Lunatic

If he's town, he finds out scum is me or drafter (from his perspective). If he's scum, he just says scum is me or drafter. I don't see how those scenarios are going to change what we think because they give absolutely no reflection on his affiliation

If you want to VTNL that's fine with me since the ultimate outcome will be the same, but ultimately it's just a waste of time

I already thought about VTNLing. If we VTNL, scum waives. If they don't waive, they HAVE to kill me. The problem then is, it's still up in the air between warren and drafter as to who is scum, and that is something Lunatic chooses. If scum doesn't waive, there are then THREE possible mislynches, which is better odds than two. Then maf tries to get a mislynch, and they kill me the following NP, and they win.

So VTNLing doesn't do anything because no matter who scum is, they'll always waive.

Right. By why would speed not think to no lynch then. He’s smart enough to do that. It makes me think the only reason that thought didn’t occur to him is because that’s not his role and he forgot to think about the gameplay as if it was.

Actually I’ll explain why it was bad and speed can explain himself. I’m gonna have to explain it and let the cat out of the bag if mafia didn’t already realize it.

If speed is soldier town wins if he’s the last alive right?

So we no lynch. If speed doesn’t die, he’s at F3. Then it doesn’t matter who gets lynched, town wins. Speed didn’t even think to consider that. Why not, speed?

My results won’t matter, nobody would or should believe them if they didn’t buy my deputy claim

Lunatic when have you known me to give up as scum?

I’ve literally fought against being investigated guilty to the end

That’s a minor bone I wanted to pick from last DP but drafter ended it *glares*

To me, b/c it's nonprovable, unlikely to be taken by town, and has an easy justification, that's why I don't see him doing it.

Also the defense of WF, which I do think he could do as town but makes sense for him to do as scum too

If we're both alive next DP we can talk about it more then, doesn't really matter rn

I'll vote myself, but Bullish wanted to put together thoughts, please don't end this before the cop is able to do share his thoughts with the thread.

I am not lying, the thing I'm "hiding" is just logic about how the next NP/DP is going to play out, but saying that tells Maf pretty much exactly what the optimal play is but if you still want it then I'll tell you

Let's assume I'm scum. I wouldn't fear your role, I'd fear that 1. you're a good player and 2. you're widely townread.

I think you're a better player than supa (no offense supa, lunatic is good) and he wasn't widely townread. So what, I should be afraid of him because he had a 1x role? No.

Would you put it past water to not know the vote count

Is this in reference to my role claim or character claim?

The former I claimed because I thought that my claim would be accepted at face value. How naive. Then if bullish had two innocents (or even better a guilty) it's gg. I was excited that if I outted that I was deputy before cop outted I was basically guaranteeing that I was the deputy, so it was as good as solved. Turns out not so much.

i'm gonna be honest, i really don't think whiteflame's that sus and elminster and lunatic are just reading into him way too much. that's gonna look really bad for me if whiteflame flips scum if he dies somehow but i don't really care because i don't really think he's scum. i have a slight scum read onto lunatic for pushing whiteflame and i think it's safe to say if he is town then white flame is scum and vice versa.  a scum team between lunatic and elminster in my opinion is very unlikely and i'm almost one hundred percent elminster is town. as for everyone else i have a null.

yeah bro but you obviously voted him solely because you thought he was a baby. if he did what he did that one game where he ragequit and throws the game and gets himself modkilled then yeah it's definitely his bad. but you immediately voting him at the start just proves his point about us "tunneling" him which needlessly incites him. he might've been incited anyways but i don't think you voting him at the start saying "Oh. Mikal is here. Let's get this out of the way then." helped.

->@Greyparrot

I am the electrician able to see anyone who visits me whether it is scum or town. my justification is because my representative is big in the energy field.

this makes sense

Because he was a potential mislynch and there are way better kills based on how hard you, for one, pushed whiteflame D1. Supa had openly claimed to be 1x. I don't fear any 1x role, especially if, as you seem to agree, I knew there was a cop from the beginning of the game.