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@Umbrellacorp
Well, since you dont know what inflation is, this was easy win for me. Didnt even need to use AI.
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@Umbrellacorp
You should probably work on educating yourself.
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@Umbrellacorp
Investing only in gold is not diverse
And I clearly said that I dont invest only in gold. Really, you gotta work on those reading skills.
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@Umbrellacorp
What was incorrect about that?
Oh, plenty of things:
1. The assumption that you know where I live, and the fact that you dont, makes your claim unproved.
2. Confusing general inflation for local inflation, a common mistake of many trash economists.
3. Confusing inflation of general products with inflation of specific products, another mistake of trash economists. Generally, if inflation of gold price is higher than inflation of products price you buy, investing in gold enables you to buy more products you want later.
4. The assumption that investing all money you have in farm buisness is a smart thing to do in a shithole country (investing some is good, I already do that, investing all is a shitty advice which then means if buisness fails, you bankrupt). Even in rich countries, people generally dont invest all money they have in buisness, but doing so in a shithole country is even worse, with higher failure rate, and even the fact that if you make buisness big enough, you have to pay taxes, which then defeats you further.
5. Not understanding the obvious advantage of diversity of investments
Now, these are just some mistakes. There were many more, but I am not exactly paid to teach.
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@Umbrellacorp
You however, did not invest 20 years ago
History tells the future.
Your country (which i am not gonna disclose) has had an annual inflation rate of about 12% on average for the last 20 years
Incorrect again. If you want to keep making incorrect claims, I wont stop you, but dont expect me to go around correcting you. You clearly dont seek education.
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@Umbrellacorp
Just buy gold securities (or actuall gold) and hold.
Most people are too stupid to invest in gold, and instead save money which then gets destroyed by inflation.
That is not called a business. Unless you have a shitload of working capital, you aren't gonna make good money. Gold's ROI is usually just enough to beat inflation and not enough to make big profits.
This is incorrect. The price of gold increased over 5 times over past 20 years. The only other option is to invest in buisness, which is high risk in shithole countries, invest in land (I already own land), or save money which is horrible because then inflation destroys it. So yeah, gold is a safe long term investment, just as land is, and returns are generally decent over long term because it does beat inflation in long run, which you would know if you simply asked google.
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@WyIted
I debated it on child's consent and it conceded. Depending on how you say it, it will concede. Maybe dont say inferior, but say similar thing which isnt blatant racism, like gypsies have less success in life, and then debate that cause could be genetic.
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@zedvictor4
Surely it takes 12 hrs per day to single handedly run a tree farm. a chicken farm and a gold investment business
Not really. Gold investment is just buying gold. Its not a daily job. You buy it once and after it gains enough value and you need the money, you sell it gradually. Anyone who has decent IQ can do it. My tree farm isnt that big, and chicken farm is small too. The only hard work is around berries which take too long time to be picked, but thats like once a year work.
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@Ultracrepidarian
My main problem with AI is that it doesnt know what premises and conclusion is. It will just list 2 random claims as two premises, unless I specifically tell it to make deductive argument with premises and conclusion.
Also, it seems incapable of understanding what truism argument is.
Even with deductive argument, it makes premises which are unproved or just false.
I have to take AI step by step so that it makes "A or not A" truism argument, otherwise it just doesnt know. So in this area, AI is still very bad. Maybe its because most internet is filled with trash arguments and AI just picks those.
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@zedvictor4
The ownership in this case is clearly defined as opposite of "the decisions affecting child must be in the interest of child's wants, either as current or future self."
But again, you have to understand the argument to attack it.
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@cristo71
I guess you have no response to post 19. Maybe go ask AI to explain it to you.
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@cristo71
If you want to run away from debate, fine. Its your style.
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@cristo71
If you dont want to debate, fine. I dont think you even understood the given argument.
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@cristo71
You dont get it, thats okay.
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@cristo71
To put it more simply, there is no person who can morally always impose decisions on child. And the reason why "sometimes can impose" doesnt work either is because the requirement for someone to be able to decide what "sometimes" is already assumes that person can always impose decisions, which is morally not allowed.
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@cristo71
parents have custody of their children
Irrelevant to my argument. You either can impose your decision on children or you cant. There is no 3rd option, and "sometimes can" was already defeated argument.
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@cristo71
Again, thats just strawman. Government doesnt own kids, and parents dont own kids, so likewise, the two cannot have shared ownership either.
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@cristo71
“have custody of”
If you dont want to attack an argument, that is fine.
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@cristo71
The ownership is considered as having ability to decide about something. Shared ownership was already a defeated argument, as well as partial ownership.
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@IlDiavolo
Am I wrong?
Well, I am not going to deny it, but anyway, I think its irrelevant because even if I didnt go to prison, my country would still be shithole with 400$ wage per month. Most people in my country are poor compared to other countries.
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I find it too easy to beat AI in almost any debate. It always ends up agreeing with me or just making blatant contradictions which I then use to disprove it.
AI seems really bad at defending its arguments, and this is mainly because it picks arguments and facts from internet search, and most of those are bad and easy to disprove in relation to topic.
Also, AI seems to be incapable of not making generalizations. I dont know why this is, but it never gives precise argument with proper premises, unless you ask it to every time.
It will just write wall of copy pasted text, which is usually easily disproved with few sentences.
Now, maybe these free models are inferior, but I hope they actually make free model which is good at debating. There are hundreds of AI, but most are similar because they copy paste same content.
Now, I tried debating Grok 3, easy to defeat. ChatGPT is even easier, sometimes it doesnt even understand the argument until I explain it further. ChatGPT is much more censored too.
Deepseek is generally trash AI, it censors so many topics and it spies on you, not worth even having.
Perplexity is more like search engine than AI.
Liberty AI is like Grok 3, except that its not completely free. You eventually run out of starting credits.
Gemini is good for research, but its debating abilities are trash.
The only way AI can be made into a good debater is if you specifically instruct it on how to make arguments. It literally doesnt know what argument is otherwise.
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@sadolite
Or you can just google how much is minimum wage in 3rd world countries.
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@sadolite
I think you are a bull shitter troll. Just my opinion.
Well, go to some 3rd world country and try working there for few months.
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Does homophobia really exist?
Yes. My parents feared I will become gay.
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@adaptable
This and other posts he has made elsewhere are harassment of me and degrading in a sexual manner.
Oh, alright, I guess even a person like you maybe deserves protection from abuse, so tell me how long I must ban myself for post 50.
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@Umbrellacorp
I am sure your country is filled with prejudice for people like you
No, shithole countries are usually very smart and tolerant 😉
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@IlDiavolo
Your parents have money, seemingly. Borrow some from them.
My parents have low IQ. My IQ is 140. They probably have IQ of 70 to 80. My dad never gave me any money, never even saw him, and my other parent is equally dumb and doesnt even know what investment is. The only option for me is to borrow from bank and then use the same money I borrowed to gradually pay back, but this only makes sense if other part of money is invested in something which pays off more than what I have to pay back. Now, my country has high interest rates too, and anyone who borrows from bank right now is likely an idiot.
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@IlDiavolo
Do you sell your body at traffic lights?
That only works if you are a girl, which I am not.
Do you sell your blood to some charities?
I generally dislike blood donations because I need my blood for magic. Blood is a precious magical source and its stupid to waste it by donating it.
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@IlDiavolo
If I were you I'd start a business
I have 3 buisnesses. One is investment in gold. The other is tree farm. The third is chicken farm. I dont know what more buisnesses to start. I was going to invest in bitcoin farming, but thats so difficult when your country is 3rd world shithole and even google play store doesnt accept currency of your country.
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@Mall
No, you mentioned at start that I wont be talking using voice, but they all seem to ignore comments. They are much more interested in people who talk.
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@Mall
Alright, but they only read 1 claim from the argument. They said I need to get a mic. I do have mic on my phone and laptop, I just cant talk due to my speech disorder, so thats not an option.
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@Mall
Yes it'll be posted shortly. You can go back, replay it and everyone can hear.
Can you make it so it shows my comments? Because only like 1 claim from my comments was mentioned.
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@Mall
I would prefer to debate you, not some random people on modern day.
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@Mall
Here is my version of what happened. I didnt remember everything they said because like 5 people talked at same time at one point.
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So I was on modern day debate, and generally, people seem to be either ignoring comments either unable to respond to my argument.
So argument is made out of two parts.
Premise 1:
Parents dont own their children.
This claim is true, because opposite claim is absurd. We cannot say that parents always own their children, since that would allow unspeakable crimes. We also cannot say that parents sometimes own their children, because who gets to decide what sometimes is? Government doesnt own children either, neither does society. So there is no one who can decide this.
Premise 2.
If parents dont own their children, then the decisions affecting child must be in the interest of child's wants, either as current or future self.
Opposite of this premise is impossible, as if no one owns children, the only thing thats left is that child owns himself, either as current self or future adult.
Now, social transitioning accomplishes both current wants and future wants, as over 99% of trans adults agree with social transition as children.
The only response I got from modern day debate is that children cant be allowed to make decisions, because children are dumb and cant be allowed to smoke and do other stuff.
However, this was just a bad strawman of my argument.
First, social transition is not nearly as harmful as smoking, so the mere comparison is illogical.
Second, smoking is generally regretted. Social transitioning as child is not regretted. In fact, it is regretted to not allow social transition as child.
So the argument is very much unchallenged.
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@Mall
We can debate 1 on 1 live if you want, but as I said, it will be difficult with me just in comments. People can generally talk faster than I can type. But again, I dont think the argument I gave can be defeated. I havent seen anyone even touch it.
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If I could talk live, it would be different. But I cant, and they dont pay much attention to comments.
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@Mall
They just conceded to my argument that parents dont own children, didnt respond to argument about child's interest as current self or future self, and then attacked a strawman which was even irrelevant to social transitioning. Then they started talking about some gay stories. I dont know what that was, but wasnt much of a debate.
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@sadolite
Life will smack you in the ass one day
Its better to be homeless and starve than to work for 12 hours a day for nothing until you die. But I have home and savings, so I wont starve.
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@Mall
Alright, was fun. Not much response in comments tho. Also, way too many people in voice chat lol
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@Mall
I would prefer to debate if trans children should be allowed to transition socially, but I guess that topic is... fun?
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@Mall
Ok, just tell me in which channel there you will be.
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@Lemming
If one can manage enough for rent somewhere and the bare necessities,I think life could be fairly enjoyable working as little as possible
Its not that I hate working, I just wouldnt work 12 hours a day for 400$ a month. People who agree to that are the main reason why wages are so low in the first place.
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@zedvictor4
Surely $400 is better than nothing
No.
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@sadolite
So how much do you earn not working at all?
Not much.
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