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I always thought he was atheist but looking at his posts he seemed to be a weird version of a Christian.
What is going on with the web admin? Unban this man.
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@RationalMadman
Your source is total BS, I have no idea what it's basing it on but this is a situation where I have to say your source is BS. The ranking makes no sense at all.
Of course you're free to believe whatever you want, but the reality is that countries like France, Germany, Sweden, and Neatherlands have security issues because of the massive migration from Muslim countries, specially France that is coincidentally the country with more muslims and hence the fifth most dangerous country in Europe.
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@RationalMadman
In what metric are they safest? Those are 2 of the least safe places in Europe.
Yes, they are in the top 10 safest countries in Europe. By the way, I confused Poland with Czech Republic which is also a conservative country, but still, Poland must be in the top 15 or 20.
I think it's the other way around actually. ;) You are trying to argue with a secular person, not a religious one. Their way of life shaped their fairytale justification for it.
All the same, it's a matter of interpretation of the Quran. Their political and social system are based on Islam no matter the interpretation, if that is what you mean by way of life.
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@RationalMadman
*I meant Hungary and Poland. These are the correct names in English. 😁
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@RationalMadman
Do they now? Could you please show me a Muslim society that is culturally diverse for any extended period of time before everyone caves into Sharia?
I refered to Europe. There are even complete neighbors where the Sharia law is applied. Muslims will never accept to be part of a diverse society which is the reason of the failure of europeans liberal policies.
That couldn't be the reason, no... The reason is that it's geographically close to the Middle East (with Eastern Europe being the crossover into the part of Europe you probably are alluding to) and a desirable place to live economically, environmentally and technologically at the very least.
That's just another reason, but not the exclusive one. If european's migration policies weren't so liberal Europe would be free of these people. For example, Hungria and Polonia refused to accept muslims because they are conservatives, now they are the most safe countries in Europe.
You are also fusing religion with culture. I maybe understand why but I am not sure what you mean there. You can appreciate Egyptian and Persian cultural aspects while ignoring the Islam. You can even do that with Omani and Saudi culture.
Well, I'm not sure if I fused religion with culture, what I know thought is that religion is part of culture. And you can't deny that muslims use religion as a basis of their culture and even their political life.
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Liberals love multiculturalism, so muslims fit pretty well in the diverse society these people promote. This may be the reason why Europe is full of muslims.
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@prefix
I think number 6 is unnecessary.
Plus, I would change number 2 with "work hard and save hard". It's not enough to have a job.
Plus, I would change number 2 with "work hard and save hard". It's not enough to have a job.
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@n8nrgim
i mean you didn't really give a deeper meaning as to why we suffer to begin with. your answer is for us to evolve, but why is it such that we're put into that situation to begin with?
I think what you're questioning is why suffering should be that unconfortable. Well, I guess this is the way it is, the system is designed like this. The universe functions with contrasts, for the day there is the night, for the happiness there is the sadness, and so on. Nobody likes pain but it's necessary to alert us to any malfunction in our body or our mind. As I said, if it weren't so unconfortable we wouldn't give a shit and as a result we would die irremediably.
is your main beef with what i said that i think we probably agree to a life that includes suffering? i did say maybe not all of us do that. and if evolving is a necessary part of our existence why would it be so far fetched to think maybe the ones who have to suffer in that process didn't volunteer to be part of that process?
I really don't know if we agreed to come to this life, that's pure speculation and I don't like speculation because it reminds me of religions. I'm just telling you my opinion about pain and suffering according to my observations and the little knowledge I have about it. We're supposed to evolve to the point that we no longer need to work (which is a source of pain too), live much longer, have a better health, be more civilized, in short live a life with the less pain possible.
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@n8nrgim
my impression is that you believe in the afterlife right?
That is correct, I do. The afterlife, though, doesn't have anything to do with suffering. Pain, which is what makes us suffer, is a biological signal, it's part of us and has a reason being for this life, not for the other, because in the other side there is no pain as far as I'm concerned. I'm really not sure if we agreed to come to this life, but I think we have to be utterly conscious that this life we're living in is temporal and if we ever have to experience pain it's not supposed to last so long.
what is your view of why we suffer, or the purpose of suffering? if your view is that suffering is to inform us to avoid said suffering, why is it such that there is suffering to begin with?
Dude, I think this is rather evident. The main goal of this life is to evolve as species so to have a better experience and pain plays an important role on that. If we have no pain, there is no evolution. I'd say suffering tells us how evolved we are, and judging by how much suffering there is in the world we can say without any doubt that we are fucked up as species. According to some people that had contact with this alien civilization that look over us, we have a lot of potential. For example, we can live much longer (according to the last scientific news we can live up to 1,000 years), but to get at that point it's necessary to understand we're not just matter but esentially energy (or spirit). If we understand and develop our spiritual side along with the technology the suffering in this world will end.
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@n8nrgim
I think that's probably true, we knew what we would experience. We r part of God and eternal and that's what many nde experiencers say so it makes sense. If it's not true that we all came here knowingly then I think at least many of us did
Let me disagree with you, but I think what you just said is pure bullshit. I'm sorry you'd read that but I had to tell it, it's the same bullshit religious people say just so to find comfort for the sufferers.
The only purpose of suffering, as far as I'm concerned, is to tell you that something is going wrong with your body or mind so you have to look for a solution or make changes in your life so to have a better life. Suffering is just a survival mechanism of this biological system, if we didn't have it we would perish as species.
On the other hand, I could argue that suffering can be usefull for making us stronger, that's totally true and it could come in handy for our evolution process. However, to believe that we suffer in this life because we agreed so beforehand is a fucking joke.
Again, sorry you have to read that.
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@zedvictor4
Yep. I can run with those ideas in principle.I think that scientific minds have alluded to such concepts for quite a while now.In very simple terms, I have always proposed a GOD principle relative to the evolutionary structuring of energy and matter.And in fairness to old theologians , I think that their GOD principles were reasonably analogic.Whereas modern deists should know better, or be taught better.
Really? I thought you were going to argue over it. 😁
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@HistoryBuff
Why so sure? We'll see. 😁
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Sometimes I think this is all part of a master plan elaborated by Trump with the only aim of getting more votes. I mean, judging by the polls and the conviction that Trump is going to come out unscathed as he always did.
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The first scenario doesn't make sense. I was looking for this dillemma on the web and the story is different than yours. Why is so?
We can discuss the second one, though. I say "yes" because of the Hippocratic Oath.
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@FLRW
I disagree. I gave my point of view in the above response to Zed.
I'm not religious by the way.
I'm not religious by the way.
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@zedvictor4
Well, I think the universe is basically energy, so energy is the raw material of matter. Science is starting to understand that matter is a kind of illusion, I can't say much about it since it's something new and related to quantum mechanics which I know nothing about. What I can say though is that if an atom is 99.99% of energy, all the matter in the universe is basically pure energy.
So, the universe is not about matter but energy with some sort of intelligence and conciousness, as far as I'm concerned. Don't think of it as a spirit or a ghost because it would sound as ridiculous as religions. It's just what it is, an eternal conscious energy that is continuously creating matter as an illusion, a virtual reality just for the sake of experience.
What I believe too is that if humans are intelligent, conscious and have freewill is because we are a manifestation of this energy that created the matter and its rules. That's why I say if we call this energy God, we're also God. There is no God out of us but within us. And I don't think it's an omnipotent and omniscient being which is what religions stupidly claim.
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@Lemming
I think people often behave a lot more monstrously in games than in life,'Because, it's a game,'Lot of poor poor NPCs. . .'Lot's of religions have an accounting after one dies,Some versions of Buddhism for example, I've heard.
Well, I said life is like a game in the sense that we are using a character for a temporal time and for reaching a goal and not for doing whatever you want. To make it clearer, life is a like a virtual reality.
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@zedvictor4
Computers process data.....Both internally and externally generated data.The human computer is a multi-functional management system, developed over some 300,000 years or so.Whereas advanced electronic computers have been around for less that 100 years.........Let's give them a chance to catch up.Maybe were looking at some sort of hybrid.Because I think that downloading consciousness is not too far away......Which is a sort of scary concept.
Hey Zed, how is it going?
You must know that in order to develop a computer you need an intelligent and consciouss being that put all the electronic devices together. I mean, who put all the cells together? This is a beautiful question I would like to answer.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
True peace for the victims is an even greater victory than suffering for the guilty.All is well that ends well. You'll find not every spiritual ethos focuses on an afterlife; but they all need the story to end well.
This is one of the main problems in christianity, that the belief in a reward and punishment after death discourages people to live at their maximum potential. I mean, it's a fucking game. If you tell to a rich that he's not going to heaven because he is rich (Matthew 19:24), this person would feel guilty and start to live a life that he doesn't like. Likewise, the poor would stop striving for progress because he knows he'll go to heaven anyway (Matthew 19:24).
If you think that reward and punishment deter people from doing bad deeds, that's bullshit. All the idea of a being that rewards you for your good deeds and punish your enemies is just a comfort to fools. I've already said it, a belief system determines the way a society makes progress so I see christianity is not helping solve the main social problems in this fucking world because people are pretty sure that a God would reward and punish in the afterlife, when the real solution is to strive to make justice and work together for a better world.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I don't remember having talked about any judgment for our deeds. In fact, I'm assuming there is no hell, no heaven, and as a consequence no judgment. It's a game at the end, you play it for the sake of the experience.
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@Greyparrot
You sure are in a state of emergency considering the kind of inmigration you let in. I mean, most of the inmigrants come from Venezuela, all these people are used to the twenty first century socialism which means they expect to be dependent on the government, the charity and the social programs.
Good luck with it. Hahahaha.
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@Stephen
Fascinating. I've never seen that book, I swear.
I'll read it as soon as I can. Thanks.
I'll read it as soon as I can. Thanks.
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@Best.Korea
Pray, dude, pray. You're totally carried away.😁
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@Best.Korea
Oh great, one fantasy replaced by another fantasy. At this point, become a believer in God. You sure are compensating a lot for him. Atheist who cant exactly live without skydaddy's approval.
It's more of a fantasy to think we're the only species in this vast universe.
Read a book, please. 😁
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@Stephen
Then you would have posted in the wrong sub-forum.
I think the afterlife should be debated in this forum and not in "phylosophy" for example.
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@n8nrgim
I view God as unwilling and to some extent unable but unlike atheists i say it'sfor a good purpose. It's in our best interest to experience what we do.
I like more the idea that we are actually what religions call God, because the only being that is able to experience is God, and the only being able to create is God, so we are God because we're going on with the process of creation that was once started in this world. As you said, we co-create.
The problem is that we don't know we're God or part of this God, and I think there lies the problem of this fucking world, the ignorance of who we really are. Maybe that's the main flaw of this system, maybe we as God are neither omnipotent nor omniscient as religions claim. We as God don't know everything we need to know so that's why we're experimenting, commiting errors, complaining all the time and eventually drawing conclusions.
But only time will tell. I expect this fucking allien civilization shows up already and tell us all the damn truth we deserve to know.
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@Best.Korea
I said let's assume, you dumbass. I'm assuming there is a soul that survive death and not necessarily remember where it comes from.
We don't know exactly what there is beyond death, this is something the allien civilization will confirm when they show up hopefully.
Suicide is not really easy. There is no nice way.
Suicide is not the subject of this thread so I don't want to talk about it because people in western civilization are not ready for that kind of conversation.
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Let's also assume that it was a deal that you accepted, like getting into a game for the sake of the experience. So, it was you
that put yourself in this game because you felt like being capable of doing it.
And as any game, there are different ways to solve a problem, to overcome a pain, to learn more stuff, it's just a matter of looking for it. Of course, you can quit whenever you want, but if you do that you will realize in the other side that you actually had ways to keep going with low pain or even with no pain at all, and finish the game.
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I'm opening this thread because I've been seeing multiple threads where people complain of the life they live. I don't want to argue whether this life sucks or not because it sucks for most of us. What I want to know though is if the existence of an after life would change your attitude towards this world we are living in.
Keep in mind that I'm not assuming anything about what christianity try to sell us. So, let's say there is no God, no hell, no heaven, no devil, just another parallel world where we come from and where there is no pain, no suffering, just a feeling of absoulute peace, and that we are sent to this fucking world to accomplish a mission: make the human being evolve. So, it's a sort of matrix where you are supposed to live temporarily in order to forge love in you and the rest of the people because it's said that love is the only way humans can evolve. As simple as that.
Would you then change your mind and make your best to accomplish the mission no matter how hard it looks? I read you.
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@cristo71
Anti racismCritical race theoryDiversity, equity, and inclusionIntersectionality
I think it doesn't matter how the WOKE word came out, at the end we all relate it to the concepts you listed, because sometimes the meaning of some words doesn't make sense.
All the same, I think the WOKE culture goes beyond those concepts. As far as I'm concerned, WOKE is equal to progressivism, which is a left-wing ideology aimed to change society based on the neo marxism philosophy. I mean, it's all about marxism at the end, these people are looking for an "egalitarian society", the same shit communism tried to do but in this case they don't use economy to achieve that but other means. The best way they found to change social structures is by using social movements that can align with their goals: feminism, lgbt, antiracism, indigenism, veganism, environmentalism. All those social movements are not bad per se, but it's the WOKE culture that lead them to radicalize because for Karl Marx, as you know it, the only way to change society is through the use of violence, or in the case of a "democracy", the use of coercion by law.
As an example, nobody would say that classical feminism was harmful, but on the contrary, it was wonderful becasue it changed for good how women are treated by society. However, it has been the WOKE culture that radicalized the feminist mindset as a way to break the current social structures so to build a new one with marxism as the primary foundation, and I think they are doing a big progress. If you realize, women are demanding equal pay and in some cases they got it, like the case of female american footballers. If you think this is not marxism I don't know what the fuck it is.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Let's see the outcomes later. I foresee a great future for Florida, though.
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@Critical-Tim
It's also worth considering that conscious morality can influence subconscious morality over time. As we engage in conscious moral reasoning and repeatedly make choices aligned with those reasons, our subconscious reactions and beliefs may gradually shift to be more in line with our conscious values.
I agree. I think the human brain is enough flexible to do what you just described which is the basis of epigenetics.
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@ebuc
Thank you for making this so explicitly clear. Well done.Each human has differrent and changing set of X, and each express X to their children and others in various ways.
This is exactly what I was thinking of, that morality is passed down to the descendants, in the subconsciousness. So many people experience an "inner voice" or something of that sort that tell them the right thing to do, and it's not that a supernatural being is guiding them as the OP tried to suggest shamelessly.
But that doesn't happen to everyone, I guess a family of psychopaths would experience all the contrary.
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@secularmerlin
One does not understand reality "correctly" whatever that means. One only ever experiences the best approximate of reality one's brain can conjure.
I would add to your comment that there should be a common ground in such experiences so to say we're interpreting the reality "correctly".
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I'm only worried about how fast muslims are breeding. This is the most horrible threat the world is facing right now.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Not sure what that's in regard to. Until recently one of the few benefits of suburbs was that it created neighborhood communities where kids were allowed to roam around and play with friends where parents would never let kids out on the street in the city.Of course in a full view of history we can see an increasing paranoia and/or increasing real danger to children that is creeping out from the cities. i.e. they used to let kids roam around in the cities too.
Well, that could be right, I also grew up in a sort of suburb, but also in a big city and didn't find much difference. So, I really can't tell to be honest.
Though, I'm stating that based on a research that claims kids in the suburbs suffer more from mental illness than their counterparts in cities. I guess that could explain the many mass shootings commited by kids in suburban schools. I also believe that there are many serial killers in the US because of that lifestyle. But I'm not sure.
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@Best.Korea
I can't believe that you're completely dismissing the magical word Christians made up exclusively to fix all this shit: freewill.
God is inmensely good at the end because all the evil is due to the freewill God gave us as a display of his merciful love. So, it's all the fault of the wicked human being.
And remember, Christian God never loses!!!😁
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I always wonder if the average american is really conscious about the drawbacks of living in the suburbs. I mean, I imagine it's great to have a house with all the amenities far away from the noisy and cramped city, but what about the negative impact on your lives, like to have to use the car for everything? I understand that a house in the suburbs is cheaper, but I guess your lifestyle should be much of a concern too.
As far as I know, the health problems in the US, like the obesity, is because of that. I'm not mentioning other social problems that seemingly you are unable to see, like the lack of social cohesion and the mental problems it can entail, especially for the kids.
So I think you americans should assess the tradeoff between the suburbs and the inner city instead of any other secondary stuff like cars.
As far as I know, the health problems in the US, like the obesity, is because of that. I'm not mentioning other social problems that seemingly you are unable to see, like the lack of social cohesion and the mental problems it can entail, especially for the kids.
So I think you americans should assess the tradeoff between the suburbs and the inner city instead of any other secondary stuff like cars.
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@Best.Korea
Well, judging by your comments you're really far from being the joker, but I have to acknowledge you're right, South Korean society is very abusive and discriminatory.
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@Best.Korea
That's because you are a troll.
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@Best.Korea
Some girls get period at age 8. Getting period means you can get pregnant. I started masturbating when I was 7, but was only able to produce cum at 10 or 11.
Again, you're talking about precocious girls which is not the norm. The average is to menstruate at 12. If you pick an 8yo girl randomly, I bet she hasn't got her period yet.
Decide already how old the child was when you abused her, that'd give us an idea about the seriousness of the crime.
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@Best.Korea
Actually, the youngest girl ever who gave birth was 5 years old.
So that is the age of the child you abused, right? It's the only case reported because the child had a precocious puberty, you can't generalize. If we cast this case out, the youngest was an 11yo girl, which is more believable.
Being said that, if you try to "seduce" a child you're commiting a crime no matter where you are. 5yo children are no conscious about what is right or wrong which is the reason why they're always under adult supervision up to the age of 12. After that I really don't mind if they have sex (with boys of the same age, of course) because they will more or less behave the way they were taught by their parents.
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@zedvictor4
@Best.Korea
Zed was talking about the necessity to boost natality given that in the past people used to die young. Nevertheless, I think there is something wrong with the minimum age because girls start to menstruate at the very least at 12yo, less than this age is really rare and as a consequence useless to consent because the little girl can't get pregnant.
In several third-world countries, rural women keep getting married at 13yo as a minimum age, even at 12yo, but this responds to what I've just said, that at this age most girls start to menstruate.
By the way, BK, you didn't answer my question. How old was the child (if it really was a child) when you abused her? Keep in mind that not all girls grow the same way, it's possible to find for example a 12yo girl that looks like 17yo as well as a 17yo girl that looks like 12yo. So, there is no excuse to harass children if you can get a grown up woman that looks like a child, with no ass and no tits.
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@zedvictor4
You mean if I watch trans porn? Not exactly. You know, friends sometimes send stuff about it just to fuck around. At some moment I watched trannie videos just out of curiosity, I've got to recognize, and realized all of them have penis, bigger than mine I've got to say. 😁
So, I think for some trannies keeping the gun comes in handy for their job. Besides, you must know in Brazil there is a lot of transwomen and trans prostitution, I guess there is a high demand for it. What surprise me though is that these hookers keep their penis as you can see in any webpage of brazilian trans hookers. They even highlight the fact that they have it and how big it is. Apparently the bigger it is the better as I saw in the comments people leave in those webpages.
So, not all trannies get rid of the gun, it will depend on what they look for.
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@Critical-Tim
Well, according to the review, the book is intended for politicians and business workers, so I don't think these people want to get to the truth but to sell an idea, a product/service or whatever they offer, imho.
You might be refering to a scientific debate in which case I agree with all what you said.
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@Best.Korea
I wouldn't dare to assess a writing that is not written in my mother tongue, or at least a language that I master. It's not just about telling a story but conveying emotions, like a poem.
I really can't tell anything about your story, Mr. Pedo. 😁
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@zedvictor4
Yes, but to do so we have to understand perfectly how the brain works. I don't know, Zed, I have my doubts.
You know what I think about it. To me, the energy is over the matter, all the universe is energy and energy creates matter, if you know what I mean. 😁
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@zedvictor4
I heard that in Europe the age of consent in the past was 9yo. What the fuck!! Seriously? Europeans were really pervert.
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@zedvictor4
AI is "programmed" to learn. I mean, every computer is programmed no matter if it's an AI or not. The only difference is that the AI has much less code but needs more memory for learning data (like a library) . Behind all this learning process of the AI, there are tons of real people feedbacking the data the Ai is using to learn, like teachers teaching a student how to do stuff.
You must know that AI imitates the way our brain works, we humans learn using patterns which is the most efficient way to learn and process new information. So, the idea of a computer with AI is to be more efficient and quicker than the average computer that use a sequence of instructions (code), that makes the AI very powerful with few resources. That's all. Obviously with that breakthrough lot of things are going to change, but it's not that the AI is going to enslave human beings and take over the world. If that ever happens, there would be for sure a fucking human being behind.
Besides, there are more mental processes than learning that the AI will never have because it's unique of humans, like intuition, creativity, emotions, conciousness, it's not just a mere synapse, there are biochemical substances and electromagnetic fields involved. Human brain is incredibly complex to be imitated by a bunch of transistors.
You must know that AI imitates the way our brain works, we humans learn using patterns which is the most efficient way to learn and process new information. So, the idea of a computer with AI is to be more efficient and quicker than the average computer that use a sequence of instructions (code), that makes the AI very powerful with few resources. That's all. Obviously with that breakthrough lot of things are going to change, but it's not that the AI is going to enslave human beings and take over the world. If that ever happens, there would be for sure a fucking human being behind.
Besides, there are more mental processes than learning that the AI will never have because it's unique of humans, like intuition, creativity, emotions, conciousness, it's not just a mere synapse, there are biochemical substances and electromagnetic fields involved. Human brain is incredibly complex to be imitated by a bunch of transistors.
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If a transwoman decide to remove his/her penis is because she knows a potential sexual partner doesn't like a penis but a vagina. It's not about identity.
There are other trannies that keep the gun, but that's when they work as hookers, there are male clients that like to be assaulted. Haha.
There are other trannies that keep the gun, but that's when they work as hookers, there are male clients that like to be assaulted. Haha.
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