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@MisterChris
Should Lunatic flip town this helps us too: We know SCUM were probably already on the VOTE before you hammered since they didn't hammer, and we can narrow things down. I wouldn't sus you because you've been so reluctant to hammer whereas SCUM would be all over this in your shoes.But I honestly think Lunatic is scum here.
Your reasons for accusing me of scum are 100% worse than me wanting to lynch oro who if town doesn't care about or want to solve the game. If you lynch me here, I am taking a solid break from mafia because There is literally no reason I am being lynched. You can't even refute my argument about how oro is trying to solve the game by ending the game on page 3.
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Someone unvote me. I will full claim and prove my role at dp2 start if needed. I could use it now but it would be a waste with one hour left.
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@MisterChris
'm disliking Lunatic's tunnel on Oro, and I'm wondering about a WF - Lunatic scum team. He's making a big jump based on so little, and while I of course agree that TOWN should want a lynch this DP, Lunatic fully ignores that SCUM want a mislynch and certainly wouldn't throw the towel for the DP yet. At worst, this makes Oro's case a FoS, not a lynch. His insistence upon it strikes me as a SCUM player who wants to double whammy: get the mislynch, and get the mislynch by lynching the person who wanted to VTNL.Since no one is helping me pressure WF,UNVOTEVTL Lunatic.I await Lunatic's inevitable WIFOM in response.
Funny how you think I am opting for a mislynch when I am the ONLY one on oro. Your literally being a hypocrite lol
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@Speedrace
You say this every game and its never true
That town needs to lynch scum in order to win? That is objectively true
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how the hell do I have 4 votes on me? I can confirm my role
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@Greyparrot
Not my fault town chooses not to pressure you.
Maybe make a better case then "vtl luna"
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I have yet to see a convincing reason we shouldn't be lynching oro today.
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@Greyparrot
This town is absolutely retarded.
Thanks for the fantastic contribution.
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@Speedrace
I'm just saying wanting to VTNL =/= scum, that has nothing to do with whether VTNLing is smart or not
Town should have a genuine interest in solving the game; VTNL when there's been little activity, and not answering questions for how you expect the game to be solved demosntrates that you do not want to solve the game. I am led to believe that oro already has all the information about the game he needs, as scum.
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@Speedrace
I don't think Oro is scummy for VTNLing, scum wants lynches
So does town. How do you suggest town win? Praying on results? People keep refusing to answer this.
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@Earth
Eeeh. I can why he'll VTNL. I believe drafter once had a graph that basically proved longer DPs help mafia than it helps town.
1. I debunked his evidence thoroughly (there was a lot of cherry picking involved) also stats don't take in context. He still uses it as an argument all the time though because it suits his narrative
2. Drafter also is adamantly against no lynching. His shorter day phase stuff is him making it shorter by lynching someone.
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@oromagi
I feel like I pretty regularly opine that most of the chatter generated within these games is non-constructive and so anti-TOWN. I generally support VTNL once everybody checks in and early claims have been made so long as nobody seems to particularly merit lynching. Those conditions just kicked in unusually early this game.
Again is your strategy to bank on investigative results? How do you expect to progress the game from a vtnl?
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VTNL'ing after their's been significant dialouge to disect is one thing...
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Anyone wanna help me pressure oro for trying to VTNL when we are only 3 pages into the phase?
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@Earth
Interesting. I'm okay with the assumption that Chris is town aligned but w/e.
I am too. Any other thoughts or direction you wanna pursue?
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@oromagi
I would have argued that all that's left is for TOWN to fall to bickering but then I knew I could leave it to you to illustrate the point.
Assuming bickering isn't readable behavior. Do you expect the game to be solved through investigative reports?
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Unvote vtl oromagi for trying to no lynch this early in the gane
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@MisterChris
The tradeoff is times like this. I think I'd rather have town give up on the meta and let Grey not claim every game immediately (unless he's HATED or MILLER or something) than to keep this up
This is something he would do anyway though whether he was asked or not. Look at like any game hes played in for the last year and a half. Its just how he does. Drafterman had a meme about him back on DDO. "One does not simply get greyparrot to comply" or something like that. Its something yoy just have to take into account when playing with him.
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@MisterChris
If Grey is town I'm fr mad. Town needs to level with him and we need to permit him to change his meta without this "hE DiDn'T CLAiM so He'S ScUm" bs.
Except for the last two times he hasn't claimed instantly he's been scum...
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BTW, I'm ok with testing my role. Let's do it.
vtl misterchris
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@MisterChris
"That does not give him a free pass to claim protective power roles DP1. We should pressure him so we can get an idea of whether this was town Grey being wayyyy dumber than he's ever been or if he is mafia counting on "bUt hE AlWaYs ClAimS" logic. There's another possibility but I want to keep that vague. "
With greyparrot, you get what you get. You don't have to be happy about how he plays; but he will never change. He does what he does and often times without regret. I raged at him for months and even tried reccomending policy lynching him. He usually ends up town when he does this stuff. Grey is the the only one that gets a pass from it because you just can't reason with him.
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@MisterChris
Why you trying to lynch the confirmed doc bruh
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@Vader
Before we even say anything about this and I get scumread. I am legit going out of town Thursday through Friday so do not expect any activity from me. Please note this post and that's all I will say since it became a major issue last game
Your "lack" of activity didn't become a major issue, it was the fact that you kept posting about how inactive you were instead of posting anything that could further help town out. Imagine if you used your time trying to look like you were solving stuff instead of projecting inactivity. You had some of the most posts of the entire game, and 90% of them were about how inactive you were.
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@Vader
@whiteflame
@oromagi
@Speedrace
@Elminster
Why is there no one on the damn list this is shameful
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Current Mafia:
ILikePie5 - United States Senate Mafia DP1
Signups:
In the Hopper:
Lunatic- Stephen King Universe
Danielle
On Hold
Virtuoso, PressF4Respect, RM, BearMan, That1User, Crocodile, SupaDudz, Elminster
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@Vader
You should have lynched oro in day phase 5 bro, I was already on him at the time. Also I 100% would have voted you over earth in lylo. I was very suspicious of his lack of activity because I thought mimes were banking on inactivty to win.
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GG ya'll! First time in a while I didn't mess up in LYLO. Redemption arc!
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@Bullish
Seems both supa and oro are not on currently to help me out here. If I am wrong, I appologize to my fellow townies. But to be fair we got a lot further than I expected. Also I think if oro is mime he actually deserves the win, where as supa hasn't done much in the way to earn it in my opinion by basically only posting about how he can't be on. Makes him hard to read, but there certainly isn't a town read in it as he suggests. I would have rather had town supa use his free time to post meaningful posts than to complain about how much time he wasn't going to have, especially since (as oro pointed out) he has been posting more than most as it is.
So....
Yolo.
VTl oro.
If you were mime, good job for fooling me lol. At least I can say I was right about every other lynch I was a part of and led the lynch on speed and whiteflame from catching their town slips.
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Supa DP4 Post 5: "I don't have any reasoning to see oro as suspicious for the time being so I wouldn't have a problem lynching him"
Immediately back tracks after questioning whether whiteflame was sus of oro and finding out he isn't
Supa DP4 post 12: "Fair enough. I'm not convinced oromagi is town though. I'll have to reread some of his posts to make sure. I don't like the fact he stalled DP1 in putting a vote on Grey, causing Pie to suicide. I think it's between you or Oromagi."
So it seems like he was banking on whiteflame to scum read oro and let his mind be changed, but there is no natural change between the two posts, and only about an hour an a half has passed between the point where he sees no reason to see him as suspicious, and the point where he is all of a sudden willing to lynch him.
Also in supa's DP4 post 5: "but note that I won't be able to put a lynch on at all Sunday."
Supa on sunday (today, 5:15pm my time ): "Won’t be on tonight"
4 hours later on sunday, the day he supposedly can't get on: *posts twice*
I am sure supa actually was busy, but if he was actually town and as uncaring about posting as much as he claims he was, I don't imagine he would post at all. I am thinking pie is probably spamming him in discord the way pie usually does to make sure he can secure the win.
Oro has at least been consistent, and he earns major points for not using me to get himself lynched yesterday when it would have been pretty easy.
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Post 46 dp1: "do we vote on who to BAN or do we each get to ban someone?"
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Main reason is supa's post 8, was already doubting oro was town after I suggested it last day phase. Seemed like he already had his mind made up that he wanted to push a lynch for oro in the last phase. Also my vote was already on oro last phase and he still went took the risk and went with earth when only supa was on earth. Since I was pretty much confirmed town at that point he could have easily gone with me and gotten earth to help lynch him.
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@Vader
I am leaning lynching oro, thinking you are the mime. Any last attempts to sway me?
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@oromagi
Guts telling me your town here. I really don't wanna be wrong. Give me just like a little bit of extra convincing.
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@oromagi
Supas looking real good after starting that wagon now.
Im in no rush though. Oro you have any case to make for your innocence?
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Alright i guess were voting earth. Not sure how I feel about this but if i dont join you on this it ends in a no lynch and we lose anyway.
So i guess
Unvote vtl earth...
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@Earth
@Vader
@oromagi
Just realized in order for us to pull of a lynch here all 3 remaining townies have to be on board the same lynch or mimes are win by default. I will be asleep when the day phase expires so unfortunately it looks like I am kind of making the decision for you guys. I hope I am right on this one but yeah I am going to keep it on oro I think. Please vote him before expiration. If we lose I am sorry.
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Unvote, vtl oromagi.
After a re read I think oro is town. First to post win con, confusion about mechanics early on, participation on greys lynch, etc.
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Going with my gut on this one. I think the last mime is between earth and oro.
Vtl supa
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@Theweakeredge
Challenge me to a debate, or I call it a very long night - perhaps I will engage again in length, unfortunately I lost track of time - I have things I need to do, and more reasonable people to discuss with. Again, if you want dedicated engagement, challenge me to a debate - I will then stay engaged - however I have already proved my point, if you fail to see that fine - but I don't have any hard feeling leaving my rebuttal shere- I would just be repeating myself over and over, as you continue to make the same fallacies over and over. I'm aware you'll just laugh this off, "Oh, he's conceded" - fine - think that - i don't care - you have lost my respect as an interlocutor - if you think me - literally the person who responded to every single line of your rebuttals am stopping it here because "I was losing" then I would encourage you to reread things, and then do some soul searching, peace, or not - maybe don't go into society anymore
I mean we clearly are talking in circles here, if you have better things to do, do them. I don't care. I won't say you've conceded, I think you are willfully ignoring my points or mis-understanding them, but honestly it doesn't matter to me. You have helped me get this thread recognized, keeping it on the top of the forums list for over a week. It's been made very clear the mods have no intention of responding. If the only person they have to defend them is you and RM and doing it poorly, that's fine with me. I will continue to call the mods out when they make mistakes like this. As far as losing your respect; I could care less. I have never interacted with you prior to this engagement. Can't be hurt losing a friend I never had lol.
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