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@Elminster
In a few mins I'ma go look up your role so I know what you're talking about when you say you'd execute him. BRB.
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I'm probably not understanding cuz I dunno Mikal's real role so I don't know what you mean by execute. Obv I wouldn't expect you to make Mikal flip mafia. I just feel like you could have manipulated the entire game by changing everyone's flip :D
I also find it hilarious that I'm happy as a clam and reveling in this game despite the fact we loss in such a brutal way. On the last DP I felt like shouting "I'm alive, I'm alive and I don't care who knows it!" like Buddy in Elf with the word love lol.
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@Elminster
The tp flip would reverse the town conf on supa at that point.
Maybe I'm reading wrong/misunderstanding but when was Supa town confirmed? All I know is I sussed him all game for all the reasons Pie said.
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@Speedrace
Yes but couldn't he just have claimed a town role upon pressure and then flip town? Arguably all his behavior is scummy and that behavior actually mirrored the last few games he was town. You could have gotten rid of the cop and potentially made people wary of drafter as well by having him flip innocent. I still dunno what his real role is cuz I haven't had a chance to check yet.
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@Elminster
I'm fascinated why you didn't make yourself flip town. What am I missing?
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@Speedrace
Nah b/c Mikal saying *kill Supa* made it obv he wasn't town.
Didn't everyone read Supa scum though? I did.
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You could also manipulate everything the town thinks they know about game mechanics, i.e. in this game we thought there was a non-joint TP. Dang that role is bad ass lol it should be like a solo mafia player having that role. Still an awesome game though. Well balanced for all intents and purposes.
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Yo the Tailor role is mad OP! I'm not bitter about it cuz it was still a great game, but I feel like if you have a living Tailor it could be very easy to win. For instance the mafia in this game could have just made Elminster flip town. Then drafter would have said Ragnar was scum and we'd kill the cop.
Next someone could claim Tracker let's say and mafia could CC the real Tracker. Upon the townie's fake flip, the mafia Tracker is "confirmed" innocent. There are so many ways I could think to utilize that role but damn if any mafia team ever loses with a living Tailor they suck ass. You could delegitimize every single read and every single result.
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@Speedrace
Re: Tailors, do they get to come up with the role description + role or is it a pre-determined one? Cuz if you can make up anything you want for how someone flips, then all the investigative roles in the world don't help town IMO. You could say someone is a flavored cop or make up a role that would necessarily have a partner attached and then claim to be the partner, no?
Lol should've went with my gut, Mikal pointed out that the DP wasn't up and Rag was the only one not online but I decided to do Pie anyway
I've been coming up with ways to psyche people out when I mod so these things become irrelevant. I think it's completely fair game to look at these clues but not within the spirit of Mafia. I will probably go out of my way to give role PMs that are not standard to anyone and ask for night actions ahead of time so that nobody can utilize "who's online" to figure out game mechanics. In fact I'll probably go out of my way to make things like that not relevant. It's so weak lol probs why town can't play for shit without this stuff.
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I actually like games where flips are revealed the next day. I don't even know what a Tailor is off the top of my head. I'd have to look it up.
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Btw I knew that cop was Ragnar, but I didn’t say it to not out cop and cuz if I were to say that I knew it, I would’ve looked scummy
Yes it was obv Ragnar. I was gonna try to make it sound like it could be me to throw maf off, but was worried drafter might scum read that. Plus if I'm honest I didn't want to die lol better Ragnar than me :P I wouldn't normally feel that way except I thought my role could be useful at narrowing down scum by blocking NKs.
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would've lost if it wasn't for GP lol this was so townsided
I had a feeling he was throwing the game cuz I called him a little bitch in another thread (lol). The thing is I could have been mafia and his tantrum would have helped my team so who knows. Kinda proof he is a little bitch though. Still fun to play with most of the time :) I hope we get a game going on Friday night.
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@Speedrace
Why did you waive the NK on the last night and not kill me?
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@Speedrace
Proof I won't make good decisions is I will barely read my role PM just like I didn't even read the OP of this thread lol. I knew the "#1 townie" shit was so fake <3 At the end Luna asked for my night action and I was like LET ME THINK but just caved and picked Supa cuz I assumed you'd kill me if you were scum and make drafter vote for Supa. Why didn't you do that?
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Yeah just like Pie sending messages to people didn't confirm him town, neither is making sure to say "woof." I had a feeling that he was scum and that's literally why I jailed him lol. That is exactly the sort of role that sounds like a mod would create for fun so I knew it was a potential fake claim and one maybe Speed even came up with himself. Plus it seemed big brained to kill Pie. I'm just so happy I lived to to the end that I don't even fucking care we lost. The mafia should keep me alive every time and I promise to keep making poor decisions. Do it!
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@Speedrace
Oh lol well done then. I jailed you NP1 because I was convinced the barking thing was fake. Usually the things that seem role confirmed are scum so I knew people would consider you "confirmed" the entire game without giving you a second thought. But since I jailed you Np1 and the kill went through I was like meh. Figured it would be the one fake claim given. Awesome job!
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First off I want to say how grateful I am for MAKING IT TO THE END!!! Yo I am literally smiling from ear to ear right now lol I literally don't think this has ever happened before. Maybe it did like 10 years ago (no joke) but this is a once in a very blue moon thing, and I really wanted to play in this game with ya'll for a few day phases so I'm just so happy it worked out that way.
I'm also really proud of town for winning despite how the game started with losing 3 townies immediately. I didn't have to role claim until almost the end so again the town played really well utilizing all kinds of context clues and not JUST theme analysis. This is one of the most rewarding town wins I've seen in awhile.
Out of curiosity, why didn't the mafia have any claims handy? I know it's tough in a themed games sometimes but seriously ya'll couldn't come up with one? Jeez Louise. Good game though - that was really fun.
Supa I am always impressed by your commitment to the very end when you're scum. Despite being one of the youngest people here, you're one of the most mature Mafia players. And Elminster why are you always saying town on DART sucks? It's the same people as Discord lol. I'll admit most times DP1 frustrates the shit out of me but this game was better.
Well done everyone. And thanks, Luna, for hosting.
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I was secretly hoping maf was Speed or dratferman and I would somehow figure it out and ruin their play by jailing one of them, but in the end I jailed Supa. I can't get past him claiming a scum character plus the behavioral observations, so here we are.
Plus if Speed or drafter were maf, I assume they'd kill me (knowing I'd be on Supa) and then the day phase would come down to them vs. Supa who most people suspect. So if it's one of them then interesting lol great play. VTL Supa.
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@bmdrocks21
I didn't read your posts back to me yet but I will at some point, probably.
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Anyway I am Nick Andros, the Jailkeeper. NP1 I jailed Speed. NP2 I jailed drafterman and NP3 I jailed MisterChris. That means Chris didn't carry out the NK and why I'm more comfortable lynching Supa.
YO HOW THE FUCK AM I STILL ALIVE lol this is epic **huge grin**
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@Speedrace
It might be Supa and Chris but I feel more comfortable lynching Supa today as well.
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I never understand this point when people make it. Your contention is that because the US has had waves of immigration in the past, in the present day we are not allowed to make/change public policy related to immigration? No argument about how mass immigration in the current day effects the common good can be considered? How does that make any sense?
He might be talking about people "despising immigration" insofar as insisting nations should be homogenous when the U.S. isn't and arguably never was.
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@thett3
Yes I realize that you understand your example is anecdotal. I don't deny most teachers are liberal (doesn't liberal politics often intersect with higher education?) but again most people making hyperbolic claims like that can't substantiate that dramatic representation 99% of the time. Maybe you should ask him exactly what she teaches her students and perhaps I'll agree it's insane. But I'm willing to bet it's just something about how racism still has permeating effects in society generally or something like that.
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Social justice is the uneven application of the law based on immutable characteristics under the guise of correcting past perceived social injustices. Revenge and ham-fisted reparations based on identity can't be a good thing for America when the level of judicial equity largely depends on your chosen identity.
Lol @ framing social justice as a bad thing (oh no, not justice!). How is there an uneven application of law regarding immutable characteristics? That's just completely wrong. Saying you can't fire someone because of their sex protects people from both sexes. Saying you have to serve people regardless of their religious affiliation means that applies to EVERYONE'S religious affiliation. There is no unequal application of law or else it would be challenged in court as unconstitutional.
This also doesn't qualify as "revenge." You're probably just complaining about affirmative action initiatives. While annoying, it's really no more annoying than things like legacies or other opportunities being determined based on things other than merit (i.e. family pull). Obviously it sucks for white men who are potentially disregarded based on their race and sex... just like it sucks for women and brown people disregarded for the same reasons. I'm against most forms of AA but pretending it's the reason people are struggling in America is just silly.
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@thett3
Yes, she doesn't literally say "blacks good, whites bad.", she teaches history in such a way that it makes the children feel that way.
Yeah, this narrative just means very little to me without specific examples. There are people who feel that teaching about American slavery is "blacks good, whites bad" which is obviously ridiculous. There are people who feel that acknowledging Alan Turing was gay is brainwashing kids into degeneracy.
Acknowledging Jim Crow has had a long lasting impact on society is not radical (a lot of conservatives whine that it is). Acknowledging that racism still exists is not "extreme left wing, anti white people" which some people frame it as cuz they're ignorant and/or defensive. So it'd help to know what was so egregious that was being taught; otherwise it's just people regurgitating a generalization they can't substantiate. That's like me saying that so many conservatives really are racist. Not only does data show they are more racist, but I know someone who admitted their conservative fiance was a bigot so that must really say something.
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@Vader
So it isn’t uncommon. Even so, the fact it went an hour long with good bars is impressive.
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Yeah I like energy too. Usually there is some combination of lyricism, rhythm, flow and beat that makes hip hop good. It's one of the reasons I still consider Biggie to be my favorite rapper despite him not being the most talented. I like his voice and vibe. It's chill and swaggy. He's not the best lyricist but he's so 90s Brooklyn which is very nostalgic for me. I think J. Cole is probably one of the best rappers ever so I'm not one of those "new music is shit" type people. Do you listen mostly to rap?
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@Vader
The freestyles are really good! I just listened to those and then went back to All Girls Are the Same which is horrible. I can't believe that's the same guy. It's weird that when he's rapping off the cuff it sounds like he has talent, but the slow songs just sound sooo overproduced and like anyone off the street could make the same song. The only thing I didn't like is that in the second video, you could clearly see him reading words off the screen which is totally fine but I have a pet peeve of people calling those "freestyles." It's not a freestyle if it's written down, but you could definitely see he's more clever with word play and rhythm in the links you sent. I'll have to look up the lyrics one day. Too bad he didn't have the opportunity to grow as an artist :(
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Hay Im not splitting the hares with gays because you cant tell with normal guys anyway because they can be macho or they can working in the deli and they could drinking the beer or kwuffing the chardonnay so it is best to be standing with your backside to the wall justin case.
I completely agree.
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I think people hate gays because statistically they have more orgasms, and that seems like something to resent.
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I just googled who he was (never felt this old b4) and I'm speechless that the song Lucid Dreams was streamed a billion times on Spotify. Seriously? I just tried All Girls Are the Same and that shit's even worse! Lol that's crazy! Man Gen Z is impressive except for their music taste. Really seems like anyone with a music program and some connections or luck could be a star. What is even the standard for those songs being "good?" My goodness. Terrible but RIP Mr. WRLD.
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@MisterChris
Yeah you're probs scum. "The COP needs to reveal himself and give a full claim" says you. And why exactly would that be if drafterman is giving us the results and protecting cop's identity? Cop can out next DP if need be. You basically just ghosted the whole game and then asked the cop to out themselves for no reason. I could see why drafterman thinks you're scum with whiteflame. And now I'm starting to think Supa might have actually claimed a villain character cuz it seems the maf doesn't have fake claims handy?
As I said last game: the more people try to FOS me in the DP the higher my chances of living so lol have at it.
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Imagine outing as seer but not outing the maf.
That's what I was trying to figure out per context clues about the role. If the Seer knows everybody's role why doesn't he just out the maf? Sounds like a really weird fake claim. You'd think scum would have had at least one claim ready to give upon pressure.
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First off I already told ya'll I don't usually go online at night! I post at like 9am every weekday. I just so happened to sign on now cuz my wife is watching a really boring show.
What exactly is a Seer? I just looked it up on three sites and it says it has something to do with Warewolf games.
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@Speedrace
I'm shocked Lunatic invited MisterChris to play in this game. He seems like a cool person and all but literally in every single game I've played with him (maybe like 5 now?) he was inactive like 95% of the time.
I'm glad Speed thinks he can read Ragnar cuz so far both of them are obviously null. I think I'ma sign off cuz I don't usually stay online at night time unless it's Friday. I may check back online later to see what's up. Atm I wanna wait and see what drafterman has to say and how much he trusts his recruit. Then maybe he can give results.
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@Vader
Yes that's exactly what I said about drafter's potential recruit. However if he investigated Elminster NP1 then how would he know what Pie's role was?
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@Vader
drafterman said he wanted to lynch Elminster like as soon as last DP started iirc.
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I don't think Pie being on Supa meant much cuz I was also on Supa, and it would have made more sense to target me whose role the mafia don't know since I could theoretically be the cop. The mafia should have been trying to sus out who the cop was or target drafterman cuz he allegedly knows. Targeting Pie makes no sense unless the goal was specifically to make Supa look bad. Still I don't know why they wouldn't have targeted me.
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@whiteflame
Why did you say I didn't contribute much last DP? I just read that as I skimmed and I was like wut? I think I may have posted the most but whatevs.
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Actually it makes no sense for the mafia to have investigated Pie NP1 with him having claimed miller. Interesting.
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Yes, 3 mafia. Obv the mafia has a role cop or else they wouldn't have targeted Pie. I was a lil worried it might be whom drafter thinks is cop, but in order for the maf to kill Pie NP2 they probs investigated him NP1 meaning drafter's recruit is probably not the role cop (since he allegedly investigated Elminster scum). Assuming the cop has another result we should be able to narrow down a POE pile.
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I feel like scum should let town argue amongst themselves as a strategy so I'm wary of those not contributing much
This is also why Supa's declaration that he wouldn't be posting today felt a bit off to me.
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@Speedrace
#1 townie is back!
I'm definitely not!
I agree there's probs a cop from what little I've read about the book. At least if we wait to lynch we can potentially put more than 1 person in our town pile (as town read as an inno investigation gets you anyway). I'm curious though since you think the scum strategy would likely be to lie low this DP why you think Ragnar's lack of posting = town. I feel like scum should let town argue amongst themselves as a strategy so I'm wary of those not contributing much. I'm also a bit nervous that now Ragnar might not be so active if he is scum considering you expect that of him but meh. I'm not too concerned about it atm.
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@drafterman
"You ain't a man at all! You're some kind of devil!" Whitney says as he attempts to get people to rally against Flagg (the main antagonist I assume) and is subsequently executed by him. That's what I'd submit to you if I were him and I haven't read the book :P I see your point but I'm not gonna underestimate Supa.
Anyway so we wait for Supa + figure out what to do (if anything) in the meantime. I'm happy to pressure Elminster but eh. What do you think about Ragnar's general activity level? I don't think I've played with him before.
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@Vader
Do you still wanna vote for drafterman considering he's somewhat defending you? Do you think he would do that as scum?
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@drafterman
What will clinch it for me is the quote.
Well you probs shouldn't have said that out loud but I agree the character could probs go other way depending on other things (behavior or POE). I feel like he'd make more sense as a miller. I'm not gonna tunnel this all day phase but I'll certainly keep it in mind.
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