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@badger
Well,
In #67 you say,
"If black people can maneuver AA, they should."
Which I don't really understand,
If black people are identified as a group with their own interests and aims,
That they ought act underhanded if it serves their interests,
Then logically other groups exist as well,
And by your words, I see the implication of total war, in service of one's own group/self.
Which to me sounds moronic, well, unless one 'does value their group, in which case there's logic,
But I thought you were among the group of people appealing more to humanity, than skin color.
. . .
You also say,
"Your nation hasn't the first clue what fairness means."
Which you don't show/prove/demonstrate, just claim.
So I'll just claim as well, my nation seems fair to my view.
In #72, you say,
"Because in a country with no free college or healthcare, it is a lifeline. And it's better to be resented than dead."
Which I also don't get,
The government not giving people free healthcare or college, isn't a death sentence,
But I run with your post,
And posit that if a country ran on individuals and groups being dishonest and uncaring of honor, the country would be damaged,
You respond #74
"Now you're getting it."
Which I don't really,
You seem to suggest a nation damaging policy and claim that it's good, is all I get.
. . .
I don't mean this all in sarcasm,
I just don't get your logic or point really.
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@badger
I'm only getting that you're more and more wrong, with every post you make.
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@badger
Wouldn't that logic apply to 'any individual/group?
And create a society of conflict, of double faced, two dealing, liar, who prioritize victory no matter the means, or other people?
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@badger
@#67
Why should they?
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@badger
@#44
Arbitrary physical characteristic being valued,
Implies to 'other arbitrary physical characteristics, that tribes of physical characteristics 'do exist 'do matter 'ought be valued.
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@badger
You made the point of the Irish caring and loving 'everyone Irish,
By pointing out Free College enrollment,
Implying College for everyone,
And yet, doesn't 'seem to be College for everyone.
New Fees,
" In the mid-1990s, Ireland abolished tuition for full-time undergraduates to expand access to higher education and address social inequalities. Under this “free-fees” policy, 90 percent of full-time Irish undergraduates do not pay tuition (which most Europeans typically refer to as “tuition fees”). However, students pay other fees that policymakers have increased substantially since the free-fees policy was put in place. This “student contribution” is now €3,000 ($3,600) per student, per year, although many low-income students receive grants to offset it.
Some observers argue that Ireland does not really have a free-college policy, because student contribution levels are now significant."
Some observers argue that Ireland does not really have a free-college policy, because student contribution levels are now significant."
Immigrants offsetting the statistical claims,
"The high attainment rate appears to be more the result of well-educated workers immigrating to Ireland than of Ireland’s own higher education policies. And despite the real progress Ireland has made in increasing access to higher education for a greater share of the population, equity of access by family income and social status has not improved commensurately."
Possible failure of government to preform as well as free market.
"Furthermore, the free-fees policy has at times led to constrained resources and boom-bust financial cycles for Ireland’s higher education system, which may have reduced educational quality. Without the ability to charge tuition or fees beyond the allowed student contribution, public higher education institutions must rely on government funding for the vast majority of their revenue. Many in Ireland argue that the government has not adequately funded institutions in recent years, particularly in response to the rapid enrollment growth the country’s higher education sector experienced.
The resource constraints caused by the free-fees policy have led many stakeholders to conclude that the current funding system is unsustainable."
The resource constraints caused by the free-fees policy have led many stakeholders to conclude that the current funding system is unsustainable."
I am cherry picking the article,
The article is more even handed.
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@badger
@#36
And yet, the poor go less often than the middle or rich, I 'think?
Not a sarcastic I think, but me stating my uncertainty, I'm bad at sources.
+1·1 yr. ago
What about inclusion of disadvantaged people also? What message does that send?
The current system results in the following:
Students from the most affluent parts of Dublin are up to 14 times more likely to progress to university than their counterparts from some schools in the city’s most disadvantaged areas, the annual Irish Times “Feeder Schools” supplement shows.The survey reveals that most schools in better-off parts of the city – such as Dublin 2, 4 and 6 and 14 – had progression rates of 90 per cent or more. By contrast, individual schools in more deprived parts of the capital – such as Dublin 10, 11, 17 and 24 – had progression rates as low as 7 per cent.
It is really bizarre that a majority of this thread talk about free fees to insure there are lower income students in College without realising there are basically fuck all to begin with. Fees are not the issue. It is shit education in working class areas and a lack of support for these students to go to third level
But I guess optics is more important than ensuring students can go to College...
. . .
Walk around one of the main Dublin universities (UCD, DCU, TUD or UD), and listen to the accents of most people around you. By and large students are middle class, and come from middle class backgrounds. The official stated aim of free fees was to increase social mobility and open up higher ed to people from worse-off backgrounds. Not just to be a giveaway for people who realistically would already have found a way to get to college, somehow or another. Free fees have been a huge failure on the social mobility front; people from disadvantaged or working class backgrounds still can't afford to go to college, even with free fees, because they can't afford to not be working/on the dole during all that time.
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@badger
@#30
What purpose is there to acquirement, if it does not effect one's circumstances?
Supposedly people with college earn more money, why should I have to pay off the fees they freely accepted, Biden?
If I live a healthy life, save my money, why should I be forced to pay for the aid of those who did not live such?
@#32
You pretend as though when the state 'forces an action, you are choosing it yourself.
And as someone said earlier in the thread, no avoiding circumstance,
Even if the college is free,
Is the rest of life made free?
Can someone dirt poor 'afford to go to college easily, even if 'college is free, there's the rest of life to live and pay for, housing, food, kids,
Though maybe I underestimate how much the Irish give it's people?
I don't think so though.
In America one can enter the military, get the GI Bill,
One can choose to go to a cheaper community college,
Or prove themself early on in life, be a Valedictorian, perhaps a scholarship,
Go to a trade school.
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@Mharman
Any favorite soundtracks/game releases for the Pokémon music?
Or does it stay relatively consistent throughout releases?
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@badger
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@Intelligence_06
That such might be 'did occur to me,
Bit of an unpleasant thought though,
Seems like it would be better to be 'without such desires,
If one thinks that for most people 'afford, has more to do with danger, than morally unacceptable, I 'assume, but may be wrong.
Well, better to be without, only if one values not 'being such a person.
. . .
Then again, maybe I'm wrong, and people desire morally acceptable actions more than power and their own desires heedless of others.
. . .
Then again, again, some people make argument about people letting out their emotions some,
Like a pressure cooker needing to release steam before it explodes,
And there being healthy and unhealthy methods.
Though I'm doubtful games of dark desire and fantasy are the healthy method for such human energy. if it be,
Though people vary.
. . .
Hm, some people watch horror films,
But I'm doubtful they'd usually 'want to be the protagonist or antagonist,
Wanting a scare perhaps,
High of suprise, anxiety.
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I wonder why violence, conflict occurs so much in games,
I suppose it's because how many see or is life,
Interactions, comparing, defending, defeating, outdoing,
Even a game like Farmville, I'd imagine be about competition for some people.
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@3RU7AL
I like that you suggest solutions,
Though solutions still bit in brainstorm category.
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@ebuc
Nice, foresight, strong planning, construction.
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@Mharman
Drip,
That's some type of slang I forget,
Ah,
"Drip means the expensive clothes and jewelry you wear and your swag (the way you dress and look). When you have a lot of swag, you have a lot of drip. You would be drippin'. The term and slang “Drip” has been used by Gunna, Young Thug, Future, Lil Uzi Vert, 21 Savage and many more"
Eh, I usually think of common depictions of Jesus, as him wearing a simple linen robe,
Hm, Google search varies,
Some depictions have him in fine clothing, looks gold edged type robes, fancy ,
But no,
I think 'most depictions of his clothes are fairly simple,
Still, I don't have statistics of his depictions.
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@Mharman
They still ought be blaring the Halloween music eh?
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@Mharman
Certainly is, winter theme 'already popping up in stores.
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I wonder what other people spend their money on.
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@Sidewalker
I wouldn't say 'better, myself,
Though one often values ingroup more than outgroup,
Sometimes value outgroup more than ingroup,
Still, groups overlap, and vary,
An individual fitting into many different groups,
People selective at times of what group they value.
Though I'm using the word group as characteristic, be it physical, political, religious.
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@Sidewalker
There's probably some crazy angle in the phrase Replacement Theory I'm missing,
Since I don't pay attention to it much, or read things like the Turner Diaries.
Still, I'd imagine a fair bit of culture 'is blood and ancestry, though I suppose even a culture that relies on adoption could continue well enough,
But adoption 'would require the adoptees see themselves 'truly in the adopter.
Might be people saw the demographic changes coming 50 years ago,
And certainly 'seems like people were riled up about it back then,
I forget how few years have passed sometimes, in historical events that I wasn't around yet for.
. . .
I don't mean the above as defending any group,
Just as a note that 'any semi-established group develops an identity, I think,
And with identity comes defensiveness, desire to continue oneself, often,
Of course old groups become shed skin, but their immediate successors hold their characteristics,
Of course groups splinter into new pieces, but the splinters hold the grain of that which they splintered from.
. . .
I do think our justice system, police system,
Would benefit from some improvement.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
@Sidewalker
Well, polarization 'does prove to be an enemy in modern politics, it seems,
Though I'm not sure that it's the people's 'politics, so much as people of such different views being so close to each other,
The Left and Right in general, nowadays, I mean.
No, then again as I think on it,
There's more conspiracy theories on the Right and active nuts, than I care for,
Not that there aren't any on the Left,
. . .
I really do think 'some of the Right's craziness, came from the Lefts craziness,
And of course when people encounter opposition to their values, beliefs, actions, they often become more entrenched.
. . .
Hm, no, 'most of all I blame Trump, who in a position of power has 'encouraged division, as the spark, 'moreso than the push that elected him.
. . .
Still, McCain wasn't that long ago, who was not a bad fellow,
. . .
. . .
Hm, about race you say?
I 'do remember seeing Ferguson on the news, 2014,
When people right or wrong 'Identify themselves as a group, it makes others aware of them as The Other, I'd suggest,
Doesn't matter if race or politics,
Which isn't 'always bad, groups of different people can get along, all sorts of identifiable groups,
I remember Charlottesville, about a statue of Lee wasn't it?
Not that I cared much myself, communities can do what they want with their communities, though I might disagree, eh, their choice.
But, again,
Makes people aware of the other, suggests 'truth to the replacement theory,
BLM, which people disagree on how bad or good it was,
Certainly Trump handled it 'terribly.
Hm, probably race 'does hold some water as a reason for some people,
Though myself race isn't my political disagreement so much with the Left.
One only has to read a smidgeon of history, to see what countries are,
That people think America and many other nations don't assassinate, bribe, and plot against other nations all the time, baffles me.
"On April 12, 1982, Yuri Andropov, the chairman of the K.G.B., ordered foreign-intelligence operatives to carry out “active measures”—aktivniye meropriyatiya—against the reëlection campaign of President Ronald Reagan."
"when a government is behind the effort then it’s an attack." - IwantRooseveltagain
Pearl 'Harbor was an attack.
I think I read fine, maybe you need to write better.
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@Sidewalker
I 'did have
"Sure it's something I count as a Con in Trump,
But it doesn't make him a traitor to be hanged, in my book."
In my #93 post, but edited my post shortly after.
I 'do think that Trump has had a negative effect on the country.
A coworker of mine who voted for him, didn't like him much, but hoped he would shake up the establishment, lead to something better during or after him, but more in 'spite of Trump, than Trump causing something posative,
Bit like a forest fire I suppose, causing regrowth after clearing out the forest,
Or a third force entering a battle, which causes the two earlier feuding factions to unite against it.
I expected the Republican party to reject Trump myself, I was surprised when they didn't,
I'm unsure if they're intimidated by Trumps popularity, or whether they agree with some of his political stances,
Though the intimidated by popularity seems more likely to me,
And a great pity if so, as I think the Republicans could have been great and admirable, if they had not taken in with Trump.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
So, you're claiming that propaganda is exactly the same as declaring an official war?
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@Sidewalker
To me influence and propaganda looks like a 'constant in nations interactions,
This week, the Stanford Internet Observatory and social media analysis firm Graphika detailed a five-year operation that was pushing pro-Western narratives. (The research follows Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram as they remove a series of accounts from their platforms for “coordinated inauthentic behavior.”)
The propaganda accounts used memes, fake news websites, online petitions, and various hashtags in an attempt to push pro-Western views and were linked to both overt and covert influence operations. The accounts, some of which appear to use AI-generated profile pictures, targeted internet users in Russia, China, and Iran, among other countries. The researchers say the accounts “heavily criticized” Russia following its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February and also “promoted anti-extremism messaging.” Twitter said the activity it saw is likely to have originated in the US and the UK, while Meta said it was the US.
The propaganda accounts used memes, fake news websites, online petitions, and various hashtags in an attempt to push pro-Western views and were linked to both overt and covert influence operations. The accounts, some of which appear to use AI-generated profile pictures, targeted internet users in Russia, China, and Iran, among other countries. The researchers say the accounts “heavily criticized” Russia following its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February and also “promoted anti-extremism messaging.” Twitter said the activity it saw is likely to have originated in the US and the UK, while Meta said it was the US.
What makes the intensity so great, so blatant, so Earth shattering, from your point of view?
(Not meant as a sarcastic question, I'm honestly looking for information about your view)
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Maybe you should have been more precise with your request,
You said,
"Name anther election in which Russia tried to help a specific candidate."
You didn't specify within the last 69 years, or specify that they had to meet with their campaign manager.
Alright then,
"1984 election (by Soviet Union)[edit]
Main article: 1984 United States presidential election
When Ronald Reagan was running for reelection as president, the Soviet Union opposed his candidacy and took active measures against it.[151] Soviet intelligence reportedly attempted to infiltrate both the Republican National Committee and Democratic National Committee.[151]"
I'm not bothering to find out if the Russians met with a campaign manager in 1984 though.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
@#88
Oh please, it's common of nations to influence other nations futures,
Though the methods, degrees, vary,
As of course some methods lead to outrage,
But even just a head of state expressing approval of a candidate has an effect.
Specific example though?
"Adlai Stevenson II had been the Democratic Party presidential nominee in 1952 and 1956, and the Soviets offered him propaganda support if he would run again for president in 1960, but Stevenson declined to run again.[142] Instead, Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev backed John F. Kennedy in that very close election, against Richard Nixon with whom Krushchev had clashed in the 1959 Kitchen Debate."
. . .
Not that I'm saying it's not something to be leery of,
But so many on the Left act as though a number of recent events are unheard of, or of Earth shattering importance.
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@Public-Choice
I don't know,
Probably poor,
I suspect I,
Rely too much on external information, sources, rather than memorization of information in my brain,
Multiple rough drafts and organizations of thought, which I rely on typing out upon a computer, rather than laying out in my mind.
Might be a bit hesitant to disagree online, perhaps even moreso in person,
Though maybe it's that I dislike being wrong, so I hesitate to speak, rather than desire to not offend, maybe both.
I don't argue or debate with people, in person really,
So online debating ability would only partially transfer.
I suppose I could test my in person debating ability by using Discord,
But it's not a priority for me.
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@3RU7AL
Heh, I guess we're all witches then,
As I assume we all estimate one another's 'intents,
Also 'any interaction we have in society.
Of course I'm not a 'court of justice,
No jurisdiction but over myself, in my chosen response to others,
But official courts,
And even small courts such as DART Mods,
Hold their theories on intent, as a matter of no small importance.
. . .
An individual who offends another unintentionally,
May be making a rare or correctable error,
An individual who offends intentionally,
Is likely to be preforming a habit, less correctable by the importance they hold their desire to offend.
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@Topic, no post in particular.
Moral culpability matters more as functional culpability of value,
Maybe.
People make errors in relation to their abilities,
Sometimes errors occur of gross negligence,
That is to say a lack of thought or capability practiced.
If one values the error not occur, and it is within their ability,
They will feel culpability,
Though even in matters related to us, we see steep inclines, we do not expect to overcome.
. . .
A person working in a hospital, knows of the 6 Rights,
- Identify the right patient. ...
- Verify the right medication. ...
- Verify the indication for use. ...
- Calculate the right dose. ...
- Make sure it's the right time. ...
- Check the right route.
People make errors, more or less depending on their nature, nurture, and circumstance.
But it is not something to be passively accepted,
Effort is expected to be made, that said person is up to the standards expected of their position.
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Why is effort expected?
Because of past experiences and value,
If one values not making mistakes,
Values patient care,
Values other's appraisals,
They will effort to not make mistakes,
They will effort because in the past, effort has shown to change oneself, to make mistakes less likely,
To practice awareness, consciousnesses.
. . . .
Of some people, their past experiences show unlikelihood of effort changing them,
Culpability is also expectation,
As well as relation.
. . .
An incapable, unable to improve person, may be related to a circumstance,
Still they might feel culpable,
For experience does not always show what is 'possible.
Nor does incapability exclude 'desire.
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Maybe.
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@CoolApe
@#4
In the Pendragon series The Reality Bug - Wikipedia,
There was a society that pretty much abandoned the real world, as they found the virtual world more enjoyable.
Houses, roads, falling to disrepair, as I recall.
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@Mharman
Say for example a person dislikes Communism,
When Communists enter their community sphere,
Probably a bad idea to go so far against them as an idea, to say kill all Communists,
But is there much reason to draw 'near to their ideas, except for what is necessary or logical,
Responses to natural disaster, well paved roads,
Though 'even then, there's reason in opposing 'any cooperation, as familiarity can breed acceptance.
But is it polarization to refuse them jobs, immigration?
Probably,
But I suppose it becomes a question of one's 'other values, in relation to what value they hold Communism.
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I mention Communism, as it appears as an example in American history, of people being blacklisted, so becomes an easy situation reference in my mind,
Not out of any intention to bash or praise Communism.
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I have difficulty distinguishing when some people online speak in good faith,
But is this true?
Isn't it rather that I've identified it,
To be more often than not,
Or often enough to be irritating,
That a person will speak in bad faith?
After all,
I can't tell if or when 'anyone online is speaking in good faith,
Though certain people and posts 'do seem more likely than not,
And certain individual posts 'are more obvious than not, in 'appearance, to be good or bad faith.
. . .
Hm, but some people do speak chaotic,
That their speech can be divided good and bad,
But fact that they speak so much bad, devalues the good's chance in being seen as good.
. . .
Course, one can be misunderstood, their meaning, intention, character, ability,
Hm, it's well enough to identify when I like talking to a person or not.
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Curiosity, seems to have been made a harder to control habit,
With each advent of written information, I'd imagine,
But perhaps people are more open, interactive, questioning, talkative in places of only the spoken word?
Though one's restraint may restrain them from certain ideas,
The easier an apple is to pick,
More the restraints fail,
Hm, but are these restraints then physical? Rather than mental?
No, mental restraints may experience degradation, if one get's habituated to seeking certain questions,
And yet possibly 'only in that 'one method,
Becoming open to information on the internet, can lead to dependence on said source,
And a lack of openness to in person socialization.
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@Niaa
I've never really paid 'much attention to what church says on the subject,
But arguments against it, can fit into science easy enough I'd figure,
Not that I'm saying people should or should not.
People are partially formed of their experiences,
Some experiences are habit forming,
Experiences being what they are, forming of character,
It's not a crazy argument that looking and thinking about smut, can leave an imprint on a person's mind,
Greater the time or impact, greater the impression, one would suppose.
. . .
That being said, people are also formed of themselves, their material, genetics, set habits,
People vary in libido,
Probably easy for low libido to avoid,
Hard for high, to avoid.
Some habits like beer, easier to avoid, never start,
But harder to avoid ever starting an 'idea, being born with the parts as humans are.
. . .
Still, I doubt that the 'only way to control it, is to use it,
Though might be that works for some people,
To me it'd seem more likely that using it, increases it,
Habits like rivers, cut deeper a channel, more they flow.
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Esperanto sounds like a type of coffee, to me.
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@Solaris1
@#1
The concept of soul has been on my mind lately, as I think about worldbuilding,
My initial preference is a science fiction fantasy, that is to say a world that works according to my materialistic worldview,
But magic in fiction is fun,
So I make it a world, who's now extinct forerunners, genetically manipulated themselves, to form a number of generic fantasy races,
Unusual races, still easily in sci fi,
Unusual abilities, well, there are electric eels, flame spitting bugs, poison cobras in Earth nature,
A measure of the fantastic in individuals potential and effort grabbed ability is possible,
But then I come to necromancy,
How would a raising of skeletons even work, by their previous call to life, their spirits?
But that is 'too far in fantasy for my world view,
Additionally, and here's where I start to address this threads topic,
What is 'meant by spirit, soul?
. . .
The Witch of Endor consults the spirit of Samuel,
In the Romance of the Three Kingdoms, Guan Yu's spirit, after his death, haunts some people to death, before being chastised by a monk of something,
Some other religions believe in reincarnation,
And if they meant the material and energy of the body, circle of life, that's logical for me,
But I think they mean,
"rebirth of the aspect of an individual that persists after bodily death—whether it be consciousness, mind, the soul, or some other entity—in one or more successive existences. "
Nature and Nurture passing on is not what is meant by a number of people, by the soul and spirit, I'd argue.
. . .
So I again wonder, what 'is the soul?
I'll accept the immaterial exist, such as concepts of math, game theory,
But these concepts are divorced from humans, not inborn, 'I think.
. . .
And even 'with argument of human propensity for them, such would be 'material.
I find myself unable to view the soul as something other than material,
Yet if it is material, then it is mundane, merely an extension of life as is.
What is meant, value had, or 'Ego, in the immaterial?
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@Mharman
When they're equally matched, it 'can lead to a lot of back and forth of nothing, as a nation atrophies from nothing being done,
Except for the moments where two sides friction sparks light up fires, and burn places and people up, even worse, a faster destruction.
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@zedvictor4
World Trade Center 'was and 'is a bit distanced an event for me,
I'd agree there's a difference between first and 2ndhand experiences.
No worries about where from,
And thanks for the thoughtful compliment.
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@AI judges thought
I recall in Jade Empire video game,
There was an opportunity to debate in the game,
The three judges of the debate had preferences, that you had to juggle during the debate, to get them all on your side,
'But the game had limited options/variables,
Though 'possible human experience in court can also have limited variables,
'Simplest justice, such as whether a person stole or not,
But then can become as in Oblivion video game, I mis clicked I didn't mean to steal that apple
"THEN PAY WITH YOUR BLOOD!" - Guard
I recall in Ultima video game,
There was a robot statue of justice, that a village used to judge people,
Villain in game had reprogrammed the judge,
One way to win quest was to discover this sabotage.
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@Yassine
Of 1.
Telling women that they aren't the property of men, probably 'does lead to declining population,
But by our values, it is the right action.
LGBT, Well, telling people they 'have to get married and have kids, even if they aren't attracted to the opposite sex, probably 'does lead to a declining population,
But again, by our values, it is the right action.
Values emphasizing individuality, I mean.
Of 2.
Hm, of world statistics, other nations, I'm not very knowledgeable.
Of 3.
I agree, people 'are a powerful resource,
Though of quantity 'and quality,
By this I'm not saying that LGBT or feminism promotes quality or not,
Just that a focus on quantity above quality, can have negative effects.
Of 4.
We're all part of the world,
And as mankind has grown, we all find ourselves interacting with each other more than the past,
It'd be easier to be isolationist, if we lived in an older era,
Before planes, trains, and automobiles,
Internet, phones,
Though I want for each to their own,
The countries of the world interact too much, influence too much, to ignore.
To have ignored the world, would have been to let the USSR do as they like to Germany, and 'then, and then?
No, one must be mindful of one's power, responsibility, other's.
Of 5.
People often 'do follow example, I'd agree.
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@3RU7AL
People disagree on that question.
'But there 'are child rearing methods, that people theist or atheist, would agree that the information given by the parent is child abuse,
'Probably I say, as I don't actually have a sources.
Some societies 'have limited what is taught in their lands, both in history and now, I'm pretty sure, including beliefs in what existence is and what people ought do.
. . .
Our society places a 'bit more emphasis on parents, individuality, than on state mandate, 'currently, I 'think.
. . .
Still, Kanye hasn't been 'banned by government, of appearing on the media,
The 'individual media has 'chosen to shun him, for reasons of they think his ideas wrong, false, and dangerous to society,
Or dangerous for their profits, either one.
The media isn't like the Christian Cake shop being forced to make a wedding cake for gays,
Though I 'think I don't agree with that case either.
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@3RU7AL
I am missing your meaning, in post #23,
Is it positive to limited censorship, prevention of lies, harm, disinformation?
Or negative, as in mocking people for being 'too reliant on caretakers, rather than being proactive individuals?
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@zedvictor4
Many events are 2nd hand, even in the same 'time.
I did not see the World Trade Center fall with my own eyes reflected, it was recordings to me brought,
Recordings like writing can be edited,
But I do not doubt the World Trade Centers fall.
Though I may doubt other parts of history, some videos, that's not the point I'm trying to make, my point is first hand, isn't 'everything.
The memories will 'not be extinct, they have been written down, recorded.
In school I never did learn of the Australian Aboriginal massacres,
But I did learn of the Native American deaths, loss of land,
I'm from America.
But even without an event being tied 'directly to one's own country,
There is value in 'world history, other countries histories and events,
'Lot of history I admit, but I'm not saying people can't find value elsewhere, or that they 'have to learn history, but I find it valuable, and so too others, I'd say.
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@3RU7AL
People have contrary desires,
Desires for freedom,
Desires for safety,
Ones doesn't always seem to beat the other,
The mixed paints become grays,
Subjective ideas of right and wrong, acceptable or not.
Uniform enforcement 'does, seem something people often want though.
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If man is still allliiivve,
Ah wait, that's the year 2525. . .
Gilgamesh is what, about 4700 years ago?
Still something worth thinking on for me, concepts of man.
Or the Hurrian Hymn no.6, 3400 years ago,
Still holds value to me, though reconstruction,
So long as the fallen trees have not weathered into the dust and grass,
Ought we not think there was sound, in their fall?
And even if silent, even if we have not surveyed all trees,
We 'have seen what we have,
We have within our power to seek out more,
Have in our desire of power, knowledge, joy, understanding.
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I prefer living in a free society myself,
It sounds that we agree that people have a measure of responsibility in causality?
Though I 'am unsure about lawfully, depends on the country.
Some words, books, 'have been illegal, 'are illegal, depending what country one is in.
But even in America, can't say f*** on a kids show, I imagine, censors prevent it,
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Hm, so I suppose making suicide illegal to depict wouldn't be too hard in societies, though you and I might prefer to live in a more free society.
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“Look not at what is contrary to propriety; listen not to what is contrary to propriety; speak not what is contrary to propriety; make no movement which is contrary to propriety”
A person is what they eat, what they immerse themself in,
There 'is logic, in a society that implements censorship, though one might argue eventually it can censor 'too much, that it loses it's origin.
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Basic cause and effect,
I shout fire in a theater, people are effected,
One might say, the 'people stampeded over one another, trampled that man to death by 'their actions not mine,
They could have exercised restraint, looked about to verify, proceeded in an orderly manner,
Persuasion has a science to it, expected results,
Cause and expected effect.
The one's ordering the soldiers were also executed,
Though I am unsure on ratios, percentages, statistics.
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'Is unfortunate, that Allies did not hold selves to equal standards, would have strengthened position.
Government officials 'are responsible, factually speaking,
In terms of 'law, I do have a bit of trouble deciding, ambiguous.
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"You weren't. I was. I will admit publicly that I was the person who sounded the alarm bells to the mod team, which is the biggest reason for my apology to Shila." - Mharman #52
Is this not responsibility,
To state one's cause and effect?
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Iraq situation was complicated, but I'd say the politicians bear responsibility in it,
Maybe didn't get held accountable by 'law,
But responsibility, at least two meanings.
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'Should Julius Streicher - Wikipedia have been executed?
I am unsure,
Responsibility, rights, hazy subject for me, still thinking on.
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If I were to spread a false and dirty rumor about someone,
It seems to me I'd have some responsibility in people 'acting on said rumor?
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I have not seen The Fisher King,
Ooh, Robin WIlliams,
"Jack Lucas, a narcissistic, misanthropic shock jock, becomes suicidal and despondent when his insensitive on-air comments inadvertently prompt a mentally unstable caller to commit a mass murder–suicide at a Manhattan restaurant. Three years later, Jack is working for his girlfriend Anne in a video store, and is in a mostly drunken, depressed state."
I see it brings up something I was considering while we were talking,
Intent.
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Intent doesn't always 'matter though?
A person who drinks doesn't 'intend to kill,
Group of schoolkids might not 'intend kid to suicide,
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Might be you have a different point though?
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