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Biblical verses/stories which don't really fit?
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@Dr.Franklin
Like what? God exists independent of the Bible. 

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@Dr.Franklin
Your version of God can't exist without the Bible being absolutely true, I tell you that's hog wash lol, God exists despite the flaws of the Bible! God's perfection (whatever that means) is not dependent on the Bible. 
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@SkepticalOne
Absolutely. The Bible itself is not necessary for the progression of spiritual growth.

While this is absolutely true, there are things within the Bible that are true. Meaning there are principles that could lead you to spiritual growth. 
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Contradictions in the Bible thread!!
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@SkepticalOne
So what's the hang up, let's start with something more realistic. Coming from your point of view and ignoring religious stupidity. 
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Exodus: fact or fiction?
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@SkepticalOne
I actually really like you, but the subjects you create are nauseating, I feel like maybe you could do much better, perhaps reach a little deeper in religious topics. What stops you from connecting at a deeper level??
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Exodus: fact or fiction?
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@SkepticalOne
I would like to see you not only observe something different, but something relevant for Gods sake. Anything, please....
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EVOLUTION VS CREATION IS USELESS
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@Dr.Franklin
Interpretation is everything, it's what separates the men from the boyz lol. 
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@Dr.Franklin
It's just a matter of perception and perspective. So yes, it's a matter of "belief" or perception when it comes to perceiving or interpreting the evidences. I've been saying this the whole time, and why I tell materialists and atheists to consider the nature of energy and how it operates in creation. It's the nature of energy that shows the nature of God (consciousness) and creation, energy exists because of conscious activity, conscious activity produces energy. That's why you see energy acting as intelligence in creation because it's activated by intelligence, energy is manipulated by a conscious reality. 
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Who are you?
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@TheRealNihilist
Perception and creativity make what you consider individual expressions. 
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@Dr.Franklin
Did you know that there is a process of creating things? that process includes what we label "evolved"....it's how the Creator puts together from and embodiments. They don't just poof into existence lol. There is a process of creating things, forms and environments. 
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@Dr.Franklin
contradictions dont exist in the Bible

Even if they did, it's irrelevant. Irrelevant to the progression of spiritual growth. 
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Contradictions in the Bible thread!!
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@SkepticalOne
Contradictions in the Bible should be as obvious as mistakes in people. The point of course, is for you to find something to connect with, one way or the other. If you hate the Bible, you have many more outlets, many more ways to connect with the spiritual side of your experience. 
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Exodus: fact or fiction?
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@SkepticalOne
I think the Exodus story is fiction. Millions of people wandering through a desert for 40 years would have left massive amounts of evidence. This evidence does not exist- thus, it did not happen as described.

Does this effect your view of spirituality at all? all you seem to be concerned with is the errors of the Bible, when in fact it's completely irrelevant to you as an individual and your participation...

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Who are you?
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@TheRealNihilist
Is your soul unique?

Are you unique as an individual?

I would say through perception and creativity yes, I am unique just like any thing of individuality, that's the meaning of the term really. 
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Consciousness of plants
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@janesix
Your physical body is an accumulation of cells no matter where you go or look, those cells have an awareness. Cells group together to make structure function, glands...organs, the brain ect ect…
Cells, just like individual people need to eat and poop to create that function or isolation to make a physical form. They rely on the energetic components of plants and fruits. That energetic component gives you the highest level of consciousness on the planet. In order to maintain that energetic component (or not) you have to consume that which gives that transfer of sustaining. God did this through plants and fruits, the energetic components to maintain the structure function of the physical body. When you look at plant life and fruits as souls, you lose that correlation of why you need to consume them. It's not a soul thing but a physical thing. Your soul doesn't need plants or fruit to survive, only the physical body which needs structure function, structure function needs mechanics to survive... which is supplied through plants and fruits. Without the physical form you will no longer need that structure function. Plants and fruits have awareness, but they aren't like humans, which have a nervous system (feel pain) and a brain, which processes pain. They only have cell awareness.

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Who are you?
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
we are the sum of our experiences.

You are the one observing those experiences, you are not those experiences. They don't make who you really are, they just play the role of a movie not the actor. The actor is the one observing the role, the experience. One comes before the other. 
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@TheRealNihilist
In the physical sense perception of reality I am a soul learning from experience. What I am not, is an accumulation of neural firing, thoughts and feelings. Those are what I observe, what I am transcends what I experience, what I feel and what I think about in this world. Who I am goes deeper than just the immediate perception of what I experience in the now. Although the now is the present, and what is experienced in the present is what is reality....however it's like being in a cage, or behind a mask, pull the mask off...who are you really?? who is the one observing all these experiences...? 

The physical sense perceptions, thoughts and feelings change constantly, yet the one observing those things has always been the observer...
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Why do you believe in God?
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@zedvictor4
Mind is data processing, consciousness enables thoughtful data processing, and though really just an elaborating descriptive, illumination could be regarded as enhanced data processing, whereby previous information is clarified or expounded. Nonetheless all is internal brain function, as are spiritual assumptions.
Word salad but I don't need one. You can't get around the fact that you are the one observing both mind and thoughts. This should be obvious, otherwise your existence would be nothing but a stream of thoughts. But you know that's not true right lol? how stupid can we get?
And if the brain does not function, then the mass will not function.
Pure speculation! And we know this is untrue, as the evidence shows consciousness can be experienced OUTSIDE the brain even after brain death, which occurs 4 to 5 mins after the heart stops. I can prove this through medical facts regarding NDE's silly. Keep thinking that though, it will only add to the surprise when you exit the material body.

Consciousness as we observe it through the brain does not operate outside the brain, yet spirituality and NDE's can show you how this works, can give you facts. 
One exists for as long as systems function. It's down right stupid to suggest the opposite.
It's down right stupid to suggest the opposite of evidence dum dum. Do you have any facts that correlate with consciousness? no you don't because even the nature of consciousness is an open question in science. Yet completely articulated in religion and spirituality. Why is that? you will find out little soul.
Yes, we can observe sub-conscious or unconscious management, but this state is still wholly reliant on a level of brain function.
No sir, spiritual encounters and NDE's go beyond the normal physical sense perception, they can show you existence outside the brain. This of course has been proven over and over. Not in the materialistic propaganda, but the corresponding evidence as it lays right in front of your face.
And observation is sensory function, which is also wholly reliant on the brain, to instigate function and manage data.
No, to observe the physical body you need the component of the brain and the nervous system, but as all the evidence points to that is just a pipe dream. Sensory function is as changing as material phenomenon, yet you will always be the one observing that function. Your observation point will always prove you wrong, which is why I find it funny atheists make themselves an expert on consciousness lol. They have no foot hold on that reality, get a grip dummy.
Get a grip dude. LOL
Okay dum dum, keep pretending you are an expert at something you have no clue about lol. 
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Where are the dinosaur souls
Godists claim that every creature to ever walk the planet have a soul and do not die.

Dum dum, every form dies. It's the inner being or soul that transcends that death. So there is death, then there is more life. 

Where the fuck are they?

There's two theories dum dum. One, is that any soul can inhabit any form, whether that be a dinosaur or a human. The form matters not but the experience is that which it perceives through that form. Likely each soul is delegated to a lower life form where it evolves into a higher being. It does this through a process dum dum….

The other dum dum, is that souls and awareness are two different things. A soul is that which is an individualization of the Creator....a being, a person and awareness is simply that which is capable of living out a direction of genetic order. In other words the awareness is restricted to the form it inhabits, in either case the same is true. But, just so you can sleep at night there is a difference between a soul, and awareness. Just like there is a difference in the operation of energy and electronics depending on the hardware.

So where the fck are they?? if they were a soul they progressed to a higher form, or according to your behavior a lower form. 
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Why do you believe in God?
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@RationalMadman
Thus it will be found that God is only shown to the worthy; no matter how hard the people nitpick, sheep-herd each other or battle it out.

That's because this is all principle oriented and not because the Creator picks and chooses, this is an application not a belief. There is an objective reality that transcends the physical sense perception and contains it's own laws (principles) ..."Worthy" just means those that are willing, willing to apply things outside their perceived emotions and mental states, or paradigms. This is of course is very paramount to those who hold a limited view of creation like atheism or materialism. They, in this lifetime could be limited by their own worldviews. Everyone, every soul comes out of the heart of God as an expression, each soul has its own journey. But the dangers are relevant, or at least suppressive. 

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@janesix
If I could use this chart as an illustration you can see what I mean. As the consciousness of God enters duality below the pure conscious worlds this is where the mind begins and ends. It begins at the center of the God worlds and ends at the physical form. This is the mind of God, where it oscillates between what we perceive as evil and good. 
Below the pure conscious realms is where the mind and emotions become relevant, this is where the soul emerges and this is where we struggle between two forces of reality. These are opposing forces because this is what makes creation. This takes place at all levels including natural opposing forces..

The etheric plane is the final plane of duality, or the mind and emotions. Once you get beyond that you are beyond thought and emotion which means you can experience true freedom. 
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@janesix
This might sound strange, but once consciousness enters the lower half of creation it enters the mind, from the universal mind. Above duality there is no mind or emotions. So every time you experience the mind or emotions you are still within duality. Duality struggles with two opposing forces, good bad, negative and positive, light and darkness. This need be to experience life apart from a singular Reality of course, which creates separation. But the singular light of God exists as a balanced force, you have to operate within that balanced nature to find that light. God resides in the balance of both negative and positive. In other words the more you strive for the positive side the more you deal with the negative side. This can be good or bad, depending on your perceptions.
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Is Hinduism a religion?
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@Harikrish
People who look for affection and happiness on public forums must suffer from low self esteem

Need stop there, completely irrelevant. Get relevant or get lost. 
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@janesix
I wonder if emotions are only experienced in the material reality. It being based on duality etc.

Ohhh very observant of you!! Emotions are not just experienced in the material reality because emotions are of a higher nature. They don't rely on the physical brain or nervous system, it relies on a whole separate body or form in creation. The emotional body is linked to the emotional layer which corresponds to the emotional world which would be the astral plane. 
Creation is set up like our experience as a physical body, you have the physical form, the emotional form and the mental form. These are all separate layers from one another and can be experienced in practice. 
So yes, emotions, which transcend the physical layer still appear in the astral form. Once you get beyond the mind though, both mind and emotion become irrelevant. The soul exists as pure intuition and consciousness. Above the worlds of duality you have several worlds of pure consciousness that rely not on emotion OR the mind, very interesting indeed!
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@janesix
does God feel all the emotions we do? 

This is a very dynamic question, it has many angles so I'll address it more than once....God exists in many states of conscious activity not just one. Like energy the Creator pervades all of creation, all channels of energy or awareness. 
This is hard to imagine because we are used to observing from a little, frail form we call the physical body. But if you could imagine that your state of consciousness exists at more than just the physical form but many layers of isolated forms. Like electricity, the Creator has excess to both the form and the formless, this is possible because of the nature of consciousness. 
This is the investment that God has in creation, that the individual soul can become an individual creator yet is still linked to the Singular outlet, this is genius of course. Think about it, God can experience the all, then experience everything little thing within creation. It's quite bad azz really. 
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@janesix
I wasn't think ing of looks more of attributes.

Excellent, because there are some dum dums that think it was a literal statement, like God has a physical form or a gender....

Like, does God feel all the emotions we do? 

Well God has access to all cannels of awareness so at one level God does. You, I and all other souls are just individualizations and expressions of God, so everything you experience God experiences through you. That's the whole point, from going to God's state of awareness from the whole to an individual state of awareness within creation, this of course makes it fun for God, if you could imagine being and having nothing besides being one singular Reality. 
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Is Hinduism a religion?
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@Harikrish
I could represent Hinduism as a Christian better than you could ever being a born Hindu lol, hilarious you have no clue to the relationship between the individual and spirituality. Actually you are one of the biggest disappointments in all of religious forums. To have access to one of the most beautiful belief systems and yet represent it so poorly is very unfortunate. 
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Is Hinduism a religion?
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@Harikrish
I love Hinduism, which took me being open minded and realizing the truths about spirituality, the Creator and the soul. However that has no reflection on you, you are a very rotten person. Not only do you fail at spirituality but fail at representing the beauty and dynamics of Hinduism. Very sad indeed that you are running loose with that title. 
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Is Hinduism a religion?
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@janesix
They might not like to be labeled a religion because they don't have a western understanding of tribalism or favoritism, or a club mentality. The difference being that one needs to apply certain things to gain favoritism or gain entrance to some heaven or revelations, whereas Eastern philosophy focuses more on the mechanics rather than beliefs or dogma. One reason why I like Eastern philosophy is because their focus is more on understanding than dogma. The difference being that one has the ability to explain more, the other just has beliefs or rules. I like both actually, because while one can get you the understanding it doesn't get you to the applications. The Bible has some stupid things and some really great aspects. Because of duality you have both extremes, so on one end you have a real personal development with God. Jesus was the first and perhaps the only real Master who expressed the personal elements of God in a real way. Unfortunately it's been destroyed through the negativity of religion, because of the positive side of it, meaning the negative side of it is really bad because the beauty of it is amazing. You have to deal with that dual reality in Christianity. 
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Death is the most natural thing on earth and godists can't accept it.
Simple, no dogma needed dum dum. It's the nature of consciousness that survives death you've been told this over and over but somehow you seem to think you have some major argument lol. Death exists dum dum, no one can avoid a physical death, we will all die a physical death. It's the soul that SURVIVES that "physical" death. You, being a dum dum, think that if the soul survives death we don't die, but of course we die, we will all die a physical death but you will observe for yourself the transition of "death", meaning the transition of a physical death to the reality of consciousness as in a soul. You need to understand the argument to make a valid point, but of course you won't, you will just repeat the same dumb thing over and over. So basically there's no need to comment on this thread but I'm bored. 

When your physical body dies, has a heart attack, brain aneurysm, lung collapse, cancer, stroke ect ect all these things will take place. Once that takes place and your physical body can no longer maintain the soul your soul will release itself from the physical body. You could black out, be unconscious, be "dead" but then you will be sucked from the physical body and you will be present in the astral plane. You might experience some really neat things but since I know your character what will follow won't be that great. You like to pick on people, mock them and spend all your time ridiculing the truth about consciousness. Since creation is ruled by cause and effect, sowing and reaping and Karma you will most likely be directed to negative experiences. Things you put others through, the way you made them feel, how you projected your hate and negativity all this is not good for you. Would hate to be you actually when all that goes down lol. 

You will most certainly have to learn from your inadequacies of spirituality and what you tried to do to other souls. 
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@janesix
Are we created in God's image?
Only in that we are thinking, conscious, creative aware beings that have our own will.... conscious thinking as in higher than the state of awareness of the animal and plant kingdom. Not that we were literally created in the image of God as in we "look" like God but more in the way of our indirect nature. A lot of people get hung up on the figurative and literal language of the Bible, when in fact it is pretty simple to get.
 What does this mean?
There's a literal element and a figurative one here, not meaning we "look" like God, but that we can articulate and create like God in our individual environments whereas God can create our own environments. We are basically little creators in God's environment. Hence created in "His image".
In what way are we like God?
Not literally in the sense we have God's looks...but rather God's desires or creative abilities on a smaller scale.

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Spiritual apprehension
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@janesix
Faith

strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

What is "spiritual apprehension"?

Going by this definition it just means to "grasp" onto or perceive something spiritual in nature. The Bible uses a term called discernment, same thing basically so really it's a bit of a contradiction here because if you apprehend something it could very well be evidence or proof of something. So there shouldn't be the statement "rather than proof" that's kinda silly. 

I prefer the definition trust and confidence in something.....this makes more sense especially when you read the Gospels where faith has it's roots. Faith is more a cultivation because in order to have trust and confidence in something there must be reason, proof and evidence involved. The more experience and the more a Theist trust what they are observing or believing the more "faith" they have, which is why Jesus emphasizes little faith compared to great faith. Not all Theists even use faith, it's an individual element utilized to deal with or remove obstacles ("mountains")in one's life.
In other words your faith will continue to grow and progress as you trust God and your understanding of God more and more.
This trust of course gives you the confidence in many areas, this of course is the whole point behind faith. It's not just about believing in things someone tells you, it's suppose to correlate with the individuals experience and learning/observation in the Creator which produces trust and confidence.

But again, the question you asked is just to recognize something that originates from that reality.

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@SkepticalOne
As I mentioned in another thread, noble sentiment and beauty can be found in the Bible.

Wow good catch, too bad you end there...

On the other hand, small-mindedness and barbarity can be found as well.

Yes sir, as I pointed out and those are the bits you can discard. We're not picking and choosing here as some would tend to think, we are just exercising and practicing what makes sense and what doesn't. 

This is not better or worse than the time periods from which the authors came. One needn't accept fantastical claims of spiritual beings to explain it. 

One needs to understand the nature of their being, period. Atheism will always short you on that deal unfortunately. 
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@keithprosser
The bits that are true are commonsense humanism, the baloney bits are theistic superstition.
Not at all, the bits that are humanism is stupidity, the bits that deal with the objective reality of spirituality are what are gold. As always you have everything azz backwards. Would you like to go over some of the Theistic superstition that correlates with reality?
The Bible is a spiritual book, and where spirituality is concerned is where it makes more sense, this is where the Bible is applicable. 

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@zedvictor4
You might think that you're going somewhere. You might think that you are already somewhere. But they are only your thoughts. LOL.

LOL, not even close dude but nice try. You're not even your mind lol, your thoughts are just conditioned processes that you observe through the mind, you exist independent of both, this is true of course as it can be observed. Your consciousness is what illuminates both mind and thought. 

Without that observation point you couldn't observe either one. 
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@SkepticalOne
this is the product of a benevolent mind.

If you were to evaluate it one way. Another way is that the Bible contains truth and errors. This would make more sense of course, since we are dealing with mankind not just pure objective spirituality as it exists. The Bible is mixed with culture, opinions, tradition and believe it or not BS, as well as really good insights that are meaningful. Welcome to the world of duality where you have a mixture of negative and positive. Apologetics are cute and all, but the truth of the matter is that when you evaluate spiritual texts it's not all perfect. This is why you would want a more wholistic approach to religion, where you can objectively understand what is true and what is baloney. 
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@3RU7AL
Sure but don't confuse that with an objective reality. Your view of gnostic just means category, my view means objective reality. 
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@3RU7AL
The true nature of the soul has no gender identity and neither does God. The only aspect of our experience that identifies us with gender is our physical parts at birth. Religious people aren't aware why souls stuck in male or female bodies wish to express themselves as the opposite gender. Reincarnation plays a huge role is this phenomenon. Sometimes a soul leaves the physical world by accident, too early or whatever...since the soul has no gender it can take on either form, both male or female and mostly it's the nature and attitude of the soul that dictates which form it takes on. But because of Karma the soul can inhabit either bodily form due to what it needs to learn from the choices it has made.
Since the soul keeps and retains all it's experiences in it's conscious awareness that exists beyond the physical form it can come back within another gender role and still have the desire to express itself in female or male form, even though it has a definitive role. Of course the Creator doesn't really care lol, it's religion and fundamentalism that make this expression evil or bad. In reality that soul is neither, it's just wanting to express itself beyond the physical role because their awareness is beyond the physical body. They may not know why, but they feel they have a more direct connection with the other role. 
Heretical beliefs?? I don't care and that's irrelevant to the truth of the matter. 

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@3RU7AL
Gender roles are very misunderstood in the religious arena, but in the spiritual arena they are fully understood. This of course is reflected in the negative sides of duality and religious beliefs, often times religious fundamentalism get's in the way of freedom. Mixes up the laws of creation which have nothing to do with certain aspects of individuality. 
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Is Christian nationalism un-American?
I'm quite certain that all definitions of Libertarianism are fully incompatible with all definitions of socialism.

You would think, but not the end product. Sorry about that. 
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@Polytheist-Witch
My religion doesn't have good, evil or sin. 

Okay thanks. 
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@3RU7AL
I would tend to think left wing (libertarianism) is socialism, which opposes individuality. It's a sneaky principle and one might even think the opposite. But if you pay close attention that is what happens under the left wing agenda, individualism doesn't exist. It may not exist in fundamentalism either (two extremes) but in the end product of true spirituality the individual should possess true freedom. Not the freedom to do what it wants towards others per say but the freedom to express itself fully within the laws of creation. This way, you have full expression and full freedom because one need not hurt the other to express itself. This is what spirituality really wants, to have a reality where individuals express themselves while never violating the other party. You can have both unity and individuality, even within spirituality. 
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@Polytheist-Witch
No, I was asking you about YOUR beliefs. I don't care about the Jews beliefs. 
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@zedvictor4
Though:
"The brain is nothing more than a component that confines your experience to a physical body".
Yep, you said it.
So without that component what are you going to do?
I have a bit of time so I'll elaborate for the heck of it.
WITH, that component (brain) your immediate experience will be narrowed down to what you perceive through the physical senses and this is what creates the illusion that this life is all you are currently aware of. When you entered the womb your souls experiences developed with the development of the material body including the brain, but since you are also a soul your experiences don't have to be confined to a physical body, you possess the ability to transcend the physical senses and as a matter of fact when you exit the material body you will anyways.

The brain, along with neuron firing and the nervous system do not create your consciousness lol, this is the single most ridiculous assumption that man faces. You are first a conscious being that observes through the physical body and senses, this is what confines you to this world....in order for the soul to experience this material universe it must have a physical/material shell/vehicle. When you leave this world you will be present in what people call a spirit body, this is the subtle body but not the soul itself. Most people don't know you can leave the subtle body or spirit body, this is when the real fun begins! the Creator is far more creative and dynamic then anyone on this planet could ever dream of.

Creation consists of multiverses, these "multiverses" correlate with each form the soul is covered in. As you leave each world, your soul is present within the corresponding universe. There's not just two places (heaven or hell) when you leave the physical body, there's a whole universe stocked full of planets, galaxies and solar systems. Oh yeah baby, we're talking about endless experiences and lives the soul get to live out.
The only catch is that when the soul leaves the full conscious state of the Creator it's then subject to the laws of creation, Karma, cause and effect, sowing and reaping ect ect...so it's not just fun and games at all times. The souls purpose is to learn about itself and improve through interaction within duality and creation.

When the soul leaves the "Godhead" it must be covered or sheathed to be separate from the infinite. The soul is covered through layers, this includes the individual mind, emotions and eventually a physical layer/body. Check out this chart below and this will give you a good idea what I mean. This is the only thing I've seen that expresses visually exactly how creation is put together from the Creator down to the individual soul and physical universe. The middle area is pure consciousness which funnels down from pure awareness through duality and the lowest parts of creation. The pure conscious state of the Creator has access through all channels of awareness, it encompasses and pervades every part of existence. In other words there is nothing that exists without the awareness of God. Ignore the face in the middle lol. 

The middle area is the current of consciousness which takes on forms and observes throughout every part of the creates worlds just like energy and electricity, it is both form and formless. 

Of course energy works the same way as consciousness, study the nature of energy and have the keys to how consciousness operates. Energy exists because conscious activity exists, it's first awareness, then energy (which this activity produces and why energy exists at all), then the manipulation of energy to create form...this is the order of our existence not the other way around.
The evidence all points in that direction of course, which is why energy acts as if it had intelligence and why the evidence of NDE's, spiritual experiences and religion all observe that nature and reveal this reality for what it is. You are going nowhere Zed, you have a long, long journey before you. Enjoy!

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@zedvictor4
Re-sequence and add or replace a few verbs here and there and the output would seem be a whole lot different, when in fact it would be virtually the same.

Not so, we are talking about experiences that correlate with that nature, it's not just words. If you want to experience something outside the physical/material immediate perception you have to correlate/connect with that nature (output). 

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@Polytheist-Witch
In your beliefs, is there any laws or consequences of actions besides cause and effect? 
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@Deb-8-a-bull
You don't need to "remove" your sins, they are in the past so they are already removed. The point is to feel remorse about transgressing the laws of creation, either you feel that or not, I'm guessing you don't lol. It's just a commitment one makes within themselves to uphold righteousness in all your encounters, you apply spiritual principles spiritual Masters teach, such as Jesus. All that means is when you read something applicable you apply it, that's it. The point of feeling guilt or remorse about things is just so you don't do them again, you look to God to be a better man or understand things deeper from an outside perspective. Religions have funny ways of dealing with simple truths so watch for that.
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@zedvictor4
All you have done when responding is contrive and then output data.
Okay, sure, have a point you would like to make?
Re-sequence and add or replace a few verbs here and there and the output would seem be a whole lot different, when in fact it would be virtually the same.
Lol it's called a discussion, either you want one or you don't, which is it?
I did slow down and consider and realised. Perhaps you should try it, as it is you who is currently the master of over-think.
No, master at observation, perception but thanks.
Though:
"The brain is nothing more than a component that confines your experience to a physical body".
Yep, you said it.
So without that component what are you going to do?
Exist either way, just like electricity exists apart from components so does consciousness and so does energy. In fact the nature of consciousness and the soul are much like both.

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@janesix
Concensus reality
Is it the only valid reality?
A general agreement?? no, that is not a valid reality per say. A valid reality exists despite a general agreement. An agreement is irrelevant to an objective reality. The only thing an agreement could do is support the notion of that reality, not make it valid, it already exists. 


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Why do you believe in God?
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@zedvictor4
Real or not, aren't Gods merely acquired and stored data?
No, that reality exists objectively, it's not stored data.
So therefore theism and atheism are merely individual outputs derived from the same or similar data.
I don't think so, you don't understand how creation is put together, what you really are and how this all can be experiential for you. Oh yeah if you only knew, this is more than data lol. Atheism and Theism have entirely different outputs, because there is a transcendent reality involved that makes Theistic experiences much more dynamic than anything in atheism. This is supposed to be your own cultivation, not belief....this is supposed to be something you really connect with.
As such atheism and theism actually occur as concepts in all databases. The only difference would be how the individual chooses to conclude and then output their conclusion. Eg. I am an atheist or I am a theist. The only real difference in this instance would be the inclusion of the letter A.
Think again, your atheism controls your output, that means your experiences will be chained to this material world period...if you were to consider Theism or spirituality your output changes considerably at all levels, or at least the potential of it does. Not all Theists know what observation means, they think this is all about beliefs but everyone is at different levels.
After all, a worldview is just an individual conclusion derived from the same or similar acquired and stored data. So primarily the only real difference in worldview all boils down to an extra A.
That extra "A" makes a big difference, of course since you reject it it's no big deal to you. Little do you know the physical body is just one little shell your soul inhabits, you have many more dimensions to the full scope of what you can learn and observe.
Of course, once a conclusion has been reached we can then go on and contrive appropriate accompanying rhetoric relative to a conclusion or worldview. Which once again though, is nothing more than a variation in data processing and output.
If you say so, probably counting out spiritual experiences.
Though we might think to the contrary, the acquisition of narrative and sensory data is all internally brain activated and brain held and so is there ever any real external connection made between ourselves and the greater environment? Our worldview is only a contrivance of stored data and therefore only assumption of an external reality.
Thanks for the opinion, but NDE's, spiritual encounters/experiences occur outside the brain. Do more homework on that one...the brain is nothing more than a component that confines your experience to a physical body.
I think therefore I assume that I probably am. Maybe.
I am, therefore I think. Your awareness comes first, you are what observes both mind and thought.
I also make loads of other assumptions. Which come and go and vary accordingly.
Maybe slow down and start to consider, observe more and less thinking. Thinking, even know a good thing is always a conditioned process, try observing more and being intuitive.

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