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I'm going to have to start hedging my bets in case Trump wins. I don't want some liberal lecturing me on how voters should have voted for Biden despite the complete lack of any communication skills to be the last thing I hear as I am tossed into a gas chamber for being a race traitor or some other dumb shit.
Maybe they'll separate the death camps into different categories so if I convince the 88ers that I am gay they will throw me in a gay camp instead of a liberal camp and I at least won't have to hear the lecture. Worth a shot at least.
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@WyIted
Do you think if I said everyone wants world peace I mean everyone or do you thinknits hyperbole and I am excluding people like Jeffrey Dahmer
He did say that democrats specifically wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade. Come on, dude. It's one thing to pretend that an unpopular position is popular by hiding behind hyperbole but Trump couldn't even do that properly.
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@Double_R
stopping to fact {check} the other guy every 5 seconds.
He didn't do a good job at that either though.
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@Moozer325
Could you catch Trump's BS and call it out in real time and explain in simple terms why it was BS? My bet is that you could if you tried. Trump certainly wasn't making a good show of it so that would be a pretty easy task. Doing so would be a basic demonstration of your grasp on a skill called communication. Biden was not able to do this.
Communication is, like, a politician's one thing. It's basically their entire purpose. Biden was not able to demonstrate his grasp of this skill. Again not a hard task either, it's Donald fucking Trump. If Biden isn't able to meet that low bar for something that is a politician's most important skill then he should step aside for someone that can.
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What on earth are you talking about?
Your claim that Biden was "making the case for why people should vote for him" (which is why I quoted that part of your post).
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@Double_R
making the case that people should vote for him.
That's not a thing that happened and if Trump wins it will be because of liberal fever dreams like this, exactly like in 2016.
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@TheUnderdog
If such a man shows up (which I think doesn't happen), then the voting officials would kick him out. But this doesn't happen.
It's not always at the booth location, and local officials don't always get involved even when they should.
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@TheUnderdog
The OP does not have the word, “hypocrisy” in it. I do not believe hypocrisy and inconsistency are synonymous.
I agree. This was the source of confusion for 3rutal, who is apparently a lingual prescriptivist.
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@Double_R
Biden’s performance was abysmal, but there really is no format that can solve the problem of debating someone who has no regard whatsoever for reality coupled with a base that couldn’t care less.
Bullshit. What you do in that situation is call them out and relentlessly make fun of them for it. Anyone with a damn pulse could have done that in this case given how little effort Trump put into it last night. Biden's performance was absolutely inexcusable.
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I'm not sure if MAGA supporters actually don't believe General Kelly or just don't care. I've been called worse by MAGA folks for my military service so the latter is believable.
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@3RU7AL
When TheUnderdog uses the word hypocrisy here he is referring to the idea of taking positions that are ideologically inconsistent, he is not talking about mere inconsistencies in rhetoric. That is the idea I was responding to.
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@TheUnderdog
Ukraine is probably blowing up plenty of civilians as well.
Intentionally and by the thousands? Where?
So they support anti semites?
Generally speaking the American right are happy to ally with anti-semites, yes.
Do you think there is a large group that wants funding for Israel and not Ukraine? How would they be consistent?
This is the stance of many European right wing parties. I did mention that the nationalism aspect means the right wing diverges strongly from one right wing group to another when it comes to geopolitics even where they agree on everything else. Netanyahu is strongly right wing so the only thing that keeps many American right wingers from supporting them is the Jew thing. Any right wingers that didn't have a problem with Jews, such as your boy Ben Shapiro, would obviously not have that problem.
Take the Azov militia in Ukraine as another example. They are strongly right wing and nationalistic but because they live in Ukraine they are nationalistic for Ukraine and therefore have no choice but to be against the Russian invasion even if Russia's domestic policies are closer to what they would like than the current Ukrainian government's domestic policies.
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@TheUnderdog
Not all things that can be lumped into a rough category are the same. In this case, supporting Israel and supporting Ukraine is not the same. These are two different conflicts with different circumstances surrounding them. Your inability to see this is what causes you to see inconsistency where there is none.
Pro-interventionist leftists supporting Ukraine and not Israel is because Russia is an autocratic expansionist state and Israel is blowing up civilians. Leftists ideology is against autocratic expansionist regimes and against blowing up civilians, making Ukraine the "good guys" and Israel the "bad guys" from a leftist standpoint. It is possible to disagree with this stance but it is a perfectly consistent stance.
Pro-interventionist liberals and conservatives supporting both Ukraine and Israel is because supporting Ukraine hurts Russia and supporting Israel hurts Iran. Liberal and conservative ideology favors actions which harm geopolitical rivals of the United States such as Russia and Iran simply because they are geopolitical rivals, making Ukraine and Israel the "good guys" from a liberal and conservative standpoint. It is possible to disagree with this stance but it is a perfectly consistent stance.
Pro-interventionist American right-wingers supporting neither Ukraine nor Israel is because Russia is an autocratic expansionist state and Israel has Jews in it and pretends to be pro-Jewish. American right-winger ideology is in favor of autocratic expansionist regimes as long as they are nominally white and they are against Jews, making Ukraine and Israel the "bad guys" from an American right-winger standpoint. It is possible to disagree with this stance but it is a perfectly consistent stance.
Note that I specify American right-wingers because right-wing ideology leans strongly into nationalism and so right-wingers from one country cannot usually be lumped in with right-wingers of other countries for the purposes of geopolitical analysis despite usually agreeing on the majority of non-geopolitical topics.
The last broad category here would be anti-interventionist folks, which obviously can come from a wide range of ideological backgrounds including leftists, liberals, conservatives, right-wingers, and others. You seem to fall into this category so I assume you are most familiar with this mindset. The consistency in this case is that anti-interventionists consistently do not care who the good guy or bad guy is up to a certain point, though how bad a bad guy has to be before they do start to care varies from one person to the other within this category. It is possible to disagree with this stance but it is a perfectly consistent stance.
The truth is that while the appearance of hypocrisy is common in politics actual hypocrisy is rather rare. Most of the time when a person seems to have hypocritical stances of some kind it is because either you are misunderstanding their reasons behind a certain stance or they are lying about their reasons.
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@TheUnderdog
Also anything that any whites at all support is by definition not racist against whites and anything that any men at all support is by definition not sexist against men.
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@TheUnderdog
I'm not sexist because I have a girlfriend.
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@TheUnderdog
I was hoping you could pull some strings to convince them to voluntarily re-associate with me but I guess if you don't have a Reddit account that's not going to be easy.
Stay cool, slick.
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@WyIted
You seem like the type of guy that would say the Mises caucus is libertarian lol.
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@TheUnderdog
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Yo, Underdog, I need you to talk to your nerd friends over at r/Libertarian. They banned me for being anti-statist. I know you got the connects dawg hook a brotha up.
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Editor's Note: 33 trillion divided by 330 million is 100,000 not 1,000,000
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Funny thing is that if that time passes and there is no massive die-off and I necro this thread four years from now asking you about that claim you won't admit you were wrong.
Weird that I got so much flak for this prediction considering I was basically predicting that the sun would rise in the morning.
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@Moozer325
How about we honor the history of white people by going and commits some good old fashioned genocide?
Apparently cats are genociding white people or some such schizo shit. Celebrate July by petting a cat.
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January 2022: Russia won't invade Ukraine, USA is fear mongering.
February 2022: Kiev will fall in a week.
March 2022: The Kiev attack was just a feint.
April 2022: The Moskva sinking was just bad weather.
May 2022: Just 'repositioning' in Kharkiv.
June 2022: HIMARS are an unacceptable escalation.
July 2022: HIMARS won't make any difference.
August 2022: There will be no mobilization.
September 2022: No panic in Balakliia.
October 2022: The mobilization is only partial.
November 2022: Just 'repositioning' in Kherson.
December 2022: Ukranians will all freeze in the winter.
January 2023: Abrams and Leopards are an unacceptable escalation.
February 2023: Abrams and Leopards won't make any difference.
March 2023: Patriot missiles are... you get the idea.
April 2023: Patriot missiles won't make any difference.
May 2023: After over a year we finally captured this town of 70,000 people.
June 2023: Just 'repositioning' in... Rostov-on-Don and Moscow???
EVERYTHING IS GOING ACCORDING TO PLAN
EVERYTHING IS GOING ACCORDING TO PLAN
EVERYTHING IS GOING ACCORDING TO PLAN
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@ILikePie5
Very ironic this statement
How so?
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@ILikePie5
My senpai Donald Trump told me that early voting is fake news.
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@oromagi
For some reason I thought the deadline was 11pm on the 19th, not 18th. I planned on voting this evening. I assume something similar would have happened with you oromagi, I didn't see your name on the tally. Would have tied it up between the two of us.
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@PREZ-HILTON
How long left until all the reptilians use the vaccine to leech our precious bodily fluids into the twenty fourth dimension or whatever? The OP said 36 months about 18 months ago, so 18 months left if the timetable holds but the timetable might have changed since then. What is your expert opinion on this?
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We have about 1.5 years until the timer is up on the prediction though so I guess we will see.
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@PREZ-HILTON
Nah broski, liberals aren't the only ones telling you that this Fishman guy os a nutter. As you van clearly see above I am doing so as well.
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@Mharman
Just as a small tip for the future, if someone says "X is good because Y completely unrelated thing is bad" there are better ways of arguing against X than by arguing in favor of Y
(In this context the X was dictatorship and the Y was circumcision, but the same is true no matter what X and Y are).
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@Best.Korea
Oh, I assumed that if I could figure it out with only about 10 minutes of clicking around the site after being gone three months then you weren't trying to hide it. If you were trying to hide it then... my bad I guess. Super sorry.
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@Best.Korea
It was a while ago. Quick refresher...
You started this thread by claiming the illuminati were going to kill off billions of people using vaccines or something gay like that. In post 13 I said that you were wrong about the illuminati trying to genocide people via vaccines. In post 29 you said that if I was wrong about that then I would never admit it.
So, since I will be reviving this thread every few months the good news for you is that if it turns out that I was wrong and everyone dies then we will be able to test whether I am willing to admit to being wrong. I won't be able to get away with pretending I never said that.
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@Best.Korea
If the illuminati does genocide us all then this will be a chance to test the prediction you made in post 29 as well, so look forward to that if you still stand by this childish silliness.
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I decided I will pop in every few months for this thread so I will remember to check in on the deadline as promised in post 13. Maybe make a couple random posts elsewhere when I do so.
Anyway, population still hasn't been genocided by the illuminati yet but we still have 1.75 years to go.
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@Mharman
Policy-wise, Trump did a lot that was appreciated. Most notably he was strong on the economy
What is the best measure of the health of an economy of we can't use GDP growth?
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@Lunatic
@Wylted
@blamonkey
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@Mharman
The infection of the trend described in the first post of this thread into debateart is something I have noticed and alluded to in the past, and I am not exaggerating when I say this is precisely 100% the reason I don't find this community to be worth my time in posting anymore. It's not 80% the reason I stopped posting but there were other factors involved or anything like that, it is THE reason and Double_R touching on the reason for me semi-quitting is the only reason I decided to make a few posts today. I still lurk for a few minutes every few days but suspect even that will soon stop.
To be clear, and this should be obvious to any thinking person but the thread got derailed a bit by people using the tactics described in the opening post so I probably need to clarify, I am not saying that I stopped posting because people exist that are pro-Trump. If that is what you got from the above then you need to work on your reading comprehension. I am specifically referencing the tactic of "thought terminating cliches" and the toxic personality that tends to develop around those that use such quippy one-liners to "win" a conversation. (what the fuck is winning a conversation anyway? nevermind, this post isn't about that).
So yeah, I never made a formal goodbye post so I guess this is it... hence the multiple tags. It's been a fun 8 years folks, but the name I chose to represent me is latin for "student of learning" (ignore the fact that it is a poor quality translation) because that phrase encapsulates my goal when I joined DDO eight years ago, to expose myself to others of different views who use reason to explain why they have those views and learn from these reasoned arguments. I realized a few months ago that this community no longer helps with that goal and has not done so for quite some time, and this opening post perfectly explains why I came to that conclusion.
So yeah, I can only tag 5 people so I'll just tag a handful that I have known from the beginning when I first joined DDO and if it turns out that I never relapse into posting again (god I hope I don't) and anyone else not tagged here ever asks "hey, where did DD ever go off to?" just link them here.
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One year down, two to go. Start working on your bucket list, folks.
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Opinion: Missing MaxBy Trump Porter
I logged in after several months away solely to point out that the canon name for this individual has been established in previous editions of the BARD as Trum Porter, not Trump Porter.
And you thought your readers didn't notice the little details ;-)
Anyway, off to return to the real world unless the BARD draws me back again. ttfn.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
What if I said the 8-year-old's inability to properly consent like you describe wasn't enough reason to say that the 30-year-old was being fucked up?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Okay, so is a 30 year old 'bribing' an 8 year old to consent to sexual acts something that you think is okay?No.
Why?
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@Lemming
@badger
I found a website that lets people play a game that is pretty much Settlers of Catan under a different name for free. I propose we play a few rounds with the house rule that Lemming isn't allowed to trade.
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I would think that taking a neuroscan of human psychopaths and comparing it to human non-psychopaths would be more efficient. That said I don't know nearly enough about neuroscience to judge whether even that any validity, though it certainly seems worthy of at least bringing up to someone that does.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
They [children] are not sexual creatures until pubescence, they can understand the physics and consent to the physics but they won't (without bribes) because they have no sexual urges to motivate them.
Okay, so is a 30 year old 'bribing' an 8 year old to consent to sexual acts something that you think is okay?
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@Mharman
If he really did say that, you have a solid point that I can’t argue. Link?
I was paraphrasing a bit. The exact relevant quotes and cooresponding post numbers come from the bestiality thread (post 69 is multi-paragraph so I cut out the less relevant bits, feel free to double check that I am not taking his words out of context after reading this post) and are as follows:
ADOL (69): Are physical harm and lack of consent the only reasons to condemn underage sex?DD (70): Holy shit... does there need to be another reason?ADOL (71): In the context of maintaining the general opinion on underage sex: Yes there needs to be another reason. If there wasn't another reason you would have to treat two 16 year olds having sex the same way you treat a 46 year old man having sex with a 16 year old.
So on one hand no he isn't directly saying "sex with minors is okay", but on the other hand that's not what I claimed. Compare the above exchange to my paraphrasing in post 20 of this thread, which was what you asked me to back up and read as follows:
Concern over physical harm and lack of consent are not sufficient reason to condemn sex with minors.
He has later gone on to say that while these arguments are insufficient that doesn't mean he doesn't think there are other arguments which are sufficient. Technically grammatically correct I suppose, though he hasn't to my knowledge actually directly said what these hypothetical other arguments might be.
He went on to clarify that the reason these reasons are insufficient is because not every act of pedophilia is necessarily physically harmful or done without consent (post 26 of this thread) so take what you will from that.
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@ILikePie5
extravagant lies
Pretty sure that's not why he was... wait, is this that weird thing you and GP do where you start talking in weird pop-culture references unrelated to anything other people are saying like an angsty tween having a stroke?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Just because you can't think of a good reason besides those not to have sex with minors doesn't mean I can't
Never said I couldn't. I can, but unlike you I would say those two alone are sufficient.
You didn't continue this discussion with me, fine you don't have a duty to debate
If you want to debate the resolution "Physical Harm and Lack of Consent are Sufficient Reasons to Condemn any Sexual Act" then send the challenge and I will accept it.
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@ILikePie5
Well it's not Nazi Germany and saying it is is pretty extravagant to say so I guess you're technically right that it's an extravagant lie but I wasn't saying that, just pointing out that you were being needlessly over-dramatic. I guess the implication that I was calling you a liar was itself a lie, though that particular lie was hardly extravagant.
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@ILikePie5
Welcome to Nazi Germany folks.
I think I disagree with the ban (comes down to whether Wylted actually threatened to doxx, which idk if he did I haven't seen the post in question) but comparing a 0th world problem like not being allowed on a web site for a few months to Nazi Germany seems... a bit extreme...
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@Mharman
Well ADOL did say that "concern over physical harm and lack of consent are not sufficient reason to condemn sex with minors" so... yeah, he seems pretty openly pro-sex-with-minors. I don't see Wylted's use of the term "pedophile" as a shorthand for that as being too far off the mark grammatically speaking. The fact that Wylted didn't have a video of ADOL having sex with a kid seems pretty irrelevant to that point.
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