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@Barney
How many times now have you asked whomever the other power role is to out themselves? Doing so would tell the mafia exactly who to kill.
If you are claiming to be a mason then you can either have someone confirm you which would admittedly make you targets for a NK, but also spare you (and them) from being mislynched during the day. This is helpful to town.
Or you can hurt town by allowing us to mislynch you, not confirm another player, and oh yeah basically waste the entire point of the fucking role since a mason role is basically useless if not for confirming each other. It's not pro town to stay hidden at this point. Use your head.
And if you're claiming cop, then say something intelligent like you can investigate while the doc is on you. Your refusal to do this implies you aren't claiming cop and just claiming a mason role that you want to waste. I don't understand this at all.
The only reason I could see someone not confirming you as a mason is #1 it would prove you both guilty if one of you is caught, or #2 the other mason is inactive. If Airmax or Oro don't confirm you soon then I'm going to assume you're scum.
Again, you've chosen looking clever, over actually playing smart. Sure, I could have stayed silent and allowed a mislynch on me by not outing myself. Apparently I am a complete idiot for not doing that... Instead I shared useful information town would have otherwise not received until the mislynch.
I don't choose to look clever. If I am coming off clever then it is au naturel. I'm playing smart by looking to minimize our potential to mislynch. You've done absolutely nothing by outing yourself if it leads to your lynch today. If you do have a town role, whatever it is, you are not using it effectively.
Looking at your behavior from the outside, anyone can see that me flipping town indicates the people obsessed with this wagon are the most likely scums. If I flip town, do you agree to VTL yourself tomorrow? I doubt it.
No, because this logic is piss poor (very low level thinking) so now I'm concerned that you're actually just not a strong player and don't know what you're doing.
If I were scum, tunneling you would be stupid. I have been given many opportunities to flip flop, pressure inactives, waiver or feign confusion at how weird your "claim" was, etc., but instead I have been focusing on how anti town your behavior is and have given you many options and clues about how to potentially save yourself despite that.
You're saying that if there is another mason to confirm you, they should stay quiet so they aren't NK'd (knowing you are already a NK target). But if there is another mason, their role is utterly useless without you and your role is useless without them confirming you. So congratulations on outing yourself as one of a few power roles and making it a completely null advantage. In theory it would have been best to not know who the masons were right away, but at this point, since you already outed yourself then yes if there is another mason the ONLY utility of the role would be confirming each other as town.
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@Barney
With Danielle actively trying to help mafia with deduction (could be obsessed with looking clever instead of playing smart, but highly suspect)
There is nothing I could deduce that you didn't put out there. Stop blaming me because you did a horrible job at flying under the radar or defending yourself. You told the mafia that you had a power role, and you literally narrowed down which one you have LOL unbelievable... you do realize that if you're town, the only people you gave info to was scum, right? Because the rest of us have no idea if you're lying or not so you stupidly gave them info and us nothing but speculation. Now you're blaming me for speculating when you gave the mafia direct info about your alleged role. I'm the one trying to figure out a way for you to confirm your role, while you have't done jack shit to try and confirm yourself. Nothing about your behavior is pro town and if you're not interested in saving yourself then I'm not either. I look forward to lynching you or Lunatic today.
@Mod, replace Oro plz.
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@Lunatic
Lol. Your post reads so desperate. coal says the only person he hasn't FOS'd today is Zaradi and I. "Oh they must be scum together! Har har! They're active and can't wait to gloat." It's more likely that you'd just wanna end the game because scum was found so easily. This is such a novice (and bad) attempt at game psychology by the way -- it's not getting under my skin. Just making you read scummy.
I'd also like to note this assessment is BS since I'm the only one who has been consistently on Ragnar. coal has delayed lynching him, prodded others and voted for others so he isn't tunneling; I am. Ergo you are looking for a BS way to link coal and I and you failed.
If you're a mason, claim so we can avoid mislynching Ragnar and we can put you in the town pile.
Otherwise everything about Ragnar's game play has been retarded and I have no problem lynching you today for trying to turn the tables on me when he reads so scummy. He is blaming me for telling the mafia... exactly what he said himself? None of his whining about that makes sense either. If he is town and I am scum, then as scum I would have figured out exactly what he meant because *HE* said it. So bitching about me regurgitating what he already said is similarly desperate to you trying to turn attention towards people that have been actively participating, scum hunting and not being so blatantly anti-town.
You're not even trying to draw attention to inactives; you're literally choosing the two most active people and have not been able to respond or discredit a single thing I posted -- instead just saying I might be scum lol. Very convenient.
Please explain what you mean when you declare Ragnar a definitive mislynch. How do you KNOW he is town?
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@coal
The fact that he is both acting like he knows there is no doctor in the game and he is formulating his strategy on the basis that there is no doctor in the game suggests either that he is fake claiming because he knows at least one of the role(s) he's alluded to having isn't in the game but he doesn't know what that role is, at least exactly what that role is, yet, but he knows someone else in the game might be able, through how they react to his fake claim, to tell him what role actually is safe to hard claim so that when he's actually at L-1 he can convincingly fake claim while coming up with fake results the next day.And it already looks to me like there is some coordination to that effect going on. Potentially with TUF.
Ragnar is soft claiming cop or mason. At this point, with Objectivity dead it would be far more helpful to town to confirm two townie masons rather than allowing us to mislynch one of them today. TUF hasn't said jack shit about being mason or hasn't suggested how we could work together to confirm people. For instance, if Ragnar is soft claiming cop, then why not have doc be on Ragnar tonight and ask Ragnar for results? At this point, with him claiming a power role he is drawing attention to himself so we should be figuring out how to work around that and confirm him if we aren't going to lynch him. But that's not happening.
Ragnar is either blatantly scum or a horrible town player. If it's the latter, I would imagine TUF as town would be reassuring us that his sus behavior is just his meta and throwing out there how we can confirm him. Instead, TUF is just ignoring how bad Ragnar is playing and now trying to turn attention on other people while providing zero instruction on possible ways for town to move forward. This doesn't read town to me. I'm starting to think he's scum regardless of Ragnar's flip (like I said) especially based on his last few posts.
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@coal
Do you agree that if Ragnar is town, then Airmax must also be town?
If this is true, it's all the more reason to lynch Ragnar for info.
Ragnar says he knows the mafia has a role blocker. The only way he could know that is if he is soft claiming cop, because that is the only role besides mason for which there could be a mafia role blocker but not role cop. If he is soft claiming cop, then he would know there is a doctor in the game. But he says nothing can save him (not a doctor? not a mason?) and isn't really trying. He isn't asking to be protected during the night. He isn't asking for the chance to investigate and provide results or allow to be recruited/recruit someone else to confirm him. He's just sort of giving up, not playing and blaming that on me not tagging him (?) despite coal asking him for reads multiple times and not looking to strategize or scum hunt. None of this is pro town behavior.
If there is a mason (confirming Ragnar as the other) they should speak up to confirm themselves, Ragnar and avoid us mislynching today. Otherwise I'ma vote Ragnar based on anti-town behavior. I get townish vibes from coal, Zaradi and Sui. I'm neutral on Oro and Airmax. And behaviorally only Lunatic would be sus after Ragnar. So right now I think the scum team is most likely between Ragnar + Lunatic, Ragnar + Oro, or Lunatic and someone else - maybe Oro. It's unfortunate that Oro's read largely comes down to PoE but oh well.
It is a miracle I'm town reading you since you are not playing to your #1 town meta which is tunneling me.
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@Barney
And now multiple people (you and Coal) asking digging questions which could expose any other power roles...
The only question I asked you is why you are assuming the mafia has a role blocker instead of a role cop. At first glance it looked like all the town power roles (doctor, tracker, jailkeeper) could happen in either set-up. Now I see the only two roles that can't are cop and friendly neighbor. By saying you know the scum team has a role blocker, if you're town, you literally just told the mafia that you're the cop. So basically you gave info directly to mafia but not to town. None of this - or ANY of your behavior - is pro town. If you're going to tell the scum team what power role you have then why wouldn't you just out it directly?
You aren't doing a single thing to work with town and try and help yourself. For instance if we are using set-up #1 and you are the cop, that means there is a doctor who could protect you. Why not just ask the doctor to be on you for tonight? You aren't trying at all. If you're town you are nothing but a negative distraction and I am very comfortable lynching you at this point.
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@Barney
Why do you think Sui is scum but Oro isn't? I'm not familiar with Oro's style.
Why do you think having a power role necessitates a mafia role blocker as opposed to role cop?
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@Barney
I didn't say your role claim was a bluff. I said coupled with your behavior it doesn't exonerate you. You didn't even claim anything ;you implied a power role. You haven't suggested how to try to use it. You haven't even suggested keeping you alive so the mafia is forced to kill you. In other words, you aren't doing anything to work with town to scum hunt at all. You basically just gave up and it's been like pulling teeth to get reads from you. You're acting anti-town, so through POE you're just the best lynch candidate because I don't know if this anti-town behavior is normal from you.
I'm satisfied with Sui's posts for today (plz be more active next day phase) and would like to hear from Oro.
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@Lunatic
@Barney
Not to sound all humble sauce or anything, but I try to switch up my play style frequently to see what works and what doesn't.
Fair enough @ your last post. I'm not vtl you and I'm not saying you're definitively scum, but felt my observation was worth noting. Would you wanna NL today or pressure someone else? Regardless I don't think we should end the day phase until Sui and Oro contribute.
@Ragnar, is Oro posting in your other game?
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@Barney
Would you mind linking the post where I asked that?
That was @Sui
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@Lunatic
Thanks, I will look into the formatting later (I'm about to be on work calls for the next few hours).
Anyway I don't think being conservative is necessarily a bad thing, but I don't recall this being your play style. It's actually more of my play style. But it just seemed like if you were scum, maybe you figured out a way to win the game if we delayed lynching Ragnar a day (with Objectivity being mod killed). I know you had been working out the math so suddenly thinking maybe we should NL when Ragnar is playing so sus IMO stood out.
I don't know how anyone could have possibly missed what Ragnar claimed, so your post just felt so weird. I mean you're saying "excuse me for not wanting to draw attention to Ragnar's hint" but you drew attention to it yourself by saying "Well I think we all know what Ragnar is saying so unvote because of that." If anyone wasn't paying attention to his post, they would be after that statement, so...
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@Lunatic
How do I respond to your post? Do I need to do HTML or something?
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@Barney
Saying "now's the time" wasn't meant to be literal. People had been focusing on you and asking for your reads for several pages (the majority of the game). We already said we weren't lynching until today and after multiple other people had posted, so you weren't in danger of being lynched yesterday and I wasn't asking anyone to hammer. In fact I said not to, so this little note seems conjured up. Also, if you really do have a power role then you should probs have been paying more attention to the game or found a better way to deviate attention away from yourself. None of this behavior seems town to me, and while I admittedly don't have much memory/experience playing with you, Oro who is apparently in another game with you and can speak to your behavior is MIA.
I'd still like to wait for Oro and Sui to post before ending the day phase. Sui made two useless posts that didn't contribute anything (Airmax didn't say much either, but we can revisit that later). We were specifically waiting for Sui and Oro. Sui, please post reads. You asked not to end the DP until you posted but then you had nothing to say.
Lunatic seems scummier to me regardless of Ragnar's affiliation actually. This isn't a strong read but there's something about his posts re: Ragnar that don't feel right. Ragnar's playing reads scummy, so if Ragnar is in fact innocent, then I would suspect Lunatic for not jumping on the obvious target (allowing me to drive focus on Ragnar instead). However if Ragnar is scum, then Lunatic trying to draw away from lynching him just seems too obvious. Not only did he suggest a NL earlier (fair enough if he's okay with that in general) but #1 lynching today gives us info and #2 he was like "If you can't see why I'm not voting Ragnar today, I dunno what to tell you" or something like that. Dude... he blatantly claimed a power role lol or alluded to having a power role. So yes, we all get why you unvoted and why you insist on not voting him today. It just seems too convenient. Admittedly whichever way Ragnar flips isn't gonna make me suspect Lunatic less now (sorry) but I just wanted to throw this out there in case I die during the night.
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I can’t post more atm but Lunatic seems scummier to me. At this point I’m pretty committed to lynching Ragnar because if Ragnar is guilty, I think Lunatic reads scum. But within the next few hours I’ll reread the potential set ups and last few posts to see if NL is the best option (doubtful).
@Ragnar - the fact that you think it’s scummy I’m not tagging you or whatever is dumb because I’m not really tagging anyone. Sometimes I do and sometimes I don’t, but it’s not intentional and I never said someone not responding right away was scummy so this little assessment just sounds desperate coupled with claiming a power role. Like I said I’ll reread within the next few hours to elaborate.
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@Lunatic
Turns out I have an account there already (who knew!). I can't tell what my username is but I was able to log in with email.
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@Lunatic
Just saw this post about mislynch options. I was willing to entertain a No Lynch even without the modkill, but at this point I feel like building a lynch wagon is more useful than NL. For instance if Ragnar was scum and you unvoted him, that might have been interesting. So I do want to lynch someone but I think it's important Sui and Oro post first. I'm curious about their thoughts on Ragnar and their reads of everyone else up until this point in the game.
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I'm gonna keep my vote on Ragnar but feel strongly about Sui and Oro contributing before this day phase ends.
TUF, I'm surprised you'd vote no lynch. This seems out of character... noted.
What's discord? I'd be down to play Live mafia. I feel like I threw that out at the start of quarantine somewhere. For awhile I was so friggin bored but I've been busy this last week. A Friday night might be good cuz my partner's probably gonna be working so I won't feel bad about ignoring her.
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@airmax1227
Where do you play Live Mafia? That's what I thought this was. I thought we were setting up a Live game during quarantine because everyone was home.
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Fair or not, Objectvity is dead so now we have to figure out what to do. I believe he said we can mislynch 3x before mafia wins. His death is effectively us mislyching (down 1 townie) so if we mislynch today, then 1 more mislynch tomorrow might mean we lose -- correct?
In that case, do people still want to vote Ragnar or vtl today? I would say yes. We can probably learn more from that wagon than without.
I'd also like to note that TUF feels a bit less town than he did earlier (mostly in his responses to Airmax). But I think at this point I'd like to hear from Oro, Sui and then probably move on. If Ragnar has anything insightful to add, now's the time...
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Sui should also comment in addition to Airmax. Oro should post again as well.
@coal I skimmed your post because I TR you for now, so don't feel the need to get caught up. It seems you basically said Ragnar hasn't contributed and refused to give reads despite being asked and I agree with that.
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Does anyone think Airmax has a scum tell? (You don't have to say what it is - just if you think he has one.)
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@Objectivity
Ragnar could both be having an IRL emergency and be scum. I'm willing to wait til tomorrow (Thursday) to vtl him. Hearing more from Sui and Oro might be good too (hopefully Airmax as well). It'd be interesting to see how they respond to all this. But ideally we don't have to wait until Friday to end the day phase.
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@coal
Agree on mod psych and vtl Ragnar for today.
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@Barney
You're saying Sui didn't explain his change of read on you between post 148 and 195, but he did in post 181:
"I'm pressuring him to engage, give reads, expose his thought process in his interaction styles. as such, VTL Ragnar for activity"
I also don't think you're providing enough analysis re: TUF and Zaradi, and just seem to want to confuse town a bit. We've already agreed to not lynch them.
Right now your play is most sus.
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@Lunatic
Actually, I want to revise my list. If Airmax had to be pressured by the mod to play, then I doubt the mod would make him mafia (I don't recall if Lucky said the roles were randomly assigned or not, but I don't believe it anyways). If he thought might have to replace Airmax, I doubt he would have made him scum. Just something to think about since I do engage in some mod psych where appropriate.
@TUF - What I meant to Zaradi was that his focus on you seems like a waste of time since multiple people have already said they don't wanna lynch you today. Unless he wants to tunnel (make a strong case against you to get you lynched, specifically) he needs to post reads about other people. So far I only recall him making reads about you.
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Regarding Sui, I feel like he could have jumped on my inactivity if he were scum (knowing I said I was having a hard time getting online) but didn't which is why he is where he is on my list. However he does need to post definitive reads ASAP like I said.
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I agree with coal's message to Ragnar. @Ragnar you are responding to questions but not updating reads. Why not? What are they? This can be read as stalling which reads scummier than Airmax's inactivity.
@TUF - Zaradi's suspicion of you based on that interaction with me gives him a little town cred IMO. You really are a good mafia role player and I think the explanation of his suspicion of you made sense. It doesn't mean you don't have a good reason for what you said, but I could see why he was intrigued by it. Unless you can justify tunneling TUF this dp based on something you caught, who else would you vote for?
Ragnar, Airmax, Oro, Objectivity, Sui, TUF, Zaradi, coal is the order I'd prefer to pressure (lynch) right now.
(Sorry, can't predict what my activity will be like before 8pm just cuz I dunno when to expect video calls from work.)
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Objectivity was criticized be a few people (me, Zaradi) for being very middle of the road and not taking an objective stance. Now he is asserting an objective list of 4 suspects but the reasoning is meh. I agree there are some flaws in his logic, but it almost feels town because of that since (if Objectivity is Adam) I don't think he would make such obvious discrepancies and also because it's natural for town to have some level of cognitive dissonance on DP1 given how little we have to go on. It's weird that Objectivity says "my explanation is bad" regarding my defense of that statement (paraphrasing) since I know he agrees with me that we have little to go on DP1 to start, and my presence has nothing to do with that. That's why he started the game by vtl Airmax for a jovial reason (being a narc) and not a substantial or legitimate one. It was just random.
@TUF, the reason some people say they will type more later and not just wait is because inactivity is read as a scum tell. Objectivity called me out for being online and not posting the night the game started (I debated making a post saying I would read the following day, and in hindsight, I guess I should have). I would probs think the same about my sus inactivity if I were Objectivity which is a slight town point for him.
@Ragnar, I guess there is no contradiction in what you said per se, but it DID feel a bit manufactured - almost like you were looking for reasons to commit to pressuring Airmax and I. Inactivity is an easy way for scum to direct town's attention toward someone and mislynch for a legitimate reason. But I'm active now and if it's true I was 1 vote away from a lynch then I'm willing to move on for now. Did you post a list of reads yet or confirm who you'd be willing to lynch today?
My strongest TR is coal and Zaradi, I dunno why (TUF, why are you focusing on him? Do you scum read him or are you just defending yourself against his accusations?). I don't wanna lynch Sui or Objectivity today, but Sui definitely needs to post and take a stand on who to lynch. I don't wanna lynch TUF today. Oro and Airmax please speak up and I'll bbl or later tonight.
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@Objectivity
My top 3 candidates for DP1 lynch right now would be:
1) Airmax
2) Ragnar
3) Danielle
The two people I said I would be comfortable lynching now are Ragnar and Airmax, so we agree there. Ragnar's posts are weird and Airmax hasn't posted; I don't think he ever actually played in a game I signed up for with him. Did you explain why youwould you be comfortable lynching me? How have your contributions to this game been more useful than mine? What did I say that you disagree with?
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@coal
I am okay with pressuring TUF for reasons you mentioned, though we could also just insist he posts some more detailed reads ASAP. For now I'll keep my vote on Ragnar and wait to hear from him and Airmax. Oro should post something more substantive too. I appreciate his friendly interjections but I'm curious about his reads.
@Objectivity - You said "Danielle- You entertained for a no lynch on DP1 due to a lack of solid reads, but your own inactivity until recently contributed to that. Also, due to having an odd amount of players, a no lynch on DP1 would not buy us any more time."
By "lack of solid reads" I mean a lot of DP 1 with a bunch of vanillas is mostly fluff in my experience. It's just a bunch of people voting for each other for random reasons to start, and role claims can't even really be used to exonerate anyone. You voted Airmax right away for a silly reason. People thought I was scummy because I was busy (but I've been contributing ever since, making that initial observation null). I've been vocal about my distaste for set-ups like this, however I can see how behavioral analysis can be drawn from DP1. I just think going on behavior alone (and people's guesses -- usually the most persuasive person whether town or scum pushes a lynch against someone) makes it likely to mislynch DP1, hence my questioning about potentially not lynching. But mathematically and to look back at wagons, lynching is probably useful.
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@coal
"As between Ragnar, TUF, Airmax, and Oro, who do you most want to VTL right now? "
Not TUF cuz he's the biggest threat but also the biggest potential asset (and we can draw clues from his posts later). Oro seems to be an experienced player even if I can't read him yet. I guess I'm curious what Ragnar has to say. Honestly based on potential activity level alone (hypocritical, I know) and also the fact that I'm just unfamiliar with his personality / mafia meta, probably Airmax. But based on posts alone I'd say Ragnar.
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I agree with coal's reads. Lunatic is feeling more town to me, but I still think he's one of the best mafia role players so people should be suspect of him always.
(( Btw, TUF, I don't expect everyone to keep their OG name Mr. Philosophical (or however you spelled it) but now calling you a new name is like being asked to call someone whose name is John "Steve." It's counterintuitive :P ))
@Ragnar - If I was one vote away from a lynch, then yes it was good for you not to vote for me (not sure how many votes I had).
However I do find your post #272 to be a bit weird. "Regarding Airmax and Danielle: I am going to keep my fingers crossed that they're the scum team, and waited as a tactic to get us do their work for them. I know, highly unlikely. . . I assume Airmax doesn't suck at being scum, so I find his OMGUS joke to be a town sign." You immediately unvoted Airmax and acknowledged his schedule, but then said you're keeping fingers crossed that he is scum. Then you said his post was a town sign and you doubt he'd play that way as mafia. If you think he's playing to a town meta then why would you be crossing fingers that he and I are scum...? Sounds like you are just looking at two people to focus on for the same easy reason which has already been addressed. What are your other reads, Ragnar?
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I probably read what you said wrong (I'm very tired) but anyway that's what I thought you meant - that you voted for me because you thought I should be active. Apparently I misunderstood you. But out of those players (Sui, Objectivity, YYW) I don't see any of them but Sui really being inactive so it seemed like a weird statement. I could be reading into it, who knows. Goodnight for realz :)
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@Lunatic
In post 22 or 23 you said: "Well, most everyone I would have suspected to be inactive has posted already. VTL Danielle."
The only players who had posted at that time were Sui, YYW and Objectivity so it seemed weird to think they + me would be the only potential inactives. That's what I meant in my last post to you.
Anyways goodnight, I'll be back tomorrow before 9 or after 9.
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Everyone make sure to post something tomorrow. I can probably get online before work and if not then after work, like 9 pm. Hopefully we can wrap up the day phase on Thursday.
Thanks, Lucky, for getting this together. Goodnight.
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I just clicked the links in the OP. Sorry, I didn't know this D3 or w/e was a popular set up. I'm not used to it as I don't play Mafia outside of DDO and old DDO at that, so I'm used to a different kind of day phase one.
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@Lunatic
Oh, re: applying pressure I didn't see that the game was all (mostly) vanilla townies so I thought there would be claims to go by and catch people lying in.
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@Lunatic
So you think YYW, Sui and Objectivity were the only ones who would be inactive? Since when would YYW be inactive lol he talks a lot.
What do you think of oroigami -- does he have a scum/town tell? How about Ragnar?
What does the math say about the utility of no lynching today assuming town mislynches?
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Meh, now that I've read the OP I'm not all that thrilled about this game. A game with mostly vanilla townies is lame to me. It doesn't give the town much to go on. I know people think they can read behavior to an extent and perhaps these set ups have become the norm, but I prefer games with more roles so you can catch people lying in role claims, or lying about the action they took during the night. I guess we'll see what happens.
But TUF's note that people would just claim Vanilla (true) can almost read like a noted utility than the hindrance it obviously is. I'm curious why he voted for me to start. I wasn't active and I honestly have no clue what he meant by me playing Mafia recently (I haven't played since DDO, like, three years ago).
I didn't read coal's long posts with analysis at all because it's going to be well thought and make some sense whether he's scum or not, so it'll be more helpful to review later than to get distracted by now. I'll say he leans town. I'll say Zaradi leans town for aforementioned reasons. Sui seems townish too. There's only so much stock you can put in DP1 with no real possible role claims.
Airmax's post felt forced, though not necessarily scummy. Objectivity's posts were so neutral (even about my absence) that they lacked substance and can read being too careful. Ragnar's been meh. Not voting for me felt a bit contrived since I don't think I was that close to being lynched (not positive) but other than that, his few contributions have been fluffy. Orogami is not familiar to me and needs to post more for me to dissect I guess. And TUF is always tuf for me to read. At this very moment I feel comfortable saying scum is probs among these five.
I'm voting for Ragnar but could probably be swayed to cast a vote for TUF or Orogami if people agree lynching is in town's best interest today. I don't think it always is but it might be in this game with so many vanillas - not sure. Thoughts on possibly no lynching today just to avoid a (very likely) mislynch?
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I'd like to pressure Ragnar, oromagi, Lunatic or Airmax. Everyone else seems townish atm. Ragnar's post directed at me seemed weird. Oromagi's posts felt weird too, but I don't know who he is or how he plays.
@Sui - I don't know how to directly respond to your last post, but re: Zaradi, the post where he mocked Objectivity for being neutral in his assessment felt town (and it was also an accurate criticism - Obectivity IS being very middle of the road, though it's a bit early to determine if it's too intentional).
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@Barney
Oh nvm. Ragnar didn't vote for me - he said he was looking to avoid accidents so he wouldn't vote for me. Thanks? I don't think I was that close but yeah, good move.
The only townish read I have right now is Zaradi which is odd since I usually find him hard to read.
@coal, you seem townish I guess but I don't get why you read TUF town. He is notoriously hard for me to read, but nothing he's said so far jumps out as town to me.
I'd be willing to pressure Airmax, but I don't know if I have a good reason other than POE. Sui reads kinda town to me. So does Objectivity.
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Why couldn't people keep the same username -_-
I was gonna OMGUS anyone who insisted my inactivity was scummy if they happened to be Facebook friends with me (especially Sui). In that case they'd know I haven't been online in a few days, so when I say I'm really busy at work, they'd likely know it's true. I also told Sui in particular via message that I was having trouble signing online days ago when he told me role PMs were out before the game even started, but he didn't mention my inactivity being fishy and the few people that did bring it up didn't seem to be pushing in a weird/aggressive way. It was fair with limited info to go on. If anything Ragnar's post voting for me felt a little weird. I'd be willing to pressure him or TUF, and since people seem to think TUF leans town I assume pressuring Ragnar is a safer bet. Thoughts?
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I'm here. Skimmed the DP and was confused by the names being thrown out -- is Sui's list correct?
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Hi! I noticed someone tagged me through my email. Work is crazy but I'm hoping they leave me alone at like 9pm tonight (EST) so I should be back then to read through the day phase.
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@HistoryBuff
A Trump win will ensure that no progressive legislation gets pushed through for the next 4+ years, and that the Supreme Court will lean conservative for decades to come. You can kiss goodbye any fantasy about nationalized industries (healthcare) or government mandates, and you can watch civil liberties disappear in conservative states especially.
Deluding yourself into thinking that you can somehow change "the DNC" by allowing Trump to win is just silly. It is not remotely progressive (and in fact, it is ANTI progressive) to commit to all progressive legislation being dead on arrival under another Trump term.
Sitting out the election or letting Trump win = Republican Congress. Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders would have the same Congress... ya know, the body of government that actually passes laws.
It literally makes no sense for Bernie Bros to take some self-righteous moral high ground approach. Unless you can't bring yourself to vote for a rapist (and you believe the allegations against Biden) a progressive has no logical reason not to support Biden - especially since Biden hinted at only wanting to run for one term. If he picks Warren as VP, I will definitely vote for Biden. If he doesn't I'll be undecided, but that's because I'm not progressive.
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The OP is more conspiracy theorist nonsense. The extent of the virus may be overblown (too soon to tell, though numbers are looking "flu like") however all of those #FilmYourHospital videos are incredibly stupid and prove nothing.
I had no idea so many people were conspiracy theorists until Covid19. Lol @ Bill Gates' mission to depopulate the world through 5G.
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@Dr.Franklin
I have Madden 19 and never got the new one because all I play is franchise mode anyway. Should I get 20? Do you play on PS or Xbox?
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I'm not sure if this is a "leftist" hypocrisy so much as a "believe all women" hypocrisy. As stated above, many leftists have favored due process for everyone all along. And many in the "believe all women" crowd have in fact disavowed Joe Biden (primarily for Bernie Sanders, and have refused to vote for Biden).
A lot of Joe Biden supporters are independents, moderates, or Never Trumpers... and I use the term "supporters" loosely.
I agree the media should be paying more attention to this, but to be fair, all anyone is covering is Covid19.
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