Lunatic

I don't mind dying since my role isn't much utility for town.

Well why else would pie pick electrician for town?

Plus pretty sure WF had a investigate thinghy from his fish ability, which means I am doubly useless for town

How he said his role works today is what it says on the wiki. So he's not lying right now. I think he can be careless both as town and scum but more likely town.

I misread the pm and then was copy-pasting the justification and missed what you said before

I'm not gonna read into it because I have trouble reading into anything water does, but I think that if anything that'd be scummier. Most players would have been getting on the whiteflame lynch or distancing themselves from whiteflame, but I don't assume water behaves like most other players, I think that he'd be defending a partner there

I actually provided some input at the end of the day phase. I still don't particularly like GP given it breaks his meta. If he's town then I'm happy I'm wrong but this feels like something I want to pursue until I am actually proved wrong. How many times have you not seen him claim instantly as town?

I misspoke when I said "visit," my role only works when being specifically investigated, which means it's likely scum has an investigate ability (or had if one of the fisher abilities from WF was to investigate)... maybe town has one too who knows.

It's essentially the same as this.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/wiki/Electrician

I know the wiki page says it's a scum role, but I am town.

Isn't that around the time he started playing again?

The only revealed role so far that I've heard of is Strengthener and my own role. I've never heard of any of the others

I am the electrician able to see anyone who visits me whether it is scum or town. my justification is because my representative is big in the energy field.

Makes sense. I think I'm townreading Grey also because he's sheeping you like he usually does as town

I seems our reads are very aligned, although for once I would have preferred if you didn't shoot.

Who were elminster's scumreads?

Everyone else is null. Water is slightly sus for defending whiteflame but he would do that as town. Bullish, warren, and Supa have all been too inactive for me to say anything about them

i honestly don't think whiteflame is scum. if you guys lynch him and he flips town i advise to lynch lunatic next dp. i'm going to sleep now, wasn't very active today, i'll be much more active tomorrow hopefully.

Lol I didn't want to bring this up, but it is you who needs to go back to school -- the amount of times you've used "your" in place of "you're" is physically hurting me.

Although the way lunatic was pushing him this game was pretty bad. Lunatic said he didn't call whiteflames post "contradictory" even though he literally used the word "contradictory" in the post where he called out whiteflame.

Does your role justification draw on recent events?

Are you trolling? drafter's entire role is about interactions between other people's roles. Can u imagine if pie sent drafter a role PM and was like "you are the strengthener, but I can't tell you what it does cause that's against my modding policy lulz"

You are making no fucking sense bruh, up to that point drafter was confuse, I was confused, whiteflame was confused, and speed was confused. Your obliviousness of how confusingly you've presented yourself, and your convoluted analysis on drafter's motivations make no sense at all. This reminds me of a game played in early 2020 where you and drafter had extensive in-game bickering and your turned out to be scum.

That message only describes how your role works in a small subset of all ways that the night actions can play out, so no, you haven't explained what I wanted to know. I'm over here reading page 13 and people are still confused about how your role works. Idk how you can possibly at that point blame drafter for not knowing how your role works.

attempt to over complicate the strengthener/vig dynamic

No, more than 2 people are confused about this and it stems from the way YOU have presented how your role works.

I think I'm pretty settled on whiteflame.

Agreed

Pies Response - Can't talk about roles other than your own

I want you to ask pie this and copy paste it

"If I was enabled, would a roleblock still stop me"

YOU have the power the re-rail a wagon wherever you see fit. Be a leader, and steer us back if you think we're on the wrong path.

And we've previously established that I'm shit at doing that. It's one of the major problems with my play. One of these days, that might change. This was not that time.

So in your mind the grand solution is to do nothing and just wait for scum to out themselves?

I don't know how I can clarify this any better than I have. I'm not saying do nothing, I'm saying that we don't push for a lynch until we have the information from the NP to give us some guidance. You believe a lot in behavioral tells, and maybe I should as well, but I don't yet, and I like to be able to see how things actually play out before assuming that someone should be lynched.

Yes, we did set a precedent in that game, and it wasn't good. I contributed to that, as town, and that's a failure on my part. I'm happy to pick up activity in DP2 when we actually have some information to go off of, and frankly, that was the plan

If you don't want to wait for that, then lynch me. I'm honestly just tired of this back and forth, and I'm tired of being defensive. I'm also tired of constantly correcting you when you misquote me, as you've done here as well. If you're unhappy with my play, then that's not going to change because I pointed out why I did it.

I understand that you want to correct for what went so wrong in Bullish's game. I understand that I, like so many others in this game, was part of the problem there. And if you want to punish me for not making changes to my play to improve things, then I guess I'm guilty. Always appreciate the feedback.

Who are they and why aren't you pressuring them then?

Because the only reason I tend to put pressure on people in DP1 is to get information, and at this point, I think we have enough information to be able to interpret what happens in the NP. Until then, I don't think getting more information does anything to further our cause, though it gives scum more known targets.

Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I didn't say there's nothing to behaviorally read into the posts that have gone up, but enough of this has been focused on their infighting that I think it's entirely appropriate to call much of this a pissing match, and I think it's a little odd that you can claim this is 17 pages of grade A content that should afford me every opportunity to pick out scum. It's not.

Normally, when I've done that, it's actually sussed me because I tend to jump on and off of lynches, especially in DP1, on the basis of getting more activity or claims. Activity is above average, and we have more than enough claims. I'm not interested in getting more to interpret what happens in the NP. I've said this several times.

From your post #417: "I asked for reads yesterday and got a nothing post, and earlier today a contradictory fence sitting post." Yes, you did say contradictory. I started off nonplussed (appreciate your use of that term, btw), but I gave an informed decision nonetheless. I've straight up said on multiple occasions that I don't like lynching in DP1, and this is no different, but I provided reasons why I'd still consider it. I wanted to get other insights before voting because if I did vote, I would be seeking to lynch, something I've never committed to in a DP1 for a reason.

Unvote drafter 

Something to note. If drafter was scum , would he replace. I think he would be more likely not to because he would feel invested with his scum buddy. 

That leads me to believe he is town, because pie did in fact confirm that he was being replaced to me. 

Again, didn't say nothing happened. I hop on for short periods of time over the course of the day. I provide shit feedback because whenever we start to get into something that looks interesting, it seems to get derailed by a wagon on either Elm or Draft, and whatever consequences spin out from that.

Shockingly, I don't want to add to those wagons and make the problem worse because I see them as problematic beyond the scope of this single game. I also don't think there's enough information on anyone else to push for a lynch, and I'm consistently wary of lynching anyone in DP1 for much the same reason.

 If you think that's lazy, then I guess I can't change your mind, but no, the attitude isn't the reason why town loses games. It's bad in later DPs to not push for a lynch, and I was pretty upset in Bullish's game that we didn't get a lynch in DP2. I think it's also bad in DP1 to push for a lynch with no or next to no information beyond some small behavioral tells. I think that tends to lead to a lot of mislynches.

 There are also many who haven’t contributed much, and those who have have largely done so by hopping on and off lynches that others led, or leading a lynch that they never seem to care much about after voting.

I’m just frustrated that so much of this DP has been anything but productive. You can call 17 pages of posts productive if you want, but so much of this has been either a pissing match or a set of distractions that I’d hesitate to call it that. 

I’m not particularly interested in addressing behaviors I do commonly and already know aren’t perfect for this game.

And I don’t know how I could be any clearer about how my posts weren’t contradictory