Total posts: 1,907
Posted in:
-->
@EtrnlVw
So in other words you don't believe God exists? or you have another idea about God?
I believe in knowledge I have of "God". It's not my intention to make you doubt about your beliefs, but "God" is more of knowledge than of a real object. "God" exists, of course, as well as "happiness" exists and "evil" exists.
"God" is then a concept that we all human beings need to understand for our own sake as species.
Il Diavolo
Created:
Posted in:
I agree with the defintion you gave of spirituality and faith. It is otherwise known as "mindfulness" among secular people.
As to "God", I disagree since it's not a person, let alone a living being.
Il Diavolo
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@3RU7AL
They don't need to be so. Capitalism is the economy taken over thoroughly by the market, meanwhile socialism is taken over by people (represented by the government). Every country is in the middle of both systems, sometimes in the extreme of capitalism (like the US), and sometimes in the extreme of socialism (like Cuba).
Il Diavolo
Created:
Posted in:
Socialism doesn't need to be an economic system. Chinese economy is pure capitalism, but its whole system seems to be socialist. Every government in the world intervene to different degrees its economy in order to distribute its wealth so to reduce inequality. Being socialist is a trend when it comes to reduce poverty and inequality in the world, very likely because it appears to be the only solution out there that does what capitalism and market cannot do.
It wouldn't be surprising if Sanders won the next elections.
Il Diavolo
Created:
Posted in:
I would choose 2 and 4 so to wash my hands of it (if there is such expression in English).
Created:
Posted in:
This is the second thread that I see you open about the same subject. I don't think this is that serious, this movement is going nowhere.
What I can say though is that if you are fed up with these women, go MGTOW.
Il Diavolo
Created:
Posted in:
Lol.
Tough work conditions and low salaries fit much better in pure capitalist countries where goverment has few or no precense at all in the economy.
What you're discussing has to do more with what goverment does for their people, like set the minimum wage, the minumum working hours, social aid and other worker rights. Wild capitalism doesn't give a shit to all this, evidently, there's not need to even mention it.
Created:
Posted in:
Instead of thanking me to re-live your dull lonely thread, you accuse me of following you. ROFL. Who the hell do you think you are?
If you were a bit more intelligent (or empathic) you would realise that I meant it's not worth going through stress, despite of the fact that stress migh be useful at times. Yeah, stress can help us resolve problems, but in the long run it can degrade our health. And I can confirm that because I have been suffering from gastritis precesily due to the constant stress at work.
No, stress is not worth it, especially to people who take things seriously.
Il Diavolo
Created:
Posted in:
To me it's very suspicious that when the spam started to hit DDO, there was a dude around the site trying to convince people to move to another forum. Besides, this new site seemed to be better developed and professional, so maybe one thing is associated with the other.
Il Diavolo
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Goldtop
No, he's not ranting, he's trying to explain why you're wrong. It's because you're not informed or unbiased and you know very little of the subject matter. We all knew that when you were Archaholic on DDO.
Lol.
If you don't give any valuable scientific information about the matter at hand, I'm afraid I can't respond but just laugh at you.
Alright, Dan?
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Ramshutu
I gave you links to support my statements, especially that one of the scales and feathers. It was as clear as water.
The fact that you don't give a crap other people's comments, it's not my problem.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Goldtop
That is all you can do? Bring comments from other people to defend yourself? So sad.
This guy, by the way, was stubbornly repeting the same rant over and over again, even after I gave him an extense explanation of my point. I just got tired. At least you're funnier than him, that is why I respond your comments. Lol.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Goldtop
Well, you didn't read well as usual.
I don't get why you keep trying to debate if you have serious problems of reading comprehension.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@DebateArt.com
With all due respect, I think the non-commercial purpose stuff is something that you can't even believe it yourself.
Even if it were your hobby, you need some money to hold up this site. Have you ever thought about what you would do if this site gets more popular and you need to increase the bandwidth of the hosting service? As every site devoted to content, it's always possible to monetise it. But for that you need a bit of investment and time.
You've got to take it as a business anyways.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@mustardness
You remind me of a dude on DDO that used to answer with equations and some math. Lol.
His nickname is ebuc if I recall correctly.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Goldtop
I don't mind to ask you for details because I don't expect more from you.
ROFL!!
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@DebateArt.com
Try to at least make this site searchable in google.com and bing.com. There are people out there looking for forums like this.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@mustardness
Where do you live? If you don't mind me to ask, of course.
Created:
Posted in:
You just need a bit of advertisement.
And if you can't find soon a programmer to boost your site, sell it.
Il Diavolo
Created:
-->
@DebateArt.com
Give me an example
Don't pay attention to this old man, he never contributes to this forum. He's just a troll so I suggest you to put an eye on him and then ban him forever.
I also suggest you to consider the system of "likes" for each post, like in facebook. It would be interesting to know how popular is a poster and each one of his posts. The more likes a poster has, the better his posts are. Besides, people always love to see "likes" on their posts, so in this way they will make much effort to write better posts, and eventually the forum will get better.
Don't forget to allow images and video links in a post. If you think images and videos will overwhelm the forum, put them in hidden frames so if someone wants to see it, suffice to click on the "maximise" button to unfold it.
Il Diavolo
Created:
I agree with you all, guys. Forums are more popular than debates.
Il Diavolo
Created:
Posted in:
As far as I'm concerned, it's always possible to find a woman attractive whatever her ehtnicity is. Always. Especially when you're thirsty. Lol.
Il Diavolo
Created:
Posted in:
If Jesus had existed, I think he would have been a tremendous orator. It's not easy to persuade people and make them believe you're a God.
Il Diavolo
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Earth
As a side note, Hitler had good paintings.
This is curious. He was not admitted in the Art School because he was considered as not being enough skilled.
Il Diavolo
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Greyparrot
Not exactly Europe though. All of South America Was influenced through Simon Bolivar with hispanic governance, which focused on limited private ownership and government control of most things. Personal liberty wasn't even on the radar.
I don't know what Simon Bolivar has to do with all this. He was just a cruel dictator with utopian ideas that only influenced the northern South America (the region of Panama, Colombia and Venezuela). He is still despised by other countries, especially Peru and Bolivia, because of the terrible consequences of his actions.
South America and the USA gained their independence around the same time, but South America has yet to understand the value of individual liberty, individual responsibility, and the right to exist without government control over your life. South Americans have an incredibly hard time acquiring property with an insane amount of government regulation. Even if they manage to gain the title deed to a property, the next government regime can simply take it away. And you can forget handing anything over to your children in many South American countries. When individuals have no access to capital, and they have no collateral to loan against, they don't have the opportunities that Americans had. South America was mostly run by elites in government with much less freedom or control from individual citizens. This transcended into your dictator tropes..Peron, Che, Somoza, Pinochet, Diaz, Santa Anna, Chavez... and countless others.
You've got to admit the US constitution has its roots from French legislation, so it's not wrong to say that South America was influenced by European ideas.
What I agree with you though is that the ruling class in South America has been the main reason of our backwardness. That is what I meant when I pointed out the corruption as the main problem of South America, because it comes from the ruling class. Since the beginning these people have considered themselves as an ariostocracy, meaninig that they have privileges to make whatever they want with the land they inherited and the people living there. All this behaviour was passed down by their ancestors the Spanish colonizers, it's not surprised then that Spain is one of the most backward and corrupted country in Europe.
So yah it's a crappy place if you love individual freedom, but the income equality never translated to wealth for any of the countries, because wealth isn't created by simply printing money and equalizing everyone's income. That is how you create inflation like in Venezuela. Wealth is created with productivity, which can be achieved either through the whip or through the freedom to produce however much you want and be allowed to keep most of it, no matter how many jealous people want to rob you. I don't prefer the government control of the whip.
I think you're misunderstanding what socialism is about. It's not about taking money from the rich to give it to the poor. That is insane, backward and stupid. Socialism is about giving equal opportunities to everyone, either rich or poor. The rich has easy access to good education and health care, because of the money, resulting in a high probablity of succeding in life. On the contrary, the poor doesn't have it, especially the education which is a tremendous tool to thrive in life.
And yeah, with a well educated and healthy people you can have a more productive country as you say. But for that, you need low cost education and health care.
That is why Europeans have fun of you Americans, because you lack of education.
Il Diavolo
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Greyparrot
People like this guy are responsible for nearly all of South America's cuck ups.
South American policies are just a copy of European's. The difference is that in South America there is far more corruption than in Europe, and you can see it in Venezuela where this imbecile of Maduro does and undoes the country at will.
If Europe can give their people low cost public education, public health care and housing, I don't understand why the fvck the United States cannot do the same.
Il Diavolo
Created:
Posted in:
Me being the devil, I would retire to Rio de Janeiro which is my favourite place. :)
Created:
Posted in:
Aren't you the dude who made a "menage a trois" with two Colombians? You must be thiniking how to bang more chicks and not how to die.
Il Diavolo
Created:
Sounds like someone lost his girlfriend by a negrazo.
Created:
Posted in:
I think the US can increase taxes at Canadian levels because, you should admit it, there is no risk to do that.
Where would Americans go if they don't like the measure? Canada? It's too cold. Mexico? So many drug dealers, criminals and poverty. Europe? Too far.
Il Diavolo
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@keithprosser
Gold is valuable because of the law of market: demand and supply. At the beginning people used to demand gold for making clothes and accesories (watches, rings and all this shit). It was the most demanded metal as it's the most beautiful. So if you have something pretty demanded, its price would increase as much as people desire it. You might understand why people get crazy when see gold, you know you can sell it at a good price.
Now gold uses have expanded to other areas, which increased its demand and hence its price. One of them is as currency, because gold will always be a good object to exchange at a high value. So in times of inflation and crisis, it's natural gold price increases because everyone want to get protected with gold and not dollars. The green bills, on the other hand, is also valuable, but not because it has an intrinsic value but because the US economy gurantees its value.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@keithprosser
You're assuming prices come from agreements. Nothing could be further from the reality.
You likely don't know of costs and budgets, and less about the laws of market. Every company has one department devoted to it. So, to get a price people usually make a cost analysis, and then apply the profits the company expects (considering of course the competition), getting as a result the final price. This is how things work, prices are not made up or agreed.
As to gold, this is not something that falls from trees, there is a whole process to get it though. You need people, equipment, materials, services of many kinds, etc. Eventually, companies know how much to invest and evaluate if that investment is worthwhile in a particular market. Naturally, gold price is affected by the laws of market which are really complicated to determine because it's associated with currency and stocks.
Wages, on the other hand, are also affected by the laws of market. For example, inmigration affects the wage of workers because there is more labour force supply. Sometimes it happens that there is not enough specialised labour force, resulting in an increase of wages so to attract workers, which yields in a higher price.
There are wages that are agreed of course, because we know companies are greedy and usually abuse people. The minimum wage is probably the exception.
Il Diavolo
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@keithprosser
I'm asking you. If gold has an intrinic value either inepiece is a fair reward or it isn't.Of course it is not possible to say if it is afair wage - it depends on what it can be exchanged for. Society will establish an equibrium position but whetether tht equilibrium sets 6x6 hole digging at 1,2 or 10 gold pieces is not defined.
I'm not economist, but from what I've learnt in the only subject I took in the university about economics (Basic Economics, lol), prices are set up by the market, unless the govenment intervene the economy to adjust prices. But even so the government is just putting money (a subsidy) to decrease prices. Nevertheless it's possible to get an agreement to control prices, like the Arabs once did with oil, but this is not right and it's actually forbidden in any country because it would be monopoly.
Coming back to your question, digging a hole that big, I would need an entire day without the use of any machine, only by hand. A builder earns in average US$10.00 per hour, so 8 hours per day means US$80.00 per day. Gold is at present US$41.87 per gram, so if you want to pay me in gold to dig this hole, you need to pay me nearly 2 grams of gold, or a coin with that weight.
Il Diavolo
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Greyparrot
Typical American attitude, you first cock entire countries up and turn a blind eye later.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Greyparrot
You said the US has "the largest percentage of people in the middle class", and according to the last sentence it refers to the whole planet. Come on, bird, where is the strawman?
Adam Smith would be proud of America. Lol.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Greyparrot
I guess you didn't get noticed American middle class has been declining since the 90s, which means only one thing, that inequality in the US is getting higher since then. Actually, Canada has a bigger middle-class than the US in percentage, and in this country despised by Americans people pay a lot of taxes.
You would care more about equality in your country, no matter that you're just a bird.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Greyparrot
Yes, sure, this is the case in the US where there is such an obscene inequality growing more and more. Americans don't care about it, of course, as long as they keep wars in the Midlle East.
By the way, this kind of tax policies are applied in social democrat countries, especially in Europe. They understand that their people are an important asset for their development, which is why they socially support them, giving them a fair quality of life like good education, good housing, good healthcare, good social security. All of it at a low cost.
Il Diavolo
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@keithprosser
It depends on gold price and the wage for a digger.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@keithprosser
I think you're wrong. Many countries are choosing gold and not the green bills for their reserves nowdays because the US is not trustwrothy anymore. Gold is the metal of reference when it comes to money and economy since it has an intrisic value (if I understand correctly whta "instrinsic" means). Besides, neither people nor governments decide how much the gold costs, it's the law of supply and demand that fixes the price, or in other words it's the market that do so. So, if society collapses, what it's going to increase its price is for sure the things that have more demand and less supply, as food and water, and probably the gold because its production will decrease.
Il Diavolo
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Greyparrot
Unproductive people don't create wealth, so it's only fair to side with productive people.
They're unproductive if government doesn't give them social assistance.
And yeah, it's fair to side with rich people when it comes to finance wars, terrorists and dictators.
Il Diavolo
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@secularmerlin
Oh they may be money but money doesn't have intrinsic value. It only has the value of whatever it represents or the value we agree it has. So you owe me ten money. But the link was awesome.
If you're trying to say that money is symbolic because the material which it's made of has no value (obviously, it's a piece of metal or paper, it's not made of gold anymore), you're quite correct.
But in the past money used to have intrinsic value until we decided to "trust" the US in order to use its dollars instead of gold to trade internationally. I wonder if the US is still trustworthy.
Il Diavolo
Created:
-->
@WisdomofAges
Are you Australian?
Created:
Religions are plagued of false idols, including me. You said nothing new.
Il Diavolo
Created:
-->
@mustardness
As long as they're signalled.
As when you see the signal "no trespassing, guard dogs on duty", or when you see "Registed Gun Owner, no trespassing". Would you dare to trespass? I wouldn't.
Il Diavolo
Created:
Posted in:
It all depends on tax policies. The States is known to side with rich people, namely banks, and disregard the poor and the middle class, so I am not surprised about the tremendous inequality going on in this country.
It's not that complicated. Do you want less rich people and more middle-class families? Put more taxes on the rich and use these taxes in more social projects.
Il Diavolo
Created:
Posted in:
Human beings are social animals, what can you expect?
However, meditation has somehow proved that it's possible to overcome loneliness and even isolation. Budhist monks are used to spent long periods of isolation, just to give an example. Besides they claim it's a good thing, lol. So yes, it's possible to get isolated without suffering from depression or this kind of mental problems.
Created: