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@Greyparrot
The acceptance of mass migration by a nation's leaders is a symptom of deep corruption and a complete inability to sustain the welfare of the citizens they are tasked to provide for.
This is just your opinion and has no factual basis. The country was founded by migrants and government isn't supposed to provide. It protects.
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@bmdrocks21
P.S. Look up the Dillingham Commission and what Congress said about "undesirable" immigrants back at the turn of the century. Xenophobia is not new.
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@Greyparrot
Not at all!
I see. Why did you bother pointing out that the immigrants who built America were legal immigrants?
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@Greyparrot
Worked for Rome! hurrdurr.
So the legal status doesn't matter? Thanks for clarifying!
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@bmdrocks21
Wapo asked every candidate if they supported a 100 day moratorium on all deportations. Biden is under the “yes” column not the “yes with exceptions” column.
It's convenient that you linked to a graphic behind a firewall, but beyond a cute cartoon photo we can defer to what the Biden campaign has actually said about what he wants to do in his first 100 days. They released a joint statement with Latino Victory Fund committing to a total moratorium on deportations during his first 100 days as president, and said efforts will be narrowly targeted to those who commit a felony offense in the United States or who present a national security threat. In fact there was a famous clip of some immigrant confronting Biden asking him if he would stop all removals, but Biden refused, saying he’d prioritize deporting people who committed felonies or “serious crimes” instead. The guy objected, and Biden flippantly responded “You should vote for Trump" which became a viral clip.
But yeah, no, there's no evidence Biden or Democrats have any interest or desire to keep felonious or violent criminals in the U.S.
Ask literally any college professor what the cause of any racial disparity in achievement is. I guarantee you that over 80% will blame some buzzword like “systemic racism” or “redlining” or “colonialism”. It would be incredibly rare to find ANY that put even an ounce of blame on any underachieving minority group.
As I said: you have absolutely, positively, undoubtedly, not one iota or even scintilla of any kind of verifiable proof or justifiable evidence at all whatsoever that liberals or college professors "blame white people for all their problems." You want to talk about BUZZWORDS? Lol you literally just repeated the nonsense you said before. You predictably responded with nothing but more of that paraphrased rhetoric that I said you couldn't substantiate. And you didn't. And you can't.
That's because nobody "blames white people for all their problems." They just explain why the effects of slavery, Jim Crow and racism have a ripple effect that permeate in different ways (albeit watered down over the years) throughout society. People's complete and utter failure or refusal to recognize that and accept the facts, research and anecdotal experiences that are presented doesn't make racism an imaginary boogeyman, just FYI.
No, immigration law is federal in nature. I see you try to play the federalism card when convenient, even though it doesn’t apply.
I'm pretty sure you don't know anything about me or what "cards" I play and when. Another thing you don't know is the law lol. The 10th amendment of the Constitution says that states do not have to enforce federal laws, which is why some states legalized pot even though it is federally criminalized (the feds can still enforce federal laws within those states). In fact, this past June the Supreme Court refused to hear Trump's challenge to the state of California’s sanctuary law. You must have completely missed that, but it was a great win for state's rights.
But whether or not people are going through background checks is a role of the government to determine.
Under the status quo, sure.
If you stab people with a filet knife, should we sue knife manufacturers?
No, although depending on how litigious one is they can try. Knives are not as dangerous as guns though. Guns are designed specifically to kill. That's their purpose.
And whether or not manufacturers can distribute their guns to certain areas.... guess what? That is also for the government to determine. They put magazine limits and other laws if they want to restrict sales. It isn’t up to the gun maker to do the government’s job.That is just a shameless attempt at restricting gun rights by threatening manufacturers. (Meanwhile as you allude to, there is no right to drugs in the Constitution)
Yeah, so clearly you don't understand what I'm talking about. I can try to explain it again. Under the status quo the government regulates guns. The state decides things like who can purchase guns, how many guns they can purchase, what kinds of guns they can purchase, how long they have to wait to purchase, etc., and the manufacturers have essentially nothing to do with it and therefore have no liability. But that is not the standard we have for other products and industries.
Other industries DO have liability for the products they manufacture if the products are deemed particularly dangerous. I gave the example of opioids because it's the best analogy. We don't have to regulate who buys shampoo as stringently because shampoo is not designed to kill people or create life altering addictions or illness. However we DO regulate who can manufacture nukes and dangerous weapons. We do regulate who can manufacture and sell certain chemicals. We hold those people responsible if products get into the wrong hands. Similarly there is a way you can modify tort law to make it a fair and reasonable process to hold gun manufacturers liable -- you'd essentially encourage them to implement background checks so it's them doing it and not the state.
In fact, because we have a constitutional right to bear arms, one could argue the state shouldn't be doing it at all. Instead anyone should theoretically be allowed to buy a gun if the manufacturer and distributor sell it to them. Then victims can just include those manufacturers and distributors in lawsuits. For instance all the people who are litigating in court right now over allegedly getting mesothelioma from talcum powder are suing not just the company of the product they believe gave them cancer, but the people who mined, manufactured and sold the ingredients in those products as well.
So yes, in short there is absolutely a legal basis for what I'm suggesting. You can disagree but you'd need to understand tort law first.
And prior to the 1960s, we had an immigration system designed to acquire European immigrants, who were much more likely to assimilate into American culture.
You have no reason to believe that Hispanic immigrants won't assimilate. None. All evidence points to the contrary.
I remember not 40 years ago, when the country was not like it was now, that we had 49 state landslide victories.
A landslide victory is not indicative of righteousness. It's also pretty amusing to see you lament partisanship while you have taken such a hardline stance against the left lol.
However, the Dems and I’d wager to say the vast majority of their voters select candidates that are too far gone socially to ever get my vote in the next few decades.
Probably not. The majority of the party is pretty moderate, so much so in fact that Bernie Sanders lost in a landslide to a dinosaur like Joe Biden. He is considered a moderate with a history of bipartisan sponsorship. AOC and "the squad" are in the minority. They are considered political outsiders and hate the likes of Nancy Pelosi whom they see as an establishment hack. Most Dems are corporatist and economically moderate, though they do want government healthcare. So do Republicans according to polling. It's true the Dems might move the country left on some things but I don't see the Green New Deal or anything like that happening.
Also guess I’m indecent and insane because I don’t think grown men who think they are women should be in the same bathroom as little girls.
Yeah, you're probably just bigoted and don't realize it or want to admit it. The fact is there is absolutely nothing stopping grown men from going into the bathroom with little girls now. If anyone has an intent on raping or harming a little girl they can and will, and no bathroom policy will stop that. Period. Thinking some little sign on the door will stop them is as insanely stupid and naïve as thinking a "no guns" sign will stop criminals from carrying guns.
In reality the "men" who use women's bathrooms often look and dress like women. They go in a private stall (unlike men's bathrooms, you don't watch anyone piss). This is safer for them than being in the men's bathroom considering there is a history of trans people being assaulted and harassed by grown men. There is no history of little girls being harassed and assaulted in the women's bathroom. There's a history of them being assaulted and raped in general, but when people tried to talk about that it got ridiculed as a liberal crybaby movement (#MeToo) cuz rape only matters if it happens in a bathroom apparently.
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@Greyparrot
A bunch of links to race theorists doesn't prove anything. Neither does Detroit being a shit hole.
If the legal status of immigrants is what determines their utility to America, just make them all legal :)
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@bmdrocks21
They blame every bad thing currently in black peoples’ lives on white people. White people are evil oppressors and we are somehow uniquely bad because of slavery, even though the North African slave trade enslaved more white people. Just check out all of the white people who have raised black power fists, kiss/washed boots of black people, and groveled at them since the beginning of the year. It goes much deeper than that, but those are the most visible signs.
No, that is a blatant misrepresentation (paraphrase) that you completely made up. Literally. No teacher in the history of college has ever said that, you have no proof that anyone has ever said that, yet you will stand by that indefensible and unsubstantiated falsehood just because it suits your narrative of wanting to hate liberals for whatever reason. What does get taught in college are the ways slavery, Jim Crow, and subsequent racism have had an undeniable impact on black people's lives. Obviously that should be taught because it is relevant to our history, culture and society. Perhaps the (somewhat obvious) reason American slavery gets prioritized in our education is because we live in the U.S.
I don't know what you're referring to about "white people raising black power fists" since the beginning of the year. I know that after a police officer murdered George Floyd in the middle of the year, a lot of white people showed support and advocated change to the criminal justice system. I'm not sure what you think that proves.
Biden said there will be at least a 100 day moratorium on deportations, no matter what they have done.
Can you show me where he said that?
California refuses to work with ICE to help deport illegal aliens.
They are a Sanctuary State meaning they don't go out of their way to find illegal immigrants, but that doesn't mean they welcome or want to keep violent criminals so that doesn't really prove anything. Besides, you don't believe the citizens of California should get to vote on the laws that govern California? Interesting.
How are gun manufacturers negligent that they should be sued for?
Big Pharma has settled billions of dollars worth of lawsuits regarding the careless distribution of drugs they manufacture. Gun manufacturers can be held liable in a similar way if their products get into the wrong hands. We have a constitutional right to bear arms, but we don't have a constitutional right to buy a gun. The court could easily say manufacturers of dangerous products (like guns) have a responsibility to ensure those products are not abused by requiring stringent background checks and other barriers of purchase, again like opioids and other prescriptions.
But, I’d say the people who want to pervert what America has always been and was meant to be should leave first.
That's a pretty nonsensical position considering the U.S. is a nation built by immigrants. After slave labor helped make the country rich, immigrants made it thrive throughout the Industrial Revolution. The country has always been a melting pot with more immigration than anywhere else in the world since this country's inception. Do you not believe the U.S. is great and hasn't been great this whole time? Which country is better?
Even if you wanted to delude yourself into believing harmony could be achieved with one homogenous race and religion (despite how many times that's been disproven throughout history) we know white Christians in Vermont are much different than white Christians in Mississippi. There is absolutely, positively no one or right way to be American or define what America has "always been." So that's really just hyperbolic 'love it or leave it' nonsense.
I’m familiar with it being associated with dilapidated housing and housing shortages. I could be wrong. I’ll look into it.
It is, but not homelessness.
Because of their crap, I will soon not be proud to be an American. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want to become an anti-white version of Brazil.
Which crap is that? I think it's stupid to be hyper-partisan and cheer against a political party like it's a sports team. Liberals are not wrong about everything. An example of how stupid it is to devote yourself for/against one political party is to look at how much the GOP has changed just in the last 4 years alone. They've done a complete 180 where they used to be for free trade; now they're pro regulation and tariffs. All of their pro capitalism rhetoric went right out the window and most Republicans are too ignorant to have any clue what they're even cheering for.
Another example is how Republicans were firmly against increasing the deficit and would not increase spending at ALL when Obama was in office. When Trump was in office, they did another 180 and voted for the exact same things they voted against when Obama's administration proposed them. So really people just like hating shit for the sake of hating it and start yelling like monkeys. They don't even know what they're talking about half the time. I think it's pathetic to take sides like that as both parties tend to be right/wrong on various things.
It's interesting that Bernie and AOC have somehow come to define the Democrat party even though most Dems are more moderate. That's how Republicans aimed to win their political races in 2020: scaring people into thinking the Democrats are now bonafide socialists. It's not true but it worked like a charm so it was a good strategy. I'm personally not a fan of socialist politics myself. I am a fan of inclusion and non discrimination. Obviously it doesn't matter to any sane or decent human being which bathroom someone chooses to pee in, so I don't hate on Democrats for stuff like that.
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@Conway
Really, you think murder is a right? I'm kind of afraid to ask.
He was being facetious and using it as an example of why "freedom of choice" is not a real right, otherwise you would have the right to anything you choose (i.e. murder).
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@bmdrocks21
Sue’s young boy is a drag queen/gender-confused makeup artist who hates their evil oppressive White self because their liberal teacher taught them to be that way.Sue’s husband got killed by an illegal alien since the liberal government refused to deport them and made the process of acquiring a good weapon for self-defense very complex.Sue no longer lives in a serious nation because liberals made degeneracy and inclusion at all costs a religion that cannot be questioned.Sue lost her job because all of the expensive regulations and taxes made her company uncompetitive.Now Sue and her drag queen son live on the streets because rent control and regulations reduced the availability of housing.
Lol @ liberal teachers telling white people to hate themselves. File that under "stupid shit Republicans whine about but never happens." Please note that being a drag queen is pretty rad (they have great comedy shows), being a makeup artist isn't a bad thing, and being gender confused is a sad reality that has nothing to do with being liberal -- they just don't shame you for it. Caitlyn Jenner is a conservative.
Do Democrats advocate keeping violent criminals in the US? I haven't heard of that; they're usually looking to protect Dreamers and such. I also think weapons should be easier to get under certain circumstances (i.e. tort reform that makes it possible to sue gun manufacturers for negligence the way you can sue the manufacturers of other dangerous products). But that of course would make it easier for everyone to get guns, including "degenerate" groups or more dangerous folks like terrorists and ANTIFA.
And speaking of degenerates, what does "not living in a serious nation" mean? Sounds like some people hate America! If they don't like it, maybe they should leave?! Perhaps go to a less expensive country with a lower tax rate. The options are: Mexico, Thailand, Singapore, Poland, Kenya, Albania, Latvia, the Czech Republic, Ukraine and Hungary. Which one would you choose? I'd probs pick one of those cuz the only other options are way too liberal - Canada and New Zealand.
I agree rent control is pretty dumb, but it doesn't actually increase homelessness just because prices go up and rental vacancy goes down. I know that sounds counterintuitive but they've done research on it. Usually it protects the poorest and most vulnerable while fucking over the middle class, as many policies do. Womp womp.
Hey why do you hate liberals so much? Just curious.
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@Elminster
I def slight scum read you. The fact that I just "raged" and threatened to kill a doc and the people on that wagon didnt blink, when they were all online and doubled down on it.
You didn't threaten to kill a doc. You threatened to kill me and Luna, both of which haven't claimed. Water is the doc. Where did you mention him?
I think you would do this because you are cocky enough to trust your reads. So its hard to get a flat read. But yeah I prob won't take you with me, but we will see how i'm feeling
Lol I'm not cocky @ mafia. You have just legit been playing like absolute, positive flat out trash with absolutely zero utility to town. Like I said this lil gambit makes sense and I would 100% agree that scum would jump on an easy mislynch of you, HOWEVER, I made a case with multiple points (which you didn't bother responding to) so for you to think I'm going for an easy lynch against you is dumb. I went out of my way to make a case against you so that logic wouldn't fly with me bro. Similarly expecting me to change my read on you based on your petulant little tantrum is dumb. So I don't think you scum read me at all. I think you're lying :) If you said you didn't scum read me but scum read others who hopped on, I'd believe you. But your willingness to lynch me just reads so, so scummy. Especially since you know that if I were mafia I'd know you were telling the truth about your claim. The fact that I'm so willing to test it and allegedly be taken down by you proves I don't know your affiliation and therefore am town.
I think you know all this. I think you're just scum.
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@whiteflame
For what it’s worth, I’d like to get a claim from Croc, and this vote seems to be going nowhere.
If he's scum and throwing a tantrum demanding to be lynched actually gets him out of it, I'ma be pissed. But yeah I'd be down to vote Croc if that wagon builds. He's done little to nothing and probably won't for the rest of the game tbh.
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Also, let me know if y'all would prefer a 72 hour DP over 48 hours. Not sure if 48 is too short
I'd be down for extending (i.e. vote yes) but will go with whatever.
I will be on and off between now and 4:30 pm EST, then signing off and probs won't be online much tonight.
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@ILikePie5
I explain why Ronan’s Hammer and Infinity Gauntlet would be better Strongarm claims
Yes, these are the two I selected as possible alternatives.
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@Elminster
Look at the past 2 games I've did this and look whos been on the wagon. Scum always take an easy lynch
I'd actually be curious for someone to do this (I can in like an hour but not right this second). It's true that scum will jump on an easy lynch, but you're either lying about being able to take another player down or you're just straight up anti town and deserve to die. You said you'd kill Luna and he isn't even on your wagon. You switched it to me either because you expect me to cave and change my vote out of panic, or because you can use the excuse I'm on your wagon and therefore you "scum read" me. But the truth is you don't scum read me which is why you haven't asked for a claim or put up any type of fight against my reasoning. Perhaps SCUM would jump on an easy wagon, but I actually made a CASE so I legitimately think you're scum and not trying to push an "easy lynch" on you. Therefore either you're town playing horribly or scum. In either case you should die. Would you wanna get a claim from Croc first though? I'm curious :)
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@drafterman
FWIW this totally reads as a desperate, reverse-psychology gambit to not get lynched.
I completely agree. However I am willing to vote Croc as well so if you think that wagon is more likely to happen within the next 3 hours, I'll hop on that.
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@ILikePie5
I’ll also ask you if you’ve played with Mikal, what his scum play looks like?
I'd say he's pretty committed to winning and is not above any type of gambit or manipulation. His willingness to be lynched here is pretty strange and tough to read considering he has "given up" or rage quit a few times as town recently, but he usually makes some kind of effort in making a case first. He didn't try to make a case here and didn't respond at all, so he has nothing to scold people about in the end game if they're wrong. Therefore I think he's scum despite not trying very hard. Maybe we just legit caught the Strongman?! Not sure. He's prob bluffing and trying to get me to unvote him (which is why he switched from Luna to me) which I'm not gonna do. Even if he's telling the truth about his role, I've already given me reads which town can defer to tomorrow. So I ain't got no worries. You can hammer if you'd like. I think it's better than NL at this point, do you?
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@Elminster
After this game ends, you have to explain to me why playing like garbage is your new forum mafia meta now lol.
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UVC
Elminster - WaterPhoenix, Danielle, whiteflame, drafterman, Elminster (5/6)
Lunatic - Greyparrot (1/6)
WaterPhoenix - Lunatic, SupaDudz (2/6)
ILikePie5 - warren42 (1/6)
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It's weird that yesterday everyone was active around this time and today when the DP's ending soon, nobody is.
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Ho Ho Ho! I have Christmas Mafia games. For some reason I thought I was like 1 game away to host in December forums, but looks like we'll have to play them Live :P
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@ILikePie5
I definitely wouldn’t believe a bodyguard, Doctor, and BP in the same game
ICYMI a Doctor and BP in the same game makes sense with a mafia Strongman, which I suspect is a role in this game per the theme. The best character fit for that role from what I can tell is Stormbreaker (Mikal), Ronan's Hammer (Croc) or Infinity Gauntlet (whiteflame). Correct me if I'm wrong or if you disagree.
I think you should help us pressure Mikal for aforementioned reasons. If not him then Croc. Maybe both if we have time.
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@whiteflame
Croc is hard to read because he tends to be inactive or play noobish. He's always written off as a "weak player" even though he's not new. A character claim from him at the VERY least would help, which is why I brought it up yesterday.
We have less than 6 hours left in the DP. I think we should be pressuring Mikal, Croc or drafterman in that order. Warren and Pie are null to me as well, but behaviorally and otherwise (char claims) there's less reason to pressure them this day phase IMO. You're reading more and more town to me. Luna is neutral. I can't read him or Pie for shit tbh. I can usually read Greyparrot when he's around. Hopefully he adds something soon as we don't have a ton of time left.
Actually let me unvote and vtl Mikal just to move things along.
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@Lunatic
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@warren42
Thoughts on above?
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Now let's get down to POE and other reads. I know Supa and myself are town. For the sake of discussion I'm just going to assume Grey and Water are town (though I'm not convinced they necessarily are -- like Luna I hope there's not a TP, but there probably is).
I feel like whiteflame is probs town though Infinity Gauntlet as a character seems weird to me. Again I know nothing about Marvel, but it sounds TP-ish. However whiteflame indicated he was sus of his own character and talked to the mod about it (which felt sincere) so I'ma put him to the side for now. That leaves Luna, Pie, Croc, warren and drafterman.
Luna - null character, behavior. Slight points for popcorn thing.
Pie - null character, behavior. Slight points for non weapon thing.
I'm not feeling so great about Croc, drafterman and warren. I've mentioned post #79 a few times now just because it felt so shady and like Croc was feigning ignorance ("ohhh so we can still pressure scum based on characters no matter what the theme split is"). I don't even know what that means. I will say that I think Croc and Water expressing approval for popcorning, but then not voting essentially means nothing to me. Similarly warren and myself claiming late means nothing. As far as I know with the popcorn thing, you're just waiting for your turn, so having it held against you for claiming late or not voting seems weird. But Croc has felt a lil fishy and his inactivity is a bit concerning, so I'm fine voting him for at LEAST a claim if not death (I have a guess for what his claim might be but meh). I'm curious what his role is per that character. That's why I said I wanted a claim from Croc and Elminster yesterday.
As far as warren and drafterman, they haven't done anything explicitly scummy. It's still early in the game. They are in my POE pile but I don't feel the need to vote or get a claim from them yet. I have a feeling I know what warren is gonna claim. Drafter's claim will also be interesting. From what I googled about his character it seems relevant to mine (or it's from the same story) but that probably doesn't mean anything in itself.
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Trying to make the popcorn tactic useful, I figure the mafia has some traditional roles (Godfather, Role Blocker, Ninja, Strongman) and we can look at the character claims to see if any of them could fit one of those. Again I know it can be a stretch but it's just something that could be useful to consider in addition to behavior and POE.
Mikal claimed Stormbreaker. Luna described it as "a better version of Mjolnir and amplifies Thor's powers" which to me makes sense as a Strongman. I think a Strongman role would fit really well in this game, especially if there is both a Bulletproof and a Doctor.
I also don't like Mikal's behavior. First he seemed to soft claim Supersaint to Luna. I probs misunderstood that cuz apparently Luna knows what he meant, but Mikal said something along the lines of "then you better be the one to lynch me" as if to suggest whoever hammers him might die. I think that was a bluff and I wanted to see if he would outright role claim that. I don't see how that role would make sense with Stormbreaker though.
Furthermore I don't like that Mikal completely disregarded whiteflame's analysis. I agree it was mostly null character analysis, but to me it didn't read scummy per se. I guess it's because I was just in a third party PM with whiteflame last game that I don't read that behavior as suspicious. It sounds like Mikal is looking for reasons to sus someone.
Also in response to him potentially character claiming, Elminster said "If you have to ask me to do that after this dp you have not put much effort into reading it" which just sounds like lazy posturing. How the hell am I supposed to know what his role is by the end of this day phase lol. NOBODY knows. It seems like it could be quite a few things and he's just trying to make me feel dumb to thwart having to claim.
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I'm typing analysis now. Btw HAPPY BIRTHDAY, BRITNEY SPEARS. My first girl crush. Too bad she's troubled now. Brb I will post my thoughts in between work calls.
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@Lunatic
I literally know NOTHING about Marvel (which I have said many, many times over the years) and with a 2 second Google search of his character realized that Water was going to claim Doctor the second I looked it up. The fact that ya'll actually know what the those beads are and made him claim or worse voted him "for death" before a claim seems pretty dumb.
@Lunatic in the post above the one I am writing now, you said there is probs a warren and Elminster scum team. A few pages ago your town pile was: Supa, Grey, whiteflame, warren, and Pie. I actually agreed with you on that list except wondered why warren was in there. Now he is in your scum pile. Is it solely because he is Cap's Shield or is there some other reason? Also why is whiteflame in there if you said his analysis "made your head hurt?"
I'ma go read the last few pages again more closely cuz I skimmed.
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The popcorn conversation is getting boring. There are pros and cons to it. The pros are that if scum claims their real character, it locks them in to what they can potentially role claim later since there is probably some link between the two. The cons are that scum might be able to claim their real roles anyway, and they could be tipped off at what roles people have based on their character claims. It really could go either-way and we aren't sure yet, but on a cost-benefit analysis I happen to agree with Luna in this game that it was a fine place to start.
That said just because drafterman participated in it doesn't make him suspicious. He voiced his concern but had he not answered, he would have been FOS'd for that (in fact he was) so you can't say he's scummy for not participating against his will and then say participating in the popcorn against his will = scummy.
Anyways I just ordered Mexican food so I'ma sign off. Not sure if I'll be back on later tonight but probably. What do ya'll think about getting Mikal's claim? Someone explain the mjolnir thing too please.
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Preferably Mikal (wish I could edit). Btw signing off for a bit.
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@warren42
Which means @luna either mjolnir isn't in the game or it's a scum character and they fake claimed something else. Any thoughts regarding that or no?
Who claimed mjolnir? I'm not feigning ignorance -- I've never seen a single Marvel (or any other comic / superhero) movie so I have no idea what you're referring to and have to look everything up. However if you found something, then it looks like the popcorning was useful.
Re: Pie focusing on inactives, fo sho he usually does that but there wasn't really anyone inactive. The day phase started last evening and everyone posted by this morning if I remember correctly. Plus I recall him doing that as (lazy) scum. I'm usually the one being pressured lol.
At this point, as much as I'd love for everyone to vote Pie for personal satisfaction I'd prefer a claim from Croc or Mikal.
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@WaterPhoenix
so you think it's danielle, croc, you, or me?
He said he assumed Pie would be pressuring one of us, not that one of us is necessarily scum.
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@WaterPhoenix
I'm Falcon's Wings. And Supa is confirmed via the mod in the OP - he's the Innocent Child.
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Croc isn't inactive in this game so far but post #79 feels a lil fake. It couldn't hurt to get his role claim.
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@drafterman
If you expect people to cast votes readily, you're in for a longggg day phase 1.
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@drafterman
As it is, my biggest scum read right now is Water. He jumps in posts once about being okay with popcorning but then doesn't actually participate in the popcorning and leave again.
I don't understand this then. Luna started the popcorn and picked Mikal. Mikal picked Pie. Pie picked you. You passed on the popcorn in post #73. In post #81 water said he was okay with popcorning, but nobody had mentioned his name so why would he be "participating" in the popcorn? What does that mean?
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"Popcorning" is when someone claims and then tags someone else to claim, correct?
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Good morning, everyone. Am I supposed to claim or wait until I am popcorned?
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TBH seems more like YYW
Nah, YYW is desperate for validation from others. That is not the purpose of the attention sought by the OP. The author is a contrarian try hard whose mother probably never showed him much affection (perhaps cuz he's got a couple of screws loose and she's always been a bit concerned about him shooting up a school growing up - not sure). We know who it is lol.
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@Greyparrot
The worst cases of punishment usually revolved around escape attempts.
That is not why so many slaves were raped.
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@Elminster
It must show me logged in all the time then. I wasn't on FB at all (I may have signed in to Messenger for a second to see if I got any messages) and I signed on to Discord once for about 10 seconds at night. Weird :)
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Also I thought Elminster was scum because he completely lied about me "being on Facebook all day" lol I literally haven't gone on Facebook in months outside of responding to a message every few days via Messenger. He also said I was on Discord on and off when I wasn't. So I thought he was scum trying to get me lynched. I really thought scum was between Elminster, Speed and that1user lol I would have totes fucked that up badly if I were legit town.
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@Greyparrot
cause then people would be super paranoid and scared to lynch.isn't that what you wanted? by DP3 the game was half over.
Theoretically a mime would be killed DP1 or DP2 the latest (which I was) because they'd be trying to get themselves lynched as per the win condition. It's important to be lynched and not killed which was my biggest concern, hence why I claimed PGO. So by the end of DP2 you should absolutely know there is a mime in the game cuz one should be dead. Mafia could have deduced the mime was whiteflame over that1user and we would have lost, simple as that. I think it was a perfectly executed game mechanic here.
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@Greyparrot
It would have been interesting to see how the game played out if you had seen me claim PGO on Day Phase 1.
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@Elminster
I mean when we lynched you I had no idea. After the flip it was all on mafia.After I was dead and drafter wouldn't let me replace I was screaming at luna that wf was a mime lol
Lol yeah I never heard of a Mime either but tbh I like it as a TP in this set-up. I thought it was balanced with 2 scum and especially in a Paranoia theme. Like I said it's cool that once you become aware of a mime, you are hesitant to lynch a "scummy" player cuz you dunno if they are intentionally appearing scummy or not.
Pie and Croc had to use POE much like town did to try and figure out who not to lynch on DP3, while at the same time still getting others lynched to win the majority and not appear informed. I really liked it. I'm not a fan of the Jester role and normally hate TPs, but this was cool.
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I was for sure she wasn't town bases on all that Google doc shit. I just couldn't have fathomed mimes.
Ya'll knew there were mimes at the end of DP2.
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@ILikePie5
As soon as you flipped Mime, I knew we were kinda screwed. Drafter even ended up changing the town wincon which hurt us. If there was just one TP we’d be fine, but two really killed us
You needed two to make it balanced. One Mime (Jester) is a pretty dumb role cuz it's too easy to win. Two is harder because once you know there are players in the game that are TRYING to get lynched, it makes you hesitant to lynch "obviously scummy" players. I thought 2 was perfect for balance in a game based on Paranoia. In fact I hope if Mimes are ever used going forward it's in this exact set up with 2 scum and 2 mimes.
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