is being misrepresented but w/e.
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@MisterChris
IDK, worst case scenario Lunatic and Speed are scum buddies and in that case we're all fucked because that is an OP mafia team.
This is actually true because with so many noobs and inactives they could just dictate the entire game and nobody would know better and likely comply. I don't think Speed is mafia though. I think he's TP for aforementioned reasons (can't see him drawing this much attention to himself with teammates; can't see him refusing to claim unless he's trying to draw the NK -- could be TP PGO or something like that). He might even be town. I just won't stand for people refusing to claim regardless of how nonsensical the wagon is. People almost always think their wagons are nonsensical and Speed shouldn't get special standing to not comply just because he's a good player -- in fact he should be scrutinized more than others because he's a good player. Maybe I'm just bitter after last game but you'd think after Speed makes a fool out of everyone time and again they wouldn't let him dictate the game like that. It's rubbing me the wrong way. Don't care if I'm read scum because of it. Don't care if he's town. I don't like this style at all. Why aren't you voting for anyone?
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@Speedrace
I'm curious why you think Croc was so sure Mikal was being truthful.
>> "Because he always does that as town"
No, he doesn't always know that Mikal is definitively town in games where he's playing like an ass.
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@Vader
@Coreyinthehouse
Just saw the vote count. Claim. And if he/she doesn't claim, Supa, replace them. I knew this would be a problem -_-
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@Lunatic
First of all, literally nothing about the link you shared to your post indicates any hypocrisy of mine. I'm not sure if you gave the wrong link or not, but nowhere from that page did I say "Discord logic" is a bad reason to pressure someone. I have always said that it's completely fair game and reliance on it is partially why the town sucks without theme analysis or considering outside game clues. We use it way more often than we should. I have complained about this multiple times in the last few weeks. That's why I said I wouldn't have agreed with Mikal to pressure Speed about it had I been online at the time. Which brings me to the next point that I am only going to repeat one final time:
I am not voting for Speed because he refused to claim per Mikal's bullshit Discord logic. The fact that you think I am means you are either completely illiterate or being willfully obtuse. I'm not sure how I can dumb this down for you people any further than the explanations I have already given multiple times.
I have said in each and every game that we have to start somewhere on DP1. Every DP1 someone whines and throws a hissy fit and refuses to claim because "why should they." THERE IS NO GOOD REASON MOST OF THE TIME. We literally make one up and that's why you completely ignored the example I gave re: Pie voting for whiteflame, because in each and every game you'll find a random or arguably BS reason to pressure someone first. Why should Elminster claim when you pressure him first? What if you voted for him and 4 people hopped on just cuz they figured why not, but he refused to claim because "why should he?" It's straight up anti town to not claim when you have a wagon even if the wagon is built on bullshit. That's how you play the game.
You are also lying about me wanting to "mislynch Speed." I don't want to lynch Speed. I'm telling him to claim so he doesn't get lynched and at the same time keeping my promise that I will absolutely vote to lynch someone who refuses to claim when they have a sufficient wagon. I don't cow tow to big personalities who dictate how the game is played by saying "this is what's going to happen," i.e. YYWs style. In Discord Mafia a few weeks ago, Mikal was screaming at me over and over to do something and I literally just said NO you aren't going to get me to listen just because you "said so."
Speed saying "yeah I'm not claiming no matter what - lynch me" is reminiscent of that smug, condescending personality that I can't stand. That's why I'm voting for him. It's a team game. I agree Mikal's reason was nonsense but a wagon started and Speed said he wasn't going to claim regardless of whether or not he had the votes. If you force the mislynch of a townie when you're town solely because you refuse to claim (like Pie did in that game where I ripped him a new asshole) then you're a loser and deserve ridicule. The fact that you think I would yell at Pie and others over this behavior but not Speed is dumb. I'm not going to let him control how the game goes. That's how he makes a fool of everyone all the time. I am perfectly fine lynching a townie who plays like that and I have maintained this exact same position in each game. So no this is not me trying to "mislynch" Speed; I'd unvote him if he claimed. And you haven't proven anything about my alleged hypocrisy. I already said I'm not claiming and don't care if you lynch me for it. That's how we play on DART now.
Oh, and I said I would vote for one of the three noobs or Croc for aforementioned reasons. But of course nobody responded or got anything going so oh well.
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@fauxlaw
That utterly pathetic and sexist low blow has nothing to do with what I said about the article. Not sure why you bothered responding.
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I'm also down for lynching Speed if he gets 4/5+ votes and refuses to claim in case that wasn't obvious. I just can't see people going against him, so. Ya'll make your peace with that and I'll check back later to see what we're doing.
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@Speedrace
It irritates me to no end that you think voting someone for maybe possibly kind of seeing them on Discord is ok, that's not a standard I want to play by
Again I'm voting for you because you said you'd be lynched before you claim. That is not pro town.
You can argue that the Discord logic is stupid (and I'd 100% agree because Mikal apparently thinks I'm on Discord/Facebook all the time when I'm literally never on) but the fact that you think this is suddenly outrageous when it comes up time and again and we constantly defer to the Discord stuff is suspect.
Lol @ me not remembering you were mod of that game (@mafia notice I don't pay attention... ) but you know what I mean when I say we give shit reasons for lynching DP1. I'm not gonna repeat myself because I know you know exactly what I'm talking about. If there's a game with all relatively experienced players, we're going to come up with some random or arguably unfair reason to start with them. The next vote I believe was Pie voting for whiteflame saying "I won't let you get away with not claiming again." So it's a legitimate reason to vote for someone because they've fooled you in a past game? By that logic you should be voted for first every single time.
Anyway re: Croc you said you weren't going to lynch him cuz you didn't wanna make him feel unwelcome. I'm curious why you think Croc was so sure Mikal was being truthful.
Not sure I'm gonna post much more this DP, but if a wagon builds on Croc or one of the three noobs I might hop on if I pop online tonight or tomorrow AM since we still have time.
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+ 1 Just more frivolous post election litigation from the losing side. It will fail like the other cases.
+ Supreme court will not even hear it.
Fun fact is the lawyer who filed on behalf of Trump is the one who wrote the op ed in Newsweek saying Kamala wasn't eligible to be VP cuz of citizenship concerns that they had to apologize for. Their whole campaign is such a pathetic and sad shit show.
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@Speedrace
To be clear I would not be voting for you had you not refused to claim. I don't even think you hit the # of votes yet to where you should have to claim which would be about 4 or 5 for a player of your stature. But I refuse to let this become a precedent where people refuse to claim. It irritates me to no end and if the new standard is everyone just doing whatever they want and not gaf then ok I guess it is what it is.
And yes a lot of the reasons we give for voting players DP1 is stupid depending on who's playing. Last game doesn't count cuz of GP's fuckery, but in MCU I just looked and GP started the day phase off by voting for because "you're always scum." That's arguably a stupid reason. If you want to say it isn't because well you're just so good as scum why not start with you, then what exactly is your reason for not claiming now? We know Mikal's town so he believed what he said.
You still haven't responded to what I said about Croc.
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@Speedrace
So what do you expect me to do? Cowtow to Mikal?
No but I expect you to claim when a sufficient wagon builds. That's how you play the game. If people wanted to listen to Mikal that's their prerogative just like right now you want everyone to listen to you.
On DP1 99% of the time the first person that gets pressured is pressured for a bullshit reason or something that would never fly at any other point. We're always grasping at straws. Why the fuck do I have to explain this every DP1. This is why I'm not even going to post on DP1 anymore.
Why should we give you a pass for Mikal's nonsense reason when nobody else gets a pass for refusing to claim DP1 despite whatever nonsense reason we give them? And it IS always nonsense. Like I said if everyone's just gonna play like a child and throw the game then fine. I will not claim in this game. Don't bother voting for me or vote just to lynch.
BBL if I feel like it.
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@Speedrace
Also I never threatened to quit lol
You said you wanted to quit but didn't want to upset Supa because the mods "should ban Discord logic" which is nonsensical. How can the mod do that? If I saw you on Discord and it made me sus you, the only thing the mod can ban me doing is saying so publicly but everyone is still open to use that logic regardless of how bad it is. I agree it's bad and would have sided with you, but refusing to claim is not pro town.
Re: Croc, I don't want to lynch him cuz he claimed Hated Townie. I actually forgot that it was him who claimed that. I just don't like that he knew Mikal was town. There was no way to know that and Croc isn't some magically gifted or present Mafia player to have known that.
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@Speedrace
The problem with your explanation is that this Discord logic has come up in every single game and you have never spoken against it. Why take such a passionate stance now? You lie boldly and assertively all the time, so insisting you weren't typing doesn't mean anything.
I set my own precedent to lynch whenever someone refuses to claim under these circumstances, so I guess we are at an impasse. I want Corey's claim but everyone cow towing to whatever you say is pathetic. That's how you win all the time as scum.
If you actually are town and throwing again (willing to lynch yourself and hurt town) then congratulations DART mafia is officially trash because of people playing against their win con for petulant personal reasons. That doesn't seem like your personality so I'm more inclined to believe you're scum. I feel like you're TP cuz I can't imagine you doing this to a scum partner either.
Just let it be known though that if you refuse to claim then I will also not claim in this game or any other and then town can just do whatever they want with it. It'll be my new meta just like Mikal voting for himself is his new meta. How about just no one claims at all and we just take our chances. Let's just lynch everyone. Let's just not even play lol I at this point ya'll make me feel like 100 years old with this childishness.
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@MisterChris
What's so nonsensical about it?
Why is it nonsensical to policy lynch a hated townie? Cuz it's a TOWNIE. You actually explained this yourself in post #367 so it sounds like you're feigning ignorance and asking questions just to look active (I do appreciate your activity though). I read in a subsequent post from you that it's to allegedly make it so scum can't hammer easier at the end. I guess that makes sense but seems unlikely to be relevant unless the Hated makes it to the very last day phase. That is statistically unlikely. I'm personally against policy lynching in most scenarios outside of Popular claims. I'm not one of those people who says we should lynch DP1 no matter what just cuz it's in our favor either.
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I don't think we should get a ton of claims DP1 assuming Mikal is town. We already have one claim plus Mikal's flip, so we either need a claim from Speed or the noobs. I'm also fine pressuring Croc cuz he's inactive the vast majority of the time and tends to play scummy even as town. I don't like his post #126 or 128 either where he seemingly knew Mikal was town which nobody would know but mafia.
Policy lynching a hated townie is nonsensical, but so is voting No Lynch early in the day phase for no reason. BBL.
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Plus this risks being lynched in the day per his refusal which he doesn't seem to care about despite hurting town if he's town.
Speed was against Mikal's behavior when he played like a brat - now he's gonna do it? Doesn't make sense. The ONLY thing I can think is that he's a vanilla trying to draw the NK but again he expressed willingness to be LYNCHED meaning he isn't even trying to make it to the night phase. None of this is town motivated. I don't know if I care enough to try and figure out if he's got a weird TP role.
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@whiteflame
He's clearly being pretty guarded about having to claim, which, if I assume he's town, suggests to me that he has a power role that he doesn't want to reveal.
Yeah or he's a vanilla townie trying to trick the mafia into killing him by pretending he has a power role. The only thing is that's completely unnecessary cuz Speed, Luna and myself are gonna be the most obvious mafia night targets given how many noobs and inactives are playing. Plus this risks being lynched in the day per his refusal which he doesn't seem to care about despite hurting town if he's town. There's just no way to read this behavior and a claim is warranted. But I'm open to a claim from the noobs cuz I really don't expect much contribution from them, so.
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Just kidding. I detest splitting the vote count so I'm not gonna vote for Pie, but in looking at the vote count I can tell you that I'm definitely NOT voting No Lynch without even trying to get something out of the DP. We have 13 players - we can afford to get a claim. DP1 is the biggest likelihood for a scum slip depending on if the mod gave fake claims. If he only gave 1 that leaves 1+ scum person SOL trying to figure something out. Especially after I literally just spelled out why we have absolutely no idea how to read 3 people who have never played before, on top of Speed yeah I'm not voting No Lynch. I'll unvote and vtl Speed unless someone wants to help me pressure a noob.
Speedrace [2/7] iLikePie5, Danielle
Coreyinthehouse [1/7] Lunatic
VTNL [3/7] Speedrace, That1User, Lunatic
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@Speedrace
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Speed is playing as if he wants to get lynched. In post #113 him declaring Mikal the Jester was nonsensical. Mikal has played to this same exact shitty ass meta in the last ~5 games and he was town in all of them with the exception of last game when he was scum. Why that behavior would suddenly indicate "Jester" is beyond me. I can't even remember the last time a Jester was used in a DDO/DART game so that seemed completely out of left field. Speed, explain why you think that.
Chris seems town considering how out of his way he went with multiple people to test the Discord thing (seems like a waste of time if mafia). Not sure how to read Luna's assessment of Speed. I agree with it but feel like as maf he would be pointing out the same thing and kinda buddy Speed. It's obvious a lot of people are going to want a claim from him and if he's gonna pull that "just lynch me then" nonsense I will literally just lynch him even if it means losing to the Jester. Big deal. Not sure why Speed thinks he's somehow above having to claim when it applies to every other player but yeah no he doesn't get a pass just because he's a good player.
I'm not confident enough in my ability to read most players here so I'm looking for tells and slips. The Discord convo was a massive waste of time but I think it's fair game. I also tend to give it a pass on DP1 because we have nothing to go on. Gut is telling me Speed threatening to quit over it means he really was caught in a PM on Discord. I believe Mikal is town cuz Supa mod killed him so the PM was copypasta was legit.
FOS on Croc from post #126 and 128. He seems too confident that Mikal is town, and no offense but Croc doesn't strike me as someone who is active + confident enough to have a solid read on Mikal (of all people) like that. He said "Mikal wouldn't pressure for a blatant mislynch like this" when Croc has played in the last ~5 games where yes Mikal has absolutely done that and blatantly asked for a mislynch of himself every single time.
Not sure if I wanna vote for Speed, a noob or Croc so might as well vtl Pie.
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@Vader
I appreciate that. Just for the record I'm not saying you can't play with your sibling, partner or friend. Obviously that happens all the time. I just think that for their FIRST GAMES it's hard not to ask them questions. Not sure if you remember when I brought my friend to play on Discord and he asked me a hundred questions about the game even though he's played Mafia before (albeit a different version). I refused to answer him and he thought I was scum because of that. I was actually town but felt dirty he even asked lol I'm pretty big on integrity. I digress though. Thanks for looking out.
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@That1User
Btw don't take anything I said personally. It's not a knock on you or them at all. I just know based on experience what to expect. The only reason I deleted that post from the Sign Ups is cuz I felt like people would call me out for bringing my friend Magic to DDO Mafia but I felt like that was an exception cuz I prepared her and she's smart, so I knew she would get it right away (...not that your gf isn't smart... forget it I'ma stop talking... but anyway I was concerned about them is all because I think it will be a distraction and just people we won't be able to read at ALL). That said brb again I'm still gonna respond to the DP so far.
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Hold on I got a work call but I still wanna give my reads brb in like 15 mins or so.
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So I can already tell this is gonna be a frustrating game. In the Sign Up thread I actually made a post that said I might back out if the mod let noobs play. I think you should have to play Beginner games first because these people definitely have no idea what DDO Mafia is. It's different from other site Mafia assuming they have even done that. I would bet my LIFE that they are talking about the game outside the game with that1user (their friend/bf who invited them to play) which is just in bad spirit of the game cuz it gives things away, and/or that at LEAST one of them is in a mafia PM. Otherwise there's no way for them to have any clue what to do. And furthermore we don't be able to read them for shit because everything will be written off as n00biness. So I actually almost backed out just because I didn't want to read a million posts explaining to them how the game works or trying to figure out what to do with them. But yeah before I give me reads/thoughts I just wanna say that I'll prob be voting for a claim from Crystal and Corey at some point just because we'll have absolutely no idea what to do with them. Similarly seldiora hasn't played before but he may have seen the game on DART.
Anyway so this was my first concern going into the game - now I'm just annoyed at childish behavior and thinking there might be bastard modding. Speed looks like he's trying to get himself lynched and if there's a Jester I'm going to lose even more interest in the game. The only time the Jester role was cool IMO was when drafter made whiteflame and I need to both get lynched in order to win. I was actually thinking Speeed and Elminster had that same win con like WF and I did but now I think Elminster is really the bodyguard.
BRB still typing.
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@Speedrace
No use, I am not claiming. If you're voting me it's to lynch me.
I haven't finished reading the DP yet but I want to be clear that I have absolutely no problem lynching you for refusal to claim. Ask Pie.
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Good morning! I need to read the DP quickly before my calls start coming in. I'ma skim cuz 14 pages is a lot and then go back and re-read if I need to.
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You guys also coulda made Ragnar flip as a flavored cop or a role cop. There's so much you coulda done!!! Best role ever lol.
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@Speedrace
@Elminster
I guess what I mean is you apparently wanted to use your role to kill Supa so you would have taken a townie (Supa) down with your death.
But perhaps it would have been more effective to flip town and implicate Ragnar and/or drafter (meaning one of them would be mislynched, effectively the same as you taking down Supa) creating a ton of chaos and confusion. I feel like Supa was gonna get lynched regardless plus you could have made everyone really paranoid about drafterman and Ragnar. I'm not gonna criticize your play though cuz clearly you guys pulled it off regardless.
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@Elminster
I still haven't read how your role works in full and I'm sure you're gonna think I'm dumb for not getting it but again even if drafter DID have a result on you, WHO CARES if you could have just made yourself look innocent when you flipped (thereby implicating drafter and/or his mason partner)?
I get that apparently you wanted to use your role to kill Supa but why when everyone scum read him anyway? Sorry I'm working at the same time I'm thinking about this so my brain is in two places at once.
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