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@Greyparrot
Dude, it's not that black Americans make up stories about that. It's just that racism in the US has been so cruel and so humilliating that currently blacks see racism everywhere. They're very picky about that because of the fucking white men.
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@Analgesic.Spectre
Feminism is going nowhere? Have you never turned on a T.V. or been to a university campus?
Feminism have long been fighting agaisnt the treatment of women as sex objects. What have they attained so far? NOTHING.

So because there are some female feminists you don't like, all women should be avoided?

You're doing exactly what you're complaining about: tarring groups with the same brush. Not the first time I've seen a Mgtow make an idiotic comment.

Yes. That is "la raison d'etre" of this movement. MGTOW is a response to feminism, evidently. Besides, It's not necessary for a womam to be feminist to behave like a feminist at her convenience.


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@Alec
America is not a racist society.

Lol. Yeah, and lot of black guys are killed on the streets because they are bad.
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@Greyparrot
Many Brazilians disagree. In fact, if you are a person of color, the USA is the best place to live hands down than anywhere in Latin Amer
No way. Eventhough I'm half white, half black, I've been very welcomed in several places of Brasil. Brasil is perhaps the country with less racist cases in Latinamerica.

But Ive got to recognise there is racism in other countries, especially in countries with indígean population. These people are racists with black people, and viceversa. In any case, we don't kill people because of that, like in the US.
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@Greyparrot
Not as racist as the US.
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How humanist are you?
I'm 90% humanist, and I agree. I think it was because I don't trust 100% in science, evidently because science has its limitations.
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@Alec
What are you, then? Asexual?
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@oromagi
What are gay rights like in Uruguay?  My perception is that you're a fairly freedom loving bunch of folks down there.
Uruguay is more liberal than you think it is. We're the only country in Latin America where marihuana is legal, and homosexuals can get married. Nevertheless, there are still conservative people that don't like gays, they're very tolerant though. 

At any rate, I just wanted to know how it is in other countries because I see comedy movies, like "The Hot Chick" or "I now pronounce Chuck and Larry", where people laugh at gay things, and even more, they depict that being gay is inmoral, wrong, and not desirable.
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@Mopac
No. I am saying that the faith is not about following a set of rules, which will not in itself save you. it is about "charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned", "To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.", "to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God."
You're dodging the question. Are the commandments optional or do they need to be kept? Simple as that. I could do the same question regarding baptsim, for example.

The bible is full of rules.

Not the kind of love Christianity teaches, which is...

"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.

Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up;
Does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;
does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;
bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there isknowledge, it will vanish away.
For we know in part and we prophesy in part.
But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away."

This type of love is not an emotion.
Is it that difficult to say "I was wrong"? You behave like a non-Christian. Be more humble, please. Besides, the passage you are bringing up confirms love is an emotion, a feeling. Period.

If you fall in love with what the bible says and the type of God represented in there, that's fine. But never, ever, tell us that you can love the neighbor because it's bogus. Kant (the philosopher) used to say that "love is a matter of feeling but not of willing... so a duty to love is an absurdity". Likewise, Russel (another philosopher) used to think the same way, among other philosophers. You can't force anyone to love.


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5G tech is not futuristic. It's actually going to be launched this year as far as I know.
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@Alec
Why don't you care? Are you gay?
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@oromagi
That is exactly what I was talking about, jokes about men getting mistaken for gays. It's funny because nobody wants to be mistaken for gay, which tell us that being gay is still perceived as a wrong thing, or at least as humilliating.

I understand that you don't bother about it because you're gay, but for a heterosexual is rather annoying to be mocked like that. Actually, I still tease my little brother calling him gay, I do it because I know he will get pissed off.

I also see that Hollywood still produces comedy movies doing gay jokes. The question is if people like it, and if it's discriminatory.
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@EtrnlVw
That's cool, although I'm not sure what the last sentence means. For certain (IMO), there exists creatures and spiritual beings outside or transcendent of the physical domain but there is no reason for fear. I've seen spiritual beings as well as what people refer to as ghosts and there was no fear involved. The only thing we need to fear is our actions and the consequences thereof. 

When saying creatures and ghosts I was referring specifically to God, the devil, the angels, and the like.

By the way, have you seen spiritual beings? Are you sure it wan't a sort of hallucination or dream? I usually see "things" but only in dreams and when I dream awake. When I'm totally awake I see nothing.

Are you familiar with the term "subtle body" in Hinduism and some schools of Buddhist thought? 
No, I've never seen that. It looks a bit complex.
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In Latin America, gay jokes are very common and it's usually taken as laughing matter. I'm not sure if this is the case in other places, so I would like to know how gay jokes are taken in your country. Do you think it's funny? Discriminatory?

Based on my experience, it's humilliating to treat someone as gay, that is why I used to treat my friends as gays if I wanted to tease them. Now I don't do it any more because I'm grown up (I'm in my thirties).

What about you, dear poster?
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@Vader
If I don't like chicken noodle soup, should I be forced to eat it?

If you haven't eaten for 3 days, would you eat it?
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@EtrnlVw
I sympathise a lot with Buddism because it appears to be more coherent for our human nature. There are not creatures nor ghosts to be afraid of, and most importantly, it's not hypocrite.

In Buddhism, you understand that emotions, either positive (like happiness) or negative (like suffering), are inevitable and you cant get rid of them. However, it's possible to reduce these feelings by means of meditation so you can feel less the impact, especially the negative ones, which basically make us suffer.
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@Mopac
Christianity is not a legalistic religion to begin with, so your question is a bit misplaced. 
So, you're telling me the commandments are not meant to be kept, they are optional. Is it that?

Love is not an emotion. Not in the way we understand it. That is not true love.
Love is not an emotion? For God's sake, read again what you just wrote. 

Disspassion as a state of being is something that is obtained by the grace of God through the Christian discipline, which is fundamentally medicinal.
Dispassion is another way to say "refrain our emotions". Buddhism also teaches dispassion as a way to the enlightment, but this is not by any means take control over our emotions. We cannot control our emotions or how we feel. If someone hurts us, we hate or despise at least this person because it's a natural response.

Thinking otherwise is just hypocrisy. How right people are when it's said that the most hypocrite people in this world are in the churches.
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@EtrnlVw
And you can see how things ended up. His words got useless even for Christians that killed millions of people in his name.
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@EtrnlVw
That is exactly the point, Et. Compassion is not the same as love, because love, as well as hatred, are so meaninful words that you can't use them whenever and however you want.

Besides, I was refering to the second new commandment that says something like this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself". I mean, do you really think I can be obliged to love someone, whatever the meaninig of love is? What was Jesus thinking when he said that? Maybe you can do such thing because of your weird personality, but common people cannot comply with that because love is out of their control, love is not rational but more instinctive.

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@Mopac
Whatever you believe, you didn't refute my statement. Do you think it's possible to love someone by commandment? Im pretty sure this is logically ridiculous since we don't have control over our emotions. We can refrain our emotions but never take over them. I can love someone not because I decide it to be so but because it's something that comes from my primary instinct that I have no control of.

Whoever made this commandment should have been very nuts at the moment of doing this. It's a useless commandment.
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There might be a great number of transgenders in the States to discuss so profoundly about how to use the restrooms.

I wouldn't let them if you asked me. These people are mentally sick, so it's better not to risk.

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@Mopac
Unfortunately, it's incorrect to say we're made in God's image. Rather, God is made in man's image, which means man created God for his delight.

Look at how God is described in the sriptures, it's practically a human being with superpowers. But well, I guess you don't give a crap to my words, so keep preaching to people that really need this.
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Murder is to kill someone without his consent? So if I give my consent to be killed, is it right? Lol.

The only justification to support death penalty is that it's cheaper for the government. Either death penalty or life prison, the criminal will be no more a danger for society.
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Stop repeating that you "love us" because this is not true.

It's impossible and illogical to love someone by commandment. I'm sorry ET, that also goes for you.

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"GOD" ? which one ? regardless...all are man made garbage
What is wrong with you, mate?
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@Alec
And he might be an adult.
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@Alec
His silence shows he might be Irish.
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@Vader
Are you Irish, by any chance?

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You really don't take this forum seriously.

You should, kid.
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@keithprosser
I agree that a lot of people find strength and solace in religion.  In my view it's a placebo, but placebos often work.

Religion also has its downsides - what more is there to say?

It looks like a placebo but I don't think it is so.

I was talking about the purpose of life. And if we analyse further, we can come to the conclusion that life as we know it has no purpose. Eventually, it's oneself that has to give purpose to life in order to be happy. There would be people who want to have children and then they find out this is their purpose of life. There would be other people who think their purpose of life is to do something to better this world and they do politics and end up being happy. The same thing happen to religious people, they decide to have faith in a God in order to find a purpose of life.

Do religions have downsides? Of course, as many areas of human activities, like politics, or sports. But even so, it's still a human construct made up to give purpose to our pathetic life.

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@keithprosser
I'm refering to common people, not extremists.

What I know for experience is that most people in need, either spiritual or physical need, usually look for relief in a religion. Religions can give a sort of virtual happiness, no matter how fvcked you are, you are happy because you have faith.

At any rate, the purpose of life is very likely to be happy, whatever happiness means for people.

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I'm not religious but it's quite evident this is all about faith.

The goal of any religious is to have faith, enough to at least have a decent, happy and fulfulling life.

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@Goldtop
Looks like we have another Liar for Jesus. Yeah, you said you were Christian, you talked about your background and where you came from and how you're still a hard core Christian, and a Creationist, hence your failure at trying to refute evolution.
I guess you have Parkinson. Don't be ashamed of yourself, it happens to people of your age.

Lol.
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@EtrnlVw
Well let me be frank, the Bible is not all copied it has its own perceptions and unique works. Could some things have been borrowed? sure, but they could still put there own meaning behind any illustrations or story. So, I'm going to hesitate on agreeing with you here because I do happen to really admire Jesus and what he exemplified in the Gospels and to me, they are definitely unique. Jesus was certainly a spiritual Master. But, there are more than one spiritual Masters and they come in many forms all with the same basic purpose for the soul. These Masters come to this planet and help redeem mankind and their corrupt ways. Note, the opponents of Jesus in the Gospels were the corrupt religious authorities not the common man/sinner. The organized religious system had no idea what it meant to abide in the light of God. Everything to them are rules, doctrines and wealth/power/control.
It's quite difficult not to sympathise with Jesus, but I wouldn't be too categoric if I were you. See, everything Jesus said and taught had already been said before. Everything. But even so, I agree with the fact that Jesus was a great Master. He was so outstanding that people made a religion on him, which is very telling.


I'm not going to discount the idea or claim the Gospels were exaggerated or facts and teachings were left out. On the other hand, I will remind you that the Gospels come across as very genuine and Jesus WAS a spiritual Master. Masters are unusual and the higher the level the more profound the manifestations/abilities. Even if some of the accounts were exaggerated Jesus was certainly an above average man just judging by his disposition and ethics. I seriously doubt there was a good enough motive to make up this Jesus character in the time it took place, for it would have been certain suicide. The only thing that makes sense, is that Jesus existed and defied the religious rulers and was murdered for it. But again, I'm not a fundamentalist so my beliefs are not the same as a lot of the misconceptions and bizarre doctrines you mainly hear of. 
As far as Jesus being God, this traces back to Hinduism and eastern thought. Jesus actually said we are all sons of God (Gospel of Thomas) as well as we are "one". Jesus' confession that he was one with the father (God) is actually not new, we all come out of the heart of God as sons and daughters not just some souls....ALL souls and so in essence there really is no distinction between the very nature of God and the nature of the individualized soul other than our limited states of awareness. God has access to all channels of awareness and Jesus was killed for an Eastern system of thought and belief.
Basically you are not required to buy into religious doctrines if they don't sit well with you, as I said you are an individual on your own spiritual path and you have all the keys within yourself. 

Fair enough.
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@Goldtop
I'll take that as a concession considering you still haven't explained anything nor provided any kind of defense for putting up that link.
For God's sake, the article's title says: "What Constitutes a Spiritual Awakening? Awakenings of the spirit come in many different shapes and sizes." Where on the earth does it imply it's about alcahol and drugs? It's true that somewhere in the article the author refers to alcohol and drugs, but this is not the point. If you go back to school, you should learn that the first thing you should pay attention to in a reading is the title because the title sums up the content of what you're going to read.


You told us you're a Christian with your other userid from DDO, Archy. Whatever game you're trying to play as IlDummio isn't fooling anyone.
It's understandable that at your age your memories get fuzzy. But don't worry, I remember you that I've never said that. What I said though is that I sympathise with Christians which is not the same as to be a Christian.
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@oromagi
It's everywhere, dude. For instance:


And this one.


As to women, I remember a program in Discovery Channel that found out women with higher leadership skills have more testosterone. Eventhough women have lower and perhaps insignificant testosterone levels, it's easy to know what could happen to them if their testosterone levels increase a little bit. They very likely become like Xena, the warrior princess. Lol. I would like to know how americans call this kind of girls.

And yet we've never tried.  My original point was that so many of place a high value on democracy and majority rule but in the big picture- not one government has ever really tried it.  If we really believe in majority rule and women are almost always the majority in any culture, then we must give the women the reigns sometime and discover what that's like.
I've just found out you're gay checking out your profile. Geezis, you should have started with it. Now I get it why you're so naive in regards to gender equality.

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@Goldtop
You're a retarded funny troll. Lol. And not because I tell it, but because it's a concensus. Almost everyone here thinks the same way.

And I'm not even Christian. Haha. How did you come to this conclusion?
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@EtrnlVw
Again, no reason to use the term "God" for that....
Alright, I'm not willing to discuss a language that is not even my mother tongue anyway.

Okay, but you could learn about it AND experience it. But why not? you yourself are a sentient conscious being, so why reject the idea of another one? or a higher one? is that really that farfetched? consciousness comes from consciousness...
I'm not saying there couldn't be a higher conciousness. I'm just saying that your "God" described by judaism tradition can't be that higher conciousness you refer to.

Besides, what you experience is not the same at all as what other people experience. So, this is not a good way to demonstrate there is a higher consciousness around. 

While I do practice and take insights from the Bible I'm not referring to that. I'm an Omnist meaning that religions are the interpretation of that reality and I learn from all of them. That doesn't mean they are all correct either, thy have truth and they have errors.
That's interesting. You must know then that Judaism was a consequence of several traditions and religions that appeared before. So neither Judaism nor Christianity (which is nothing more than a heresy of Judaism) are original religions, but they were moulded and evolved over time based on other beliefs.

You can believe that without making the assumption that people just make things up, why assume that instead of accepting that people are trying to interpret what they are observing? to take the position that everyone is lying I have to ask myself how much have you looked into and researched within spirituality?
Ok, let's say people misrepresent reality and what they are taught all the time, which is a well documented phenomenon. As an example, Jesus was a simple human being as you and me, but he was so outstanding as preacher that his followers started to magnify and exagerate his figure and the stories around him, as a consequence it appeared fantastic stories such as the miracles, the resurrection, the appearences of dead prophets and so on, all of them exagerated by his followers and based on hearsay. In fact, it's almost true, according to many scholars, that Jesus was married and had a boy. But once again, that couldn't be an appealing story for a new religion, so his followers changed the story in order to magnify Jesus. Even the belief that he's a God started very late after the Christian church foundation. You must know the story, it's very well known, Christians got divided into two groups, the ones who believe Jesus was God and the others who believe Jesus was just a prophet. And I can tell more, but I guess you can find it out by yourself.
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@Vader
Alright, Kid. What I write in this forum is as serious as any document I write in real life, that is why I sign it.

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@Vader
Why do you ask? Can't I?
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@oromagi
What is that understanding?  How do those hormones work?
Testosterone is what makes the difference. Some biology reading can enlighten you.

Men were traditionally head of the household in all the cultures of the early Christians- Roman, Greek, & Hebrew.  I don't think it can be fairly said that Christianity made some conscious move towards elevating men.  If the Nag Hammadi literature tells us anything, it's that women were more important in the early Christian church than just about any other Mediterranean religious institution- Isis worship, perhaps.
One thing is to believe women are more important, which is true, and other thing completely different to believe women can lead this world, which I really doubt.

unsubstantiated, unsubstantiatable, and blech.
There are several studies that have shown women with leadership capabilities have a bit more of testosterone than the average woman.

I said average.  Are you putting forward Alexander as an average male leader?
I'm just saying that a man can be greater than any woman could ever be.

I'm thinking of Elizabeth I, Catherine the Great, Zenobia, etc.  You're countering with tech bro surveys?  You have attributed effective female leadership to an excess of testosterone but also to male supervision- do you mean both?
Both, of course. If you don't supervise women at work, it could be a mess.

And talking about tech and CEOs, the number of executive females have decreased last year. Why could it be?


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@Goldtop
You must be mentally retarded, Archy. Obviously, you didn't read the article.

Lol. Typical answer when you lack of arguments.

You've got to recognise that reading is not for you.
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@disgusted
All gods are the creation of man.

Very likely.
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@Goldtop
That's an article on alcohol and drug addiction, is that how you understand God. Nonetheless, you still couldn't explain it, as I predicted. Probably too much alcohol and drugs, Archy?

Did you read it all? Make another try, oldy. It's not too late to learn how to read. Do it s-low-ly this time.
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@oromagi
I don't disagree except that I get the impression you're suggesting that men outperform women in the activity of government- which I don't buy.  Obviously, there have been far fewer women in the top spot in any style of government but when you evaluate the average quality of leadership shown by those women against the average quality of leadership shown by men, the women are far, far, superior.  Now, small sampling sizes can skew the comparison but I think that history demonstrates the superiority of female heads of state to a sufficient degree to warrant a popular embrace of women in executive positions across the board.
Due to a basic understanding of how hormones work in men, I can say with confidence that men are born to own this world. It's not our fault, it's just how nature made us. That is why Christinity put men as head of family. Evidently, I can't deny there were conspicous women who performed very well as leaders, which make us think that nature is sometimes generous with women giving them a little bit more of male hormones (testosterone).

So, I have to disagree with your statement. I can mention some male figures that can make my point, like Alexander the Great, Constantine, or Napoleon.

In contrast, the idea of women being in executive positions without any sort of male supervision could be counterproductive as it actually happened in a well-known company:


I hope you stop thinking there is any remote possibility that women can be in the "top spot" as leaders, regardless of some honorable exceptions.

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@oromagi
Boo. Women are the majority of all Americans (we seem to just be talking about US here), and in a democracy, majorities rule.  Until women at least once had a majority in Congress, in the courts, and multiples presidencies, until women have acheived more tangible milestones in the assumption of power, we are failing, as Americans, at representing our majority.

The first thing Americans should understand before demanding gender equality is that men and women are different in nature, so the results and performance of each gender are going to be different, depending on the type of activity or job. Forcing otherwise is not just moronic but unfair.

The law has been making its job, which is give equal opportunities to either men or women. If men outperform women in most activities despite law, that is the way mother nature made us. Going against nature is a call to mediocrity and inefficiency.

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@keithprosser
That is the point. It's quite difficult to prove there is a "suitable God" for each religion, let alone a proof of a higher conciousness.

But focusing on the matter at hand, I see Christians usually "huminise" God to the point that it's impossible to believe in a God like this, almost a human.

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@Goldtop
You haven't explained anything primarily because you don't know how to explain something. See your hilarious failure in the Science forum to observe what I'm referring.
Maybe this article can explain it.

www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/some-assembly-required/201404/what-constitutes-spiritual-awakening

Religions are just one way to wake up spiritually.

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@Goldtop
Why? What point is there to that? What will we learn? What can we achieve? How do we benefit from that understanding?

It doesn't matter how many times I explain this to you, you will never understand it.
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@EtrnlVw
Knowledge in and of itself is not classified as God, I'm not really sure what your point is. If you don't believe in an intelligent higher power then there is no need to use that term. 
I understand I can believe in values, morals, and why not in knowledge. Knowledge is freedom.


The concept, in your view has become irrelevant I believe. If I may ask, what problem do you have with God as a higher conscious Being?
I'm not sure if there is such a higher conscousness. I'm agnostic and I cannot know about that.

What I'm pretty sure though is that the "God" the bible refers to is not the higher conciousness you claim it exists. It's impossible to know that.

What I believe, according to my knowledge of history, is that people made up those stories about a creator as many cultures actually did. The jews were not the only human group that came up with such definitions. There are a plethora of religions out there claimining the same thing, why should I believe the jew's story is the right one? What I believe is that human beings have always tended to create stories in order to explain what they cannot explain, like for example our origins and the creation of this universe. Of course, the easier way to do that is by creating an omnipotent being, but how do we know this is true? All of it was cooked up in people's head, I'm afraid. This is the typical people's behaviour we have to acknwoledge and we don't need to be embarrassed, this is what we are.

Besides, what if these ancient human groups had a sort of contact with alliens and they interpreted this contact as if they were "angels"? The bible refers several times to flying ships and people appearances, so it's not far fetched to think they were alliens. Why rule out these possibilities?

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