Lunatic

So speed has to be lying based on your role?

Based on TUF's claim I'm more inclined to lynch him.  Passive protective role seems to throw off balance more than a hider would.  But Hider would be a good claim.  So Speed isn't out of the hot water.  

Lunatic, are you told which player you protect or which character? 

Confirmed as town or as scum? Is the passive protection that you offer changed each NP?

Let's talk about the game a bit before you go. What're your reads atm? 

Explain the basis for your FOS on me.  

At that point might as well just role claim. Do you agree the lynch should be among you 3 today? 

You Can role claim after Coal, but you’re going to have to role claim. No way out of it.

Not sure what I missed. I'm on the same lynch wagon as you, and I found that RM's choice to claim cop to CC FT was similarly problematic.

I get that you're saying it was a gambit. But it was a gambit to get Earth lynched with a fake result, and I'm not seeing the utility in RM shutting up about it. 

What did you expect him to do? Claim COP several DPs later and be lynched? Go along with a lynch over a result he knew likely to be bullshit? You're not making logical sense here.

Look, proving someone's role doesn't tell us anything about alignments. It's a complete waste of time. A benefit for the scum.

huh???? Not at all a benefit for SCUM. 

If I can be confirmed, it's worth doing so instantly or people will be asking why I didn't so later on. Being confirmed is pro-town, period

Where has Earth scumslipped?

While I respect that what you are doing right now is scumhunting (directed at me), it's also towntelling (on your part).

Of course I want to give him a free pass for it if he's town? Shit town should be hardcarried by brilliant town, not punished in a suicidal manner.

I am the cop claim. I am indirectly CC'd at this point and no cop will confirm me. Even if they did, why would I want to scumtell for a cop to waste an investigation on me if I wasn't cop (I am, I'm working with your hypothetical to how a town vanilla or doc or something thinks).

I always observe how my actions will be perceived in mafia, not saying I'm innately talented at it, it takes a lot of refinement but to not pay attention at all because 'hurrr durr I'm town if you lynch me I will flip town and if you investigate me I will appear town so I can be as scummy as I want' is a caveman mentality that fucks towns over.

SOP is to claim miller within your first couple of posts. It would have been suspicious even if he had claimed it after pressure or close to dp1 end. 

He knows and doesn't care, it would seem. To be fair, 'couple' is 2 and it was literally the guy's second post all game.

He would only truly need to out (in his opinion) before N1 if at all (he has a laidback approach to it) and was indeed intending to out regardless.

Why? Also how would you know his intentions?

To answer both at once, it's clear from his explanations (he explained it before not just now to you) that he had in mind a plan to out as miller later into D1, that is his presented justification. I am letting you know what precisely he's saying as it's clear you misunderstood it at first and assumed he was trying to 'hold onto the claim' as long as possible in his stated reasoning.

Which is precisely why it is SOP to claim miller ASAP. 

To this, I do not argue whatsoever. He should have outed on his first post. He chose not to. This was an error that costs town a significant PR move if the PR is real (I do think it's real because of theme reasons and I'm beginning to understand the theme if all three of us are town, but don't want to state to help Mafia fakeclaim). I did a bit of research on the Anime to get the gist of characters. I must emphasise 'bit of' I do not know enough and what the 'guild' is or isn't still perplexes me.

Town doesn't need to worry how they appear if they are actually town.

Of course they do, towntelling is a necessary skill regardless of alignment.

Scum coal is the coal that seemingly isn't scum hunting and is tunnel vision on one prospect or another.

Had I not stepped in (yes, I take credit for this) and also had FT not began his machine-gun-pressure scheme starting with Pie and Oromagi but focusing more on Pie, the game would have begun centred around Coal tunneling Oromagi (he really did try to keep it that way).

This is the coal that will town read you for agreeing with him

Who has agreed with Coal this game that he's not townread and been buddy-buddy with? The millisecond Oromagi made clear he didn't list Coal as a scumread, suddenly Coal laid off, passively requesting reads from him. FT was laid out the red carpet for by him until the claim as cop (and even then he maintained an ironclad townread on FT).

and scum read you for opposing him.

Fascinating. Who has opposed him this game? Me. Who did he suddenly feel the need to lynch Earth for buddying? Me. 

He gets very defensive as scum and tries to makes big analogous posts to drown you out in hopes people will dismiss your argument against him. 

He doesn't need to do that, in his mind it's simpler to go 'haha that chitty chatty RM, someone shut him up' and hope his lockerroom banter style will get enough 'hehe we got ya back bud' from players like whiteflame and yourself. Guess it works.

Idc if this is buddying but I will word what he wrote in clearer sequencing:

He assumed the earliest he could be investigated was N1

He would only truly need to out (in his opinion) before N1 if at all (he has a laidback approach to it) and was indeed intending to out regardless.

The day cop threw his timing completely.

literally what am I to do when guilty'd as miller?

Scum coal is the coal that seemingly isn't scum hunting and is tunnel vision on one prospect or another. This is the coal that will town read you for agreeing with him and scum read you for opposing him. He gets very defensive as scum and tries to makes big analogous posts to drown you out in hopes people will dismiss your argument against him. 

I love this, genuinely. Now, seriously no sarcasm intended, reread this game only with Coal's interactions in your mind's focus.

You just narrated his gameplay this game.

He never defended me this entire game, he sarcastically mocked and berated me until finally going 'wanna lynch RM' to whiteflame and almost making it happen.

I already said that I was going to claim miller early on. I clearly didn't expect a daycop. I was somewhat busy when FT's cop'd me, so I came back to getting a guilty.

That has completely and utterly changed post-cop-cc-fiasco

The claiming must be orderly, one by one though. There's a reasoning behind the order, Whiteflame must be forced to out at exactly position 5-6, it is the most difficult position to conveniently fakeclaim in, we have 3 outs so far. I want Coal to be out #4. I have town vibes from Pie while you don't because you have a concept of him that isn't true.

Pie is arrogant regardless of alignment but it is indeed true that there's a rage in him as town that so far hasn't properly come out to play, we will see. Anger-aside he's played his town meta completely this game, totally aiming for 'duh' votes.

The longer we leave steamrolling with bandwagons to blackmail outs, the longer Mafia has to construct efficient fakeclaims as well as emotionally prepare for the L-1 situation emotionally.

This is stupid for town to sit back and allow. We have right now outed 2 huge PRs and a miller, in worst case scenario (and I think it is).

What is fishy for me isn't fishy for someone else. Earth is lazy as fuck each and every game I've ever seen him play, he does this 'idgaf' vibe act regardless of alignment. It's 100% nullreadable and I have a huge, huge scumread on Coal he has responded to game pressure in ways town never should in all scenarios.

Aside from your totally unnecessary bringing of Down's Syndrome into a game comment, I was not stupid to CC cop, I'd be an absolute idiot to not CC there and later claim, it looks fake af.

lynching Earth doesn't gain us any information.

It gains us his role and character, which doesn't gain us anything unless others have claimed and we have a lot of ways to play the night phase out. At the moment one of the cops is dying and nothing positive will happen if Earth really is miller, which is what I read at the moment.

iLikePie5 (I'd say more for his reaction to FT pressure than post 17 that FT was initially suspicious of. Pie trying to discredit FT or dismiss him as if he doesn't fear the pressure doesn't seem genuine).

He didn’t give any concrete reasons besides Pie’s scum based on Post this and that. Literally not the way it works here.

Y’all probably played with FT on DDO back in the day. Anything unusual about his play so far from what y’all can remember?

Lol no. People need to lose some more games so they can figure how to play.