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@drafterman
You’re voting me because you lied about how your role works? Lol.
Your the one scared of the your role not working the way its designed to lol
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@drafterman
It's my role in my role PM. It prevents other roles from being interfered with.
So then it should work on me then.
I read that you were 1x vig. I didn't read all of these contingencies. All I can do is prevent mafia from interfering with the operation of your role. I can't override the restrictions of your role itself and I never claimed I could.
So your role and my role is useless? Theres no way he wouldn't let the kill go through
You didn't say anything about your target needing to target you as well for your kill to go through.You've changed your role from "my kill will go through no matter what unless role blocked" to "my kill only goes through if my target also targets me."
It literally makes no difference, under the first thing we thougt (under your own logic) it still would have been a mechanic preventing the kill from going off.
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So in summary if Mafia A targets you but you target Mafia B only you will die. If Mafia A targets you and you target Mafia A, you both will die. If you aren’t targeted by mafia your shot will go through
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@WaterPhoenix
by kill do you mean the kill from the mafia or the kill from you?
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both?
I dont understand the question
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lol at drafter looking for an excuse for his role not to work
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@MisterChris
What? Why? Is it a vig variant? Why doesn't the vig just.... kill its target.
You'd think. It's a weak vig, but with drafters role it should work as normal.
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@drafterman
My strengthening means your action is immune to interference. It can't be roleblocked, protected against, redirected, etc. If it is contingent on maf targeting you, I can't make maf target you.
What you asked pie and he told you that? When I first claimed I explained that you should be able to strengthen and you didn't say anything then. If my kill wouldn't normally go through, it should now go through if you enable me. I don't understand how that wasn't the idea from the get go...
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@drafterman
Oh... so you can't actually vig Elminster.VTL Elminster
Thats where the "you motivating me" part come in...
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@ILikePie5
huh? Explain.You said you were going to vig Elminster, and that Drafter could strengthen you.Where are you getting "I can only kill mafia if I'm targeted by mafia" from?
My communication with pie. Kill only goes through if I target the mafia who targets me.
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@MisterChris
I'm confused as to how the kill not going through translates to Mikal being mafia.
Actually I got that part wrong from my communication with pie. I can kill mafia only if they target me. Shouldn't make a huge difference
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@Bullish
Why is there Mr in front of only 2 names? I think u scum slipped and we just caught the 2 scum
AW FUCK YOU GOT ME
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@Elminster
nah I'm a man of my word lol That's some Walder Frey type stuff.
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@Greyparrot
Did pie give you a lengthy in-depth justification?
Yes
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@Greyparrot
I'm way too dumb to pull off an elaborate fake claim, especially not within 5 minutes considering how slow I type.
If it was a fake claim or your scum mate was on to help it wouldn't have mattered, but I digress, I'll let it go for now. It's WIFOM suspicion.
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The mafiauniverse description says it is more mafia utility than town utility but could theoretically be either affiliation. However the way the MU version works is different than how GP said. Could be a custom role I guess but im slightly suspicious of the role ngl
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If grey is scum he probably chose fake character, google hal rogers or look at the wiki and it doesn't talk much about energy or coal. I had to specifically look up coal caucus to find his stances on the subject: https://halrogers.house.gov/biography
This looks good for GP, though I am still concerned it could be a fake claim. If it is, then we know they don't have a fake role since pie said he was only giving one or the other. GP's late response to claiming still has be a bit worried.
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@Speedrace
Where ya at speedy boi
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Edit to post 163: Claiming not fake claiming.
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or bullish. bullish has a wierd schedule.
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@whiteflame
Also I was pressuring speed for activity and reads, not a claim.
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@whiteflame
I'm happy to pursue a full claim from GP, but isn't this starting to get a little much if we also pursue Speed? With GP, we'd be at 4 full claims. At that point, it just seems excessive - we're just giving away free information for scum to use during the NP.
We can stop pursuing claims after GP. GP is a special circumstance because he usually has no qualms fake claiming, so if he is delaying it's likely because he is waiting for his partner to get on and help him with a claim. If grey turns out scum one of the people not online could very likely be his partner. Water, speed, supa or warren maybe.
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@Elminster
Agreed. The longer he takes to claim the more ima scum read him lol
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@Greyparrot
@Elminster
I can get behind that, if anything as a science experiment for future games.
You willing to claim without votes grey?
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@Elminster
Thoughts on parrot not claiming off the bat
To be honest I am not a fan of that kind of logic... But.. I am prettu sure I remember Greyparrot himself admitting this was his scum tell after recycled roles mafia where he was lynched. He didn't full claim dp1 in that game.
I can't find the post. I also remember some conversation about him saying he was gonna stop doing that because it pissed people off, but he has been doing it again as town recently, so as far as reading grey parrot goes, that could very well be a tell.
Scum gp: I was gonna full claim dp1 but then speed and pie started acting silly so I wanted to see where it would go.
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@Elminster
Ill sheep youWhere next ?
I wanna make my rounds and pressure everyone, inactive here, but speed and bullish seem more likely to respond quickly, so I think we can save water, supa and warren for a few hours.
VTL speedrace for general activity and thoughts on the game. Ideally scum reads and town reads if he has any.
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@Elminster
I think in regards to whiteflames "commital-ness", my conclusion is this: Whiteflame as town tends to be commital in later day phases. We can see this both in supas waifu game where he took a hard stance on drafter in the later phases, and in bullishes crimes mafia, where he was pretty firm on speedrace in the end. But in day phase 1 of each game I can find he seems pretty lax with lynching. He's been scum a total of three times on this website. Once as that third party mime role which you played, once in the stand mafia, which you also saw, and once in danielles christmas mafia. Christmas mafia ended extremely early, but ironically we had a huge debate with likemagic about whiteflame being non committal in dp1 there as well. While he happened to be scum in that game, I was say his lack of taking a firm stance in that game lines up with other town games with him, including day phase 1 of crimes mafia. Though that game was a shit show of inactivity all around.
In conclusion I think it's just null that he was willing to lynch you. I also think argumentatively, his reasoning stands for white he said he was willing to lynch you but then unvoted after you started being active.
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@Elminster
As far as whiteflame being non committal, its been discussed ad nauseum that he tends to come off that way as both affiliations. So i'd ultimately call it a null tell but I cam reference the christmas mafia game where he was scum and see if there are any glaring warning signs besides that I am missing.
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@Elminster
What are your thoughts.I tend to stand by the fact that it benefits someone to try and trigger me. I feel like town let's that goDo you feel what I said was right about whiteflame and drafter.I feel there is a town scum split there
I currently town read drafter, and like I said, won't be lynching him today regardless. Whiteflame? I don't know if I agree or dis-agee on it. He always kind of comes off as a null read. His response was argumentatively sound, but regardless doesn't really make me town him. I'll help you vote him for pressure though if you want.
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@Elminster
Cool. We voting whiteflame then, or do you still suspect him?
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@Elminster
Ill play if you swear on our friendship that you draw the line to where I'm going. I really don't think you get how frustrating it is. I tried to sympathize with what you just went through and your points. Understand this is like 10x worse and literally kills any motivation I have to play.If you want me to finish the game then promise
I'll be honest I have no clue what you are talking about. I just want you to play the game seriously today, and I'll say whatever to make you do that. I'm not gonna go back on the promise to drafter if that's what your asking. I am hoping you can just convince him you are town by the end of this phase and we can not have to go through with it, but if not I will 100% be vigging you, regardless of me thinking your town. Im just gonna ask you to please play serious for this day phase. And i'll hold my promise to you to help you lead a lynch on whoever you want as long as its not me or drafter. Deal?
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@Elminster
Not to the extent that in saying.You took it to a logical extreme. Remove the conclusion from what you just thought and draw a different one.
Ah, okay.
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@Elminster
I expect you are hinting something to me and if your not and make me put in effort , and I'm wrong then I'm going to be very sad.
I am not hinting anything, but I think I know what you are trying to say, and I can't agree to that, not only because it's fvcked up, but it hurts town chances even further lol. Please though, please. Just one day phase! Play!
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@Elminster
Only if you read my mind and prove a point.Deal?
huh?
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@Elminster
At least play out the day phase. If not as a favor to pie, as a favor to me?
I just outted my role for you bro and will likely die too lol. If drafters mind isn't changed by the end of the day pahse you get your wish anyway and get killed so you don't have to worry about playing any more.
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@Elminster
I am fine with being vigged it saves pie the trouble of replacing me. But I am not going to participate any further in this game. I did this because I was asked and even told pie, it would gimp town and he encouraged me that players would not be that stupid. And here it is again
It's one person though, one person doesn't constitute you being lynched automatically.
I'm being killed to shut drafter up. I want you to understand how un fun this is for me. When people ask me to play or come back and it will be fine etc. All to have the same result of drafter never letting this go
How is this unfun!? With my compromise, you get a free pass you lynch whoever you want this game, and I will wagon and support you on the lynch. Sounds pretty fun to me!
Do what you will but this behavior is going to kill mafia on this siteNow I won't play with drafterAnd danielle is likely going to not play with you.The behavior on here with the lack of activity is going to kill it. This will be my last post and no matter who asks me to play in the future , I'm refusing if drafter is in the game. The fact that he is a mod is laughable.It's not worth the effort to try and form reads or play the game when it results in me dying to satisfy his stupidity
help me prove drafter wrong then, play super seriously and help hunt scum. Maybe you will convince drafter that having me vig you isn't the best in the end. I'll uphold my promise to him to save the day phase so long as he wants me to vig you, but you literally have the power to change his mind if you decide to play seriously. This could be a win win.
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@Elminster
who we lynchin homie
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@Elminster
okay drafter unvoted you. This day phase is yours. Who we lynching outside of me and drafter?
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@Elminster
If you guys agree to the plan, I'll mindlessly wagon whoever you want this day phase
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@Elminster
Calm down for a sec. Ignore drafter. Read my compromise.
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@drafterman
Well, given his most recent posts it seems he's on the fence as to whether or not he's going to go that route, which makes me inclined to just lynch him and be done with it.Frankly, this shit shouldn't be tolerated. Contemplating it shouldn't be tolerated. He's done it three times and now he's considering doing it again and people are just like "meh" when, as a community, it should be "play the fucking game or don't play at all."I get Mafia activity in general is low here, but it is what it is. No mafia is better than shitty mafia and I will absolutely rid this game of a shitty player to improve the game than tolerate it.So my vote is staying where it is.
Okay, fair enough. I am not going to try and convince you that you are wrong, because in a way you do have a point. That said, if the goal is to teach mikal a lesson, the lesson won't be tought, and if he's town we are just going to hurt ourselves more. He's here in the game whether we like it or not, if he's going to throw, we will be mislynching him anyway. All that does is waste the day phase and give inactive scum a free mislynch and a whole day phase of wasted communication. Mikal is willing to play ball right now.
I am not as worried about mislynching him, as I am about wasting the enitre day phase and giving other players an excuse not to talk or participate in a meaningful way.
So here's my compromise: I am Lauren Boebert, the 1x vig. I was initially probably going to just waive my kill every night phase unless we had results that guaranteed a scum or something. But I will promise to use it on elminster tonight, since he says he is not a power role. My kill will go through no matter what unless role blocked, or killed by the scum carrying the night kill, according to pie. Pie hasn't answered my question about whether a strengthener would allow the kill to go through though, and I doubt he will since doing so might be considered bastard modding. But it stands to reason that if you strengthen me it should go through. If mafia roleblock you, I would assume my kill should be free of being blocked obviously, and go through. If it doesn't, then mikal was the mafia carrying out the night kill and you guys know to lynch him next day phase.
This way we satisfy killing mikal and we don't have to debate mikals intentions to throw the game all of day phase 1 (which is one of the more important day phases in the game typically in my opinion).
Does this compromise work with you?
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@Elminster
Good answer lol. If you said he agreed I would have have FOSed you instantly because I specifically told him I would instantly quit if made scum with danielle and he said he was gonna randomize it anyway.
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@Elminster
Did pie agree to your demands?
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If its the first not the latter*
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@drafterman
Ok, fair you didn't ping me, but you are voting me. What do you expect to get out of it?
Its because of your vote. How dead set on you about lynching elminster? Is it gonna be ome of those things where you will tunnel him all game until he dies or are you flexible? If its the latter I may have a plan to compromise but it will have blow backs in the way of POE for scum, though I suppose it could help town in POE too depending if mafia call bluffs.
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@Elminster
Can you tell me if you are a power role or not? I know that sounds insane that I would ask you that but I am doing it for a reason, and hopefully to try and make a compromise with drafter who I know is stubborn enough to probably not unvote you the entire game.
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