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@whiteflame
You an x shot? No more hiding power levels this is life or death.
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@WyIted
Savant is now town confirmed as well.
Thank you Wylted. I struggle to imagine where we would be without this.
Need Casey to full claim. I have a theory.
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Okay what is this bullshit about 3 roleblock claims?
Okay what is this bullshit about 3 roleblock claims?
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I have read none of the DP except that post Wylted tagged me in. I will do so when I get home, just got off work.
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@WyIted
I need you guys input. any results?
I got role locked, which scum confirms WF as far as I am concerned. No way scum block someone that hasn't claimed over a cop claim.
VTL Whiteflame
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@ILikePie5
I don't see the point of engaging with that. If you aren't scum nothing I say is going to convince you that you are and if you are then you aren't just going to admit it so it would just become a fluff argument cluttering the next DP.
If otherwise want to see my reasoning they can go back and look at my previous posts, my break is over in 2 minutes. If we get an extension my second break might happen before DP ends.
If otherwise want to see my reasoning they can go back and look at my previous posts, my break is over in 2 minutes. If we get an extension my second break might happen before DP ends.
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@Lunatic
If an extension is wanted I can grant one if three or more people want it
I will add my signature to this petition.
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I can see the logic for a no lynch at this point, still don't like that pie wanted it back when it was still a bad idea.
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Walked into a clusterfuck at work that I am actively choosing not to be part of so took my break early.
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@Mharman
If anything important happens tag me with the TLDR, I won't have time to go through everything and make an informed decision on my 15 minute break and you are the only one I trust to give a reliable summary.
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I missed a lot of posts in that hailstorm. I will not be rereading them. Going to work now and will check in on my first break which is less than an hour before DP ends.
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@Barney
@Casey_Risk
Do not read anything between my last tag to you guys and this one. It will only cause severe brain damage and neither of you deserves that. All you need to know is that 420 got themselves modkilled. Please vote pie now. Or whiteflame, idgaf. One of those two. Pie has more votes on them though.
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@Mharman
Yeah sure. Like I said I am okay with a pie lynch even if we have different reasoning for it.
VTL pie
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@420-1776
so I commit suicide in the context of this game.
You already did this without even knowing that you did it. That is how little you understood the game you signed up for.
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He isn't going to stop either. He is going to continue responding to every single post that tagged him without reading any of the posts that are tagging him as he does so until he gets to the end.
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Okay immediately rethinking post 567 in light of post 566...
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@Mharman
You know what? I think you’re just trolling at this point.
I fully believe that he genuinely doesn't understand the game.
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@WyIted
I am not going to play with him and I should not be alone in this opinion
You aren't. the "because he didn't read the rules of the game he signed up for" was the hint that I was being sarcastic.
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Guys, he didn't know it was against the rules because he didn't read the rules of the game he signed up for. Can you really blame him for that?
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@Lunatic
Okay well, your turn to handle this.
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@420-1776
Any questions so far?I think I understand. But how will I figure out who committed the murder?
There have not been any murders yet. The first murder will come in NP 1. We are in DP 1. It goes DP1--->NP1--->DP2--->NP2---> etc.
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@Mharman
Bruh. I’ll let Disc handle that.
lmao already got it before I saw this
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@420-1776
Please say and bold the following. It must be bolded:
VTL whiteflame
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@420-1776
I'm an alt of someone. I don't want to say who.
We already know who you are Alec. The DP ends in 5 hours. I know you don't know what that means, it's really frustrating that you signed up for a game but aren't playing.
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@Mharman
I don't think we are going to get Savant to vote for WF and I don't think we are going to get wylted to vote for pie (happy to be proven wrong in either case though). I have to go to work in 2 hours so it is up to you to get Casey and Barney on board with one of those lynches. My first break is less than an hour before the DP ends, I will leave my vote on WF but if pie is L-1 I will hop on that.
We are dangerously close to a no lynch. This is why I don't like waiting for the last minute.
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@WyIted
I agree with your reasoning for saying the slip theory is a bit iffy but pie is pushing way too hard for a no lynch for my comfort.
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@WyIted
Did everyone literally miss where I CCed him?
Not everyone. Literally only Savant missed it.
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@Mharman
Oh, you’re also already looking at Pie more. Word.
Yup. New conspiracy theory just dropped... it's whiteflame and pie with pie pushing the no-lynch because he is defending his buddy.
I'm cool with lynching either one.
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@Savant
Also you can't accuse me of tunnel vision when I literally just took my vote off Pie.
I was referencing your tunnel vision of assuming WF was town even after the CC.
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@Mharman
If I die tonight follow your heart on that Pie scum read. I think you were definitely onto something.
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@Barney
@Casey_Risk
It's up to you two to vote for the guy that is basically a CCed cop with a weird justification.
420 isn't going to vote for whiteflame because he isn't playing
Savant isn't going to vote for whiteflame because of his tunnel vision
Whiteflame isn't going to vote for whiteflame because he is whiteflame
Pie isn't going to vote for whiteflame... God knows why... probably whiteflame's scum buddy.
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I cannot think of any combination of roles that could end it on NP 1 in a town victory.
This was a typo. It was meant to say the following:
I cannot think of any combination of roles that could end it on NP 1 in a mafia victory.
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We have a train, but we also have 15ish hours. Do not hammer here, you will look scummy.
This statement is false. Hammer if you want to Hammer, 15 hours is not a lot of time and even if it was there is no point waiting for the last minute unless you want something specific.
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@WyIted
Alright I started writing that last post of mine before you voted for WF and I didn't check for updates before posting it. Help get pie on board now please.
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@ILikePie5
@WyIted
Alright dinner done now to argue against the no lynch as promised. I only remember wylted and pie floating this so I will address them directly.
Pie:
I don't like the no lynch idea. Even lynching a townie gives us info.I’d usually agree but Luna said the game is very swingy meaning the game could be over very fast.
I cannot think of any combination of roles that could end it on NP 1 in a town victory. Most likely he means either a big or a bomb make it possible that scum could lose NP 1, I think us townies have nothing to fear.
Wylted:
I would be most comfortable with a mharman lynch this DP, but prefer a no lynch.
Not really giving a reason here so I assume your reasoning is similar to pie in which case see above.
For my part a big part of why I do not want to no lynch is in general town obviously benefits from lynching as a mechanism of gaining info via analyzing the lynch and also removing players that are more sussed by town so we don't have to worry about them being mislynched at a critical MyLo or LyLo moment but there is another thing to consider that makes lynching the better move here. That thing is the odd vs even numbers of players.
Every DP-NP round results in, usually, two deaths. One lynch and one kill. If we assume that there will be at least one mislynch at some point past NP 1 and we assume that the town chooses to no lynch in a MyLo scenario then we have the following scenarios.
Scenario 1 (no lynch DP 1)
DP/NP 1 - 1 kill, 8 players left (6 town 2 mafia).
DP/NP 2 - 1 lynch and 1 kill, 6 players left (4 town 2 mafia - MyLo)
DP/NP 3 - 1 kill, 5 players left (3 town 2 mafia)
As you can see this scenario comes with a total of 3 kills and 1 lynch. This means that the 3 towniest players are no longer in the game and only one highly scum read player is eliminated, meaning many other of the 3 remaining town players will be widely scum read town that made it to endgame. Considering this and the fact that perfect play is required from them on to win this is a scenario where the odds highly favor the Mafia.
Scenario 2 (mislynch DP 1)
DP/NP 1 - 1 lynch and 1 kill, 7 players left (5 town and 2 mafia)
DP/NP 2 - 1 lynch and 1 kill, 5 players left (3 town and 2 mafia)
In this scenario there have only been a total of 2 kills by the time endgame comes rather than 3, meaning less chance for scum to eliminate highly town read townies thus increasing the odds that the next lynch will be correct.
Scenario 3 is one where we correctly lynch DP 1. I won't explain why that is a better scenario because it is obvious.
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@ILikePie5
Why?
Because he is a good little capitalist boy that will not fall for your commie nonsense.
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unvote VTL whiteflame
I think the general consensus is between this and a no lynch. I will attempt to epically debate everyone out of the no lynch idea after dinner.
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@Mharman
I hope y'all did so, because I want to hear yours and get thoughts on mine
Your top theory matches with mine, though I am less sure of Savant than I was before. His tunneling of pie seems like potential town behavior to me. I don't agree with the pie scum read but there is the thought that if Savant was scum he would see it was going nowhere and back off of it.
I can honestly see where you are coming from with the DD-pie theory. I know it is incorrect obviously because I know I am town but it is a solid piece of analysis which solidifies my town read on you. I also got some potential buddying vibes from pie a few pages ago after he dropped a reads list that basically matched mine and had me as a top town read. I am not going to worry about it now but I have decided I am going to reassess him from scratch when DP 2 comes around.
I see where you could be coming from with the pie-wylted theory but from memory I think this kind of interaction is normal between them no matter their affiliations. I don't think it is likely.
I still think Casey and 420 are town. How long has Casey been playing? I get the impression that they aren't a noob but might not have as much experience as some others here either.
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@ILikePie5
Okay. That is vaguely how I remember him as town so you and several others saying that is what his town play is like makes me want to just assume it is true.
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@ILikePie5
Plus he tends to be a backbencher as scum.
Is he as town as well?
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Ultimately I think of we lynch Barney and we are wrong we lose a fluffy machine vs if we lynch Whiteflame and we are wrong we lose an engaged player and cop.
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@WyIted
What should I be looking at with barney to change my mind on that town read?
Like you said this is how he always is as town or scum and I haven't played with him in years so can't distinguish which myself.
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Barney is at the top of my lynch list. After rereading a bit I think Whiteflame is at the bottom, still on it though.
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@Savant
88ers in general don't see Trump as the Messiah the way evangelicals do (literally, in an uncomfortable number of cases) but instead as a useful tool.
No more derailing though. It seems Whiteflame is in a lot of people's lynch list. Even if you don't scum reaf him is he a solid town read for you or are you just against lynching claimed cops DP1?
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@WyIted
Okay you got me, It's actually Henry Kissinger
BS we all know you meant Hitler. Quit the derailing now.
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