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@Speedrace
I kinda have an idea based on 104 but I'm big dumb rn so idk.
Anyways, help me lynch warren. We already know theres gonna be a guilty result tomorrow, whether its from bullish or bullish being killed and warren getting one if we don't lynch him lol.
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@Speedrace
Not impossible for you to be lying jist pretty risky.
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@warren42
Why wouldnt you have killed supa? Because you think he was a mislynch? I wasnt suspicious of him at all and its likely scum were hunting power roles.
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Speed literally cant be lying I realize unless hes alive at LYLO. Mafia wouldnt let him live that long. If hes alive at the end you can just lynch him there.
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Im still willing to lynch speed and warren.
vtl warren he seems scummier.
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@Bullish
thoughts on speed?
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@Bullish
yeah you are confirmed, because your comment about us having the same reads when you investigated misterchris lol
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@Speedrace
you joking about the bomb thing
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@Speedrace
what lol water is so town what reason would he claim that as scum
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I can't be third party though, unless you think I was a vig that also inherited the night kill which is crazy. In pies last game speed didn't have a kill til both mafia members died.
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@warren42
I’m not saying I posted a manifesto that solved the game but you didn’t know anything about that or the fact that I had character claimed immediately. You didn’t read what I posted; that is clear. I didn’t post much. That can also be true.
I copy pasted drafters list, which was before you claimed. I updated as soon as you mentioned you claimed.
Anyway, regardless drafter, this is not 7v3v1. If lunatic is 3P then he’s the last non-town player, if I’m mafia, I’m the last non-town player, or, what I think, he’s town and I know I am. Republican/Democrat isn’t the split
Id agree with this, I am either 3rd party last scum or there is one more mafia player. Not both. Balance makes 0 sense that way.
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@warren42
Your character is batshit crazy. QAnon level shit.
I'd probably agree from the little I know about her, but pie is hard right and he seems to like and respect her alot.
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@warren42
For example, lunatic clearly hadn’t read anything I posted D1. I hadn’t read most of what anyone had posted D1. I wanted to talk to people in real time some more, which is why I didn’t want to hammer.
You didn't post anything dp1. Lol that minor sus on grey was nothing.
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@Bullish
@WaterPhoenix
Gonna grind a couple hours of BDO while we wait for Bullish and water. I'll check back in to see if they've posted.
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@drafterman
FWIW, all the dead Town are Dems and all the dead Maf are Republicans.
I know thats not the split, because my character seems to hate joe biden, indicating she leans right. Also she a gun gal
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@warren42
Side note I was really hoping Lunatic would hit the cop with his vig shot so I could post "I Shot the Sheriff" to hint at my role (also to become the cop, that'd be sweet)
God dammit, you keep making my case for me lol. My theory is that elminster was killed because of his reads, and I was left alive dp1 because my reads were wrong and they expected me to mis vig, or because mafia expected me to hold to what I last said to misterchris and not vig at all. If you guessed I would kill the cop, that just feeds my theory more lol.
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@Speedrace
What are your thoughts on Bullish
His hard stance on GP looked good for him last phase. Also POE, because I feel pretty confident the last scum is in the three I mentioned. If I am wrong I'll feel a fool, but I am okay with getting his claim, maybe my mind will change.
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@warren42
But you also said you wouldn't necessarily trust the cop's results at this point
Before I remembered the electrician role. Let's see if there even is a cop first though.
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@warren42
What do you think of the fact that D2 GP immediately said "you killed Mikal because he suspected you" to me
That makes me scum read you more lol. He did the same thing to whiteflame dp1 immediately after we pressured him. In fact last night I link that exact post in my thoughts to pie, as to why I was scum reading you lol. I didn't bring it up here because it's weak WIFOM, but yeah...
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@warren42
You really think Mafia has an ascetic who also gets told who investigative roles are AND a godfather/framer/lawyer?Also FWIW thematically lawyer makes the most sense
No I don't think that. I just pointed out that grey's role was probably enough for them to assume there was a cop.
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@Speedrace
So for y'all it's basically three people you gotta choose between but to me it looks like it's between Warren and whoever does not claim cop
Pretty much this, and the fact that we have two mis-lynches means we have wiggle room between the three. It's possible for mafia to win, but unlikely.
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@warren42
Yeah, that's a good point. Lunatic you may not trust my claim but at least trust the results.
I am not going to jump to any conclusions til we hear the rest of the claims. I mentioned you were my top read but I will give you the time of day.
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@warren42
3 mafia with a godfather would be OP as fuck. 8v3 makes D2 MYLO as it is. I'm really hoping this is 3P or else this is terribly balanced
There probably isn't a godfather, given greys role. But greys role is enough to assume there probably is a cop. Balance is hard to determine because we don't know fully how whiteflames role works, or what abilities he has. I doubt towns only investigator was a 1x tracker though.
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@WaterPhoenix
Okay I still want to hear Waters claim then before we decide. We have 2 mislynches available, assuming there is no crazy multiple kill type role, which would be insane with mikal and my own role.
So ideally we could lynch 2 people out of that pile.
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BTW the deputy claim means nothing in the way of confirmation. It just means mafia knew a cop existed from DP1. Usually there is a cop in games. But even assuming they didn't jump to a conclusion there, it's probably because they have a godfather or lawyer as the final role. I am not apt to really even buy innocent results at this stage.
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@warren42
That isn’t what I said. I discussed how his claim was suspicious D1 cause he didn’t immediately claim. I proceeded with this D2 and then people immediately piled on. I didn’t want to hammer so quickly. So now, even though Grey was my strongest scumread and has been since D1, I look bad because his scum partner probably hopped on the wagon.Scumreading me may have been a bit too far but you said this and have made it very clear that you just didn’t read anything I posted D1
I just went through all your dp1 posts, and still don't see any discussion about grey being your strongest scum read. Can you link the post?
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@warren42
I called greyparrot out D1. You clearly didn’t read my posts D1 and just said “no activity” cause that was easier
I just control+F your name through every page of dp1 looking through your posts. "Called greyparrot out" in that you asked him why he would publicly ask if you are doc. You never mentioned scum reading him or voted him for that matter.
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Drafterman - ???? - Strengthener
Lunatic - Lauren Boebert - 1x Vig
Bullish - From Florida/Not GOP
Warren- Drew Ferguson from Georgia- Deputy
Unclaimed
Speed
WaterPhoenix
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@warren42
See this is why I was frustrated that you were suspecting me D1 and D2 for inactivity. I came in and character claims immediately when I was like oh hey I haven’t been on yet! Sorry about that but I guess I should probably immediately character claim. Grey pointed out oh that seems like a doc soft claim and I got pissed at him I was like why the fuck would you point that out if it was, it isn’t but why would you put it out if it was
Being mad at grey for for being grey doesn't constitute starting the wagon on him lol.
Also I didn't suspect you dp1 and 2, or openly say I did. I pinged you for activity multiple times to give me content so I could read you. Interesting you jumped to the conclusion I scum you.
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@Speedrace
I disagree in that I think Bullish is easily a candidate. But we should let the Cop out. I'm Adam Smith and I'm the Soldier
Can you paraphrase the justification?
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@warren42
How did you "Start" the wagon? You mean on GP? GP dug his own grave, you never voted him, and wanted to drag out the day phase and made sure everyone knew they couldn't use the waffling argument on you by pre empting it.
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Drafterman - ???? - Strengthener
Lunatic - Lauren Boebert - 1x Vig
Bullish - From Florida/Not GOP
Warren- -???- Deputy whip
Unclaimed
Speed
WaterPhoenix
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Drafterman - ???? - Strengthener
Lunatic - Lauren Boebert - 1x Vig
Bullish - From Florida/Not GOP
Unclaimed
Speed
Warren
WaterPhoenix
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I am really happy I didn't die last night. Lol for clarification I planted seeds that I suspected drafter was behind the kill in hopes mafia would leave me alive to mislynch him. I fully agree with what bullish said about hiding your reads when you already have a clear direction in GP. I was semi confident GP would flip scum after the revelation that pie doesn't put scum roles on town team after researching his past few games.
So here's where I am at with the revelation that GP is scum. I think GP kinda slipped up when he asked who elminsters scum reads are. I responded with the qoute of elminsters reads at the time which were: Speed, water, and warren. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5504-united-states-house-of-representatives-mafia-dp1?page=21&post_number=525
I actually think GP was trying to appear town there by guessing at the mafia motives like that; I've seen scum do it before, and I caught warren doing something similar in a virt game. I think the last scum is in that pile. Speed, water and warren. I currently have no scum vibes from bullish and I've considered drafter townie from dp1.
So out of the three, in order of scummiest to least scummy, I think it goes Warren as my top scum read, Speed as my second most, and water as my least.
I maintain water wouldn't have wanted to be trying to paint me as the next mislynch if whiteflame flipped town, because that would backfire on him. He was also giving a lot of town cred to whiteflame at the end. Whiteflame seemed like a for sure lynch at that point, scum would have wanted to be on that wagon at that point, not attempting to discredit the people on it. And I don't think water is big brained enough to pull reverse psychology for exactly this type of a read.
If it is speed, then he hard bussed both of his scum mates so far. Not that this is beyond him, but the whiteflame lynch he was on pretty early. He was one of the early supporters of the lynch along with mikal and myself, and lets be honest, whiteflames lynch wasn't impossible to deter. The reasoning for it was relatively weak in the grand scheme of things (even though I still think it displayed him as scum obviously) that was a lynch he didn't have to partake on. He loses a slight bit of town cred on the Greyparrot lynch, since at the beginning of day phase 2 he was trying town read GP, but it didn't take much for him to change his mind on GP, and when he did decide to get on GP he was on him hard.
Warren seeded that he was interesting in pressuring pie in post 33, but never put weight or much support behind the idea. It looks like he was waiting to see if the situation was salvageable. Warren also was trying to discredit my town read of waterphoenix, if scum he wants to keep him as a mislynch option, which is ironically more of a reason I kind of town read water. The final thing that looks scummy to me about warren is that he was worried about being accused of waffling. Town shouldn't be pre-empting arguments that they think make them look scummy in my opinion, their concern should be with figuring out who scum are. Warren could have been trying to salvage things or delay the inevitable to get more POE information.
Ultimately warren seems scummier, but I've been played by speed hard before. Speed is capable of bussing, but man if he did bus this game, he was kind of ruthless. But you gotta do what you gotta do.
I want claims from water, speed, and warren at this time.
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If I die tonight, please be active yall haha. Town is doing well i'd hate to see activity lose us this one.
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@Vader
I've said I have no results like 4x this DP
wasn't pinging you about results this time... lol
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@Speedrace
You think drafter killed Elm?
I mean he has incentive, but not neccesarily, just a possibility.
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@warren42
I appreciate the sentiment of using the entire day phase and all, but as you can see, mafia clearly is in no state for activity lol. I think this may be the last game for a while.
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@Vader
@warren42
@WaterPhoenix
We hammering or what
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Ci-a-bo-la, Ci-a-bo-la, Bump-e-tee bump! My life for you!
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The mikal kill could have literally been drafter trying to save his sanity or someone trying to set drafter up btw. Something to think about. Quite a few people town read elminster so that could also be why he was killed, but he himself said he wasn't a power role, so I kind of buy into a drafter vendetta kill.
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@warren42
@WaterPhoenix
i feel like we've exhausted everything anyone's wanted to say, i mean if no one has anything to say i could hammer right now.
I mean, the only reason I'd want to continue the phase is because I am likely dead tonight, but otherwise I am completely fine lynching greyparrot for the aforementioned reason. If it was a townslip oh well, but objective data shows pie hasn't put any generally scum sided roles on the towns team in recent games, so that's the nail in the coffin for me.
If I am dead I reccomend you guys push the rest of the claims tomorrow, hopefully we can POE from there. If greyparrot is town you know to be wary of investigators.
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@warren42
Checking in vs discussion, I feel like just lynching at this point isn’t the optimal play, I feel like D1/2 is always 86 pages then we speed through the rest and that’s not the best case scenario
What direction do you want to go? Who are your top suspects?
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@drafterman
Hes an electrician
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On the other hand took grey almost half an hour to claim from when we first asked him, and he was online and posting frequently before that.
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This is WIFOM argument, but the times I remember grey as scum, I don't think he just rolls over and quits when scum. In recycled roles mafia, he was copped guilty and still tried making the argument he was framed. In Dark Crystal he argued his lynch into LYLO and won against supa.
Anytime he has been town and mislynched, he's shared the same sentiment as he is here: a willingness to die for the greater good. That said, times changes and people change. His flip is town could still be useful info.
I might suggest we milk the day phase instead of just lynching grey outright. Maybe get the rest of the claims. It's going to be pretty predictable one of me or drafter will likely die tonight, or one of the other town reads so the POE won't help a ton other than crossing off grey parrot. Also if mafia do have the investigative role, it might be useful to figure out who that is by pushing the rest of the claims today. if grey dies and flips town, we know who investigators are for next phase, that way we do have some POE info to work with.
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@Vader
I'd like confirmation of your existence and lack of results before we hammer grey. I'd hate to hammer quickly if you had implicating evidence about another player that we didn't get to utilize, and you end up dying or something in the night.
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@Bullish
Only negative utility town roles frmo pies recent games are your standard millers and hated townies. Role like messenger and visitor were used in some recent games, but those aren't inherently generally viewed as scum roles either, and usually either scum/town type roles. Unless I am mis-remembering this is probably the first time ever he would have put a generally scum aligned role on town. At least in the DART games I've played of his.
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