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Welcome to my game "The Ultimate Fighter Villains"!
This was a show up I grew up watching, being a huge UFC fan since I was 16. Dana White (the CEO of UFC) created this show as a competition for up and comers to prove their worth in a bracket style MMA competition. The winner of the competition earns a 6 figure UFC contract, and the coaches of both teams fight at the end of the show. The show was popularized during the surge of reality TV shows. All events that happen are real on the show, and with a bunch of testerone filled MMA fighters, the show runners knew there was bound to be drama. We are now 29 seasons into the show.
This theme was the basis of my DDO username, and it's long overdue for me to do a theme related to this. That said I do like to make my games friendly to people who aren't familiar with my themes. The theme split in this game will not be complicated. Mafia will be given no fake claims either. I want to start my games in a direction that encourages some theme research, and with non complex theme splits I think it isn't too damaging.
By villains, I mean "people who were controversial or deemed to be bullies in the competition".
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@Vader
I don't know what you want me to do about something being contrived? I can't just swear up a storm. Ahh scummy as fuck go fuck yourself fuck that. This is how I play the game and have been playing yet you never pointed this outMy read on badger was because of his derealing of posts to steer off topic, hesistation to claim, and jumping back and forth on who to lynch, all of which he did.
What does swearing have to do with making up reads?
I didn't check how much time we had left, but rushing to lynches is stupid and I think is a bad idea and that's what I said. You can read multiple games where I said the same thing as town. Stop acting like I was derailing the train when I hopped on it lol
I didn't say you were derailing it, I think you were hoping the votes would waffle out after your scum buddy got on and claimed literally anything for you to use an excuse to pull votes off him.
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@Vader
I'd sus Lunatic for his pretty stupid logic but he did lead a lynch versus badger.
Ironic because you didn't answer any questiosn I had abotu your logic in voting badger last phase.
I would like some clarification on this read please. First off, what is scummy about responding to a "Wide variety of people" or why specifically was it scummy for him to do that?
What ideas was he throwing around "willy nilly" to "derail" the thread?
When was he making long ravings or ramblings?
To be frank badger was scummy AF. But none of the reasons you listed for scum reading him make any sense at all to me. If I were to give you the benefit of the doubt here as town, you didn't read anything really in the day phase that wasn't addressed to you specifically and boarded a bandwagon. Which is fine and well if you admit it, which you didn't.
But this pings me more as scummy because at this point badger looks like a lost cause. You explicitly telling people not to hammer looks like a last ditch effort to delay the game til he wakes up and is able to claim so you can use that as an excuse to waffle your vote or unvote entirely. Because none of the "reasons" you listed for scum reading badger sound anything like how his behavior actually was last day phase.
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@oromagi
- TUF says STRENGTHENER matches something in his claim
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@oromagi
Chris and WF have definitely been hanging back a bit and waited a long time to claim battles, but they are also 2 and 3 on badger's train, which I can't see scum doing.
Mafia have a free fake claim that wasn't used, I don't see why they'd have an incentive to hide their battles.
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@oromagi
Mine doesn't say because of this but there an effort to connect battle to role- it is kind of stretch but connecting battle descriptions to roles seems like it would be hard to do.
Sort of my impression as well
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Anyone else not have a justification? Or just me? My justification I mean "because of all this you are _____" or something along those lines
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@oromagi
He specifically stated that he held back because he only had X2 and didn't know who to strengthen. He also felt like his role was wasted now that roleblocker was out of the game.
He wouldn't have known there was a role blocker until today if he as town though...
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@MisterChris
I'm waiting though to hear what his justification is.
Did you get a justification for your role?
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@Earth
@Greyparrot
@Wylted
@MisterChris
@drlebronski
thoughts and stuff?
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@Vader
2x Strengthener. If I target someone in the night, there action goes through no matter what (unless they are killed). Said person is immune to all blocks, redirects, etc.
Did you use the role last night, if so who did you use it on and why?
No harm in letting us know since you've claimed. Kind of odd you didn't say tbh, especially since you already admitted your role was useless due to a dead roleblocker...
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@whiteflame
The only real benefit I see is in knowing whether he was the target of a night action. It’s not a lot of information, and I think it’s more likely that he visited someone, in which case the info is relatively worthless, but I think it’s worth getting the basics. I do also think that just revealing that he either was visited or visited someone already reveals to scum whether he has a power role or not, since they’re most likely to have visited him in the night.
Everything you said highlights the negatives in such a way I fail to see the positive of the bolder part.
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@oromagi
Oh hold up I didn't realize supa is claiming strengthener.
My role doesn't have an actual specified link between my role but I am assuming it is inferred by my battle, but I didn't quite catch or understand what that was. A history nerd like oro or pie probably would know. But Oromagi I am curious do you see any role link between strengthener and supas character?
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@Greyparrot
how likely do you think Earth is town?
hes in my town pile rn based on badgers scum pile
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@badger
just out of curiosity were you the same badger that played in that mafia championship game with me on mafia universe?
Oops meant to ask this in the sign ups not dp1 thread
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@whiteflame
I’m fine getting that. MC, care to shed some light on this?
Wait he convinced you with that? That is surprising lol.
It is general consensus on mafia universe that the metal detector is kind of a useless role for the reasons I mentioned above.
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@Polyglot
Chris could have also been visited by someone. If he’s town confirmed then maybe mafia tried to kill him and he was blocked. We can first see if Chris visited someone. If not we would know that someone visited him.
1. we killed the mafia roleblocker so chris wasn't blocked.
2. If chris tells us he visited someone it just tells the mafia he's got a power role.
3. Town could have visited him also, not just mafia.
4. He is likely town based on interactions last dp with badger so getting information about him is pretty pointless and only benefits mafia.
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Just throwing it out there but if this is a pie game theres a high likelihood of either 3 mafia, or 2 mafia and a tp in an 11 player game.
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@Polyglot
So I think we should push for Chris and see if he visited anyone last night.
Nah im good.
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@badger
just out of curiosity were you the same badger that played in that mafia championship game with me on mafia universe?
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yeah polyglot is utterly clueless and unaware of his surroundings. let's move on
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@whiteflame
Thoughts? Are you still waiting on poly? TBH feels like kind of a waste of time and the day phase at this point.
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I should add I would feel much better about wylted if he and badger weren't so wishy washy with each other all day phase 1
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After re-reading the day phase:
The Town Pile
DrLebron- Towny as fuck- Nooby as Fuck. scum lebron doesn't say this: "this is hard im kinda getting sus of badger but it very well could be lunatic". And he isn't experienced enough to bus badger as hard as he was the next few pages either.
Chris- Town by associations- To much T v M interactions with badger last day phase, in the early part where badger's read wasn't taken as seriously. This looks really good for him. Also badger's response to him in 318, and 319 where he calmly explains a joke then immediately acts incredulous that the joke wasn't understood is more big poins for chris, and was kind of the nail in the coffin for me regarding badger.
Earth- Town by associations- He was an early and late ditch effort for a lynch attempt by badger, none of this felt bussy.
Poly- Town, lean null- One of the few nulls I have at this point based on activity and limited interactions. Badger called him "sus AF" earlier on before the pressure on him really started picking up so that looks good for him. He was mentioned in badgers scum pool again a few times throughout the phase. He hasn't done enough for me to full clear him but he's been referred to enough by badger's scum list of potential mislynches that I am not immediately worried about him.
Whiteflame- Strong Town- First independent read on badger that kind of made sense in post 280. Also that post invoked a lot of behavioral tells from badger that made him look worse towards the end (continously saying he would log off yet he kept posting). The defending my behavior (he was spot on btw about my passivitity in the last game as scum, I even told pie straight up I was trying to play more passively because in the last few games I was scum I was more aggressive, but I played the part a little too strongly).
Greyparrot- Easy town pile for now- Greyparrot first to claim, proved his role, pretty straightforward. We can revisit this later if neccesary, the worst thing you can really say about his role is that it doesn't seem to have much town utility, but mods use roles like that frequently so I am not going there yet unless my scum reads pan out.
Wylted- Either extremely town or extremely scum- TBH I am leaning more on the town camp with him. The hammer was definitely helpful to town, I feel like if badger got on and claimed the next morning town would have found a way to wimp out of the lynch. But the question is whether wylted did it because he knew it would look good for him or not. My gut tells me no, that this is simpler than that and that big brained type of chess move wasn't made (not that he isn't capable of it). I am leaning more town because of his early vote switch onto wylted when he over reacted to my pressure on him for the win con thing. That and supa pushing that dumbass win statement thing again last minute looked like another attempt at deflection to who it seemed they both thought was the best mislynch option at the time.
The remaining
Oromagi- slight scum- General lack of pursuit of badger until it seemed he was theonly option; He was online and aware of the scummy vote switch when it happened but didn't bring it up til much later. I am hoping he is town here, his character analysis may prove useful here. I particularly am not interested in researching any claims to see if they make sense with characters or trying to decide a theme split. though at this point it probably doesnt even matter since badger never used the fake claim so the remaining scum member(s) still probably have it.
Supadudz- Strong scum- People mentioned how contrived his reads sounded early on, which I did kind of agree with but took it with a grain of salt since it was early and all early reads are contrived, mine included. However that ate game read on badger was EXTREMELY contrived and actually makes little sense. It seems like he hadn't read a single thing that occured in the day phase yet is acting as if he had. That combined with telling town not to hammer until a claim happened seemed like he was wanting to wait for badger to get back on and come out with some game saving claim that he could use it an an excuse to derail the lynch into a no lynch. Also he was defending badger pretty early but otherwise offered no leads for his own thoughts into who we would pursue. I get he was probably busy or whatever but the time he did put into the game did not feel like an investigative townie trying to piece things together to hunt for scum. I really wouldn't be surprised if the game is as simple as a badger/supa scum team here. He was barely mentioned by badger in the day phase, even when badger was intent on making it a point that whiteflame should be active though supa was nearly just as inactive. These two have the most scum equity.
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@Vader
How does Wylted not have a town wincon?
Also elaborate on this please. Lol I know where you are getting it from, but I called badger out on the same thing. Potentially the dumbest wagon I ever seen and it's what started me FOS'ing badger in the first place.
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@Vader
I wasn’t defensive when I responded to oromagi. I pointed out a mistake he made in the post and I have simply responded to what you said
I am talking about your response to me. You said "I was progressively scum reading him unlike you, which gut read him" This was kind of a snappy remark considering I led the lynch on the guy. Alsoit dismisses literally eveyr behavioral read I put into him after the initial read, which I told you at the time was only supplemental to his reaction.
Then at the end of the phase you said "Lunatic is more likely town than scum looking at it behaviorally, but do note that Lunatic is also being more "engaged" with longer paragraphs does not write him off as town".
So here you are admitting that the read was behavioral and a significant amount of effort was put in to the badger read, yet the second I ask you a question about something relating to your read on badger you got all snappy. Why is that?
1. Badger is going back and forth with a wide variety of people he is willing to lynch to do the same. He seems to throw these ideas willy nilly and also seems to "derail" the thread by disinteresting town with long ravings and ramblings to distract inactive town players from winning the game. I am willing to put pressure on him right now
I would like some clarification on this read plase. First off, what is scummy about responding to a "Wide variety of people" or why specifically was it scummy for him to do that?
What ideas was he throwing around "willy nilly" to "derail" the thread?
When was he making long ravings or ramblings?
To be frank badger was scummy AF. But none of the reasons you listed for scum reading him make any sense at all to me. If I were to give you the benefit of the doubt here as town, you didn't read anything really in the day phase that wasn't addressed to you specifically and boarded a bandwagon. Which is fine and well if you admit it, which you didn't.
But this pings me more as scummy because at this point badger looks like a lost cause. You explicitly telling people not to hammer looks like a last ditch effort to delay the game til he wakes up and is able to claim so you can use that as an excuse to waffle your vote or unvote entirely. Because none of the "reasons" you listed for scum reading badger sound anything like how his behavior actually was last day phase.
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"I'm not gonna claim tbh. If I die, I die. I will say that if I make it through this DP, I'm going to be on oro this NP. The relevance of that would become clear with my potential flip. "
This qoute from badger near the end of the phase is interesting... last minute seperation attempt? Or genuine M v T here? Like I feel like badger's scum play was so nooby in the day phase that I want to dis-credit any big brain moves, but at the same time that is pretty naive.
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@Vader
I was catching up the DP after there were multiple post over time. That's a reason I voted him as well because of it. I wanted a claim from him and I voted him because of it. I've said that rushing a lynch isn't good and we should take our time and make an analysis. Since he never claimed, he got lynched. Simple. I was progressively scum reading him unlike you, which gut read him
Do you really think my entire read on him was gut read? Also why so defensive?
I am just asking what type of claim would have prevented you from lynching him. You ignored my question. :)
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Oro's post 15 is a good reference point, I actually re-read the day phase last night looking for things to pick up on as well, I probably owe it a third read through. But my thinking is the first half of that day phase is the most important to look at. That's the part where people are still debating whether I am just being a tunnel monster, badger's lynch is definitely not a for sure thing and my arguments can be easily dismissed. While truth is my starting pressure was more reactionary (I still think there is something to the mod psyche argument), it was very interesting to see how fast supa was to dismiss everything.
Wylted defending badger is interesting too, but his saving grace was being quick voted along with oro earlier on. Oro kind of stands out to be more not really taking a stance on anything until badger had a lot of votes and the day phase was ending. When he finally did call him out it was well after the only viable lynch option still seemed to be badger, and he called him out for a the vote switching thing which we was more than likely online for at the time considering it happened right after he had voted for chris. He didn't feel a need to mention any suspicion towards it then.
Whiteflames conclusion to everything felt more natural and townie. Poly was your regular inactive noob. similar story with drlebronski and earth.
Misterchris, greyparrot, and wylted are in my town pile. I'll have to give some thought into a potential bussing situation with wylted because there are a few things that strike me as wierd but I don't want to over complicate something that could be pretty simple here.
My two biggest FOS'es are supa and oromagi.
VTL supa
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@Vader
That wasn't a defense of badger after the FoS of badger, it was of lebronski and it wasn't a defense, it was saying that what Wylted said is true but it isn't a scum slip
Your last post was asking that we wait to lynch badger for his claim. Why did you want to wait for his claim when he originally said he was going to claim soon and then later retracted that?
What level of claim would it have had to have been to sell you that he was town?
TBH that whole post read like you were looking or waiting for him to give any excuse so you could just ignore all his behavior and not lynch him.
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Haha this game is off to a fantastic start xD
I'm still half asleep, going back to bed. I'll come in with some thoughts and analysis in a few hour.
I'd say greyparrots role is confirmed though.
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Haha this game is off to a fantastic start xD
I'm still half asleep, going back to bed. I'll come in with some thoughts and analysis in a few hour.
I'd say greyparrots role is confirmed though.
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Do I need to write an extensive case on Badger to secure the last two votes? If it's necessary I will try to do so when I get home from dinner with my lady.
I have even more I can add to it based on the last two pages in regards to his behaviors and reactions to pressure.
More back pedaling on claiming, quick switching between being humble about chris not understanding his "joke" about being drunk to immediately contradicting the humility by acting incredulous about him not understanding the joke, etc
Over all he is just not dealing with "pressure" the way a townie would be expected to. Being defensive as town is one thing, but he is literally basing the way he votes on the pressure he is getting. There is no logical reason town would do that yet he admitted to it.
I find it funny he says:
Sorry if I was a bit short with you too TUF honestly. You have been absolutely relentless though.
This is nothing compared to how hard I usually go on someone if I scum read them. And I honestly was looking for a reason to town read him but everytine he answered anything I asked him the reaction felt less than authentic.
Idk I feel we have more than enough to justify a lynch here but I can elaborate these reads into a point by point case if needed to convince the last two lads here.
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@badger
I think you should elaborate definitely.
When you say "I would or wouldnt do this as scum" its called WIFOM or Wine in front of me, which is a phrase from princess bride. Tl;DR if you are mafia you have incentive to lie about your motives thus I should take arguments like that with a grain of salt.
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@badger
If I was mafia, and as first to claim, I'd have a fake claim. That I don't want to claim should tell you something.
Do I need to point out the blatant wifom here?
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Why is everyone unvoting Badger? He still has time to fake claim with votes on him
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@badger
Because I had to deal with your pressure, obviously. You can't play the game oblivious to pressure on you. Not getting lynched as town plays into town wincon.
Okay. Well my vote has been on you since pretty early in the day. And I think this is all the answer I really need. If you were town with nothing to hide I don't think you would feel the need to try and create a mislynch elsewhere, you would calmly try and dismantle the pressure and play normally. That you are changing your pacing and behavior in response to pressure is mafia indicative to me. You don't have to respond to this obviously, but atm I am feeling fairly decent with keeping my vote on you and encourage others to vote you as well.
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@badger
Voted which? Wylted?Because he wasn't in my townreads and he makes no sense ever, forums or here. The man was born lying.
And the best time to act on that was immediately after oro voted him? Why not earlier lol
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@oromagi
There is no tomorrow evening. DP1 ends at lunch on Monday. In other words, lynch tonight or no lynch.
That is unfortunate. I will do my best to participate, but I have a raid planned in conan exiles, a video game I play frequently and don't want to bail on it. But if raid is slow I'll do my best.
But I do feel pretty good about lynching badger atm.
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@badger
I want information. Although honestly I feel like Wylted towntold with the wrong wiki. That doesn't look a researched fake claim, instead a real claim searched out.As to the rest, I've explained myself as best I can tbh. Reread my posts. If you've still got some issue with me, come to me with it. I just don't want all of my posts this DP to be about this.
There's only been one post related to your vote switching, I think your okay to defend your actions a bit. But none of the above explains why you voted him in the first place
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My posting will probably slow through the rest of the evening, just a heads up. I'll be on tomorrow evening to help decide a lynch and hopefully get a good read on some of the inactives.
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