ILikePie5

Oddly enough, it seems we agree. The democrats have no leverage here, but it seems that thought is just too grim to accept so they have to appeal to vague terms like "fight" and "stand up" which in this situation really doesn't mean a thing.

Even if he's town it is really retarded to create a mass claim, bitch that the game does not confirm flips and then virtually assure that the only person who can reveal flips dies NP1

Sure being off topic (aka put of line) would make somebody not in line with town. Obviously

I am shocked. You do know that traditionally the one who suggests a mass claim goes first right? Not trying to claim near the end of the DP they don't wanna claim until a player who normally is not on at that time claims.

Can I just say how insane it is that Pie could potentially have 5 votes?

This is pies suggestion to mass claim. He should show some good will and do it first. When I suggested a weaker form of this by asking everyone to say the power level of their role I went first. I said I felt like my role was quite powerful.

I feel like pie is trying to prevent a town block from forming. My gut is telling me he is scum. 

So pie suggests the mass claim and then demands I do it first assuming I would be offline the remainder of the DP and he could weasel out of it. Anyone still online needs to vote him

This is pies suggestion to mass claim. He should show some good will and do it first. When I suggested a weaker form of this by asking everyone to say the power level of their role I went first. I said I felt like my role was quite powerful. 

Alternatively, I don't like how quick you are to dismiss him as town based on stretchy wifom logic at best. 

I’m the Sensor. That’s why I said earlier that I had further reason to believe Earth’s role because the information he gains dovetails well with mine given the secret ballot. I’d like to align my use with his if possible, but I also don’t want to tip off scum on the when of it.

As for the justification, there’s a focus on how it’s meant to ensure fairness in the basic rules of the debate and in particular on education, a common voter on theory arguments.

If I die, the players voting on my wagon are all revealed.

This is if a player is randomly selected and town agrees to all vote on them. Town outnumbers scum always, so their vote doesn't matter if town sticks together.

Pie, I think you are the only one who thinks Popular is scummy. Though I will note that it was a scum role in the last Austin game in which it appeared. That game also had a town Vote Thief, which is what I am, since Kritiks undermine the entire framework upon which an argument stands. 

cause popular is almost always town. I've never seen popular scum.

I'll make this clear again since the code may have confused people:

For  2  scum, the odds of town victory with a random lynch target is 75%

For  3  scum, the odds of town victory with a random lynch target is 62%

For  4  scum, the odds of town victory with a random lynch target is 50%

This depends on town voting as a block, though. We can't risk letting mafia tie break either through voting or because votes themselves tie.

I buy Lunatic's claim 100%, cause I have a similar mechanic to his. 

I'm not opposed to everyone full claiming at this point, I legit think we can break the game with these busted roles. Plus with no open votes and no flips, town is at too much of an information disadvantage from the beginning. 

I an Spreading and my role ability is called "overmatch", but it works similar to popular townie. The justification is that simply talking fast is a legitimate way to get out more arguments. However spreading has become controversial in recent times because of its over-reliance on technical skill. For this reason I am popular by 2 votes in my first match up, poplar by 1 vote in my second match up, and take a normal amount of votes to kill in my third match up. A caveat is I MUST make more posts in the DP than my opponent for this to take affect. Another important point is that this doesn't work this DP, because this phase is a normal mafia voting phase and not a "matchup"

With earth's role, my role, and lunatics role I think we can confirm a lot of roles in the first match up.

Luna's claim make sense. I don't get the justification of the 3rd line and how Timeframe relates to Justice. I feel like I'm getting PTSD from ERB but I don't know. I can't clear Luna as town because of the neg utility it can bring and how both of those could be useful to scum as well. But the thought process from Luna comes off as townish

I am still making Wylted and Lunatic battle each other in the DP2