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@iamanabanana
Would appreciate some more input as well from you.
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@Savant
How does your rating thingy work? I don't get it. Like you have two town reads on pie, two scum read posts from pie, and you list him at "null 75%". Where does the percentage come into play, and why isn't that 50/50? You the go on to say that he is your biggest scum read? I just don't understand how the maths work, and what exactly factors into the percentages.
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@WyIted
Bro I pulled up a town game and showed how he doesn't do it there and his fluffing wasn't limited to the early part of the DP
I'll take your points into consideration, and for the record I do think you are town here, I just don't think any of this means he is confirmed scum the same way you do, but I think we agree in general what mharmans scum games look like. I am not sure I am seeing it here yet, but he is still mostly null to me, maybe even slight town, but I don't have anything solid on mharman yet, but I will keep an eye out on him.
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@Mharman
The logic is… okay, I guess.
Lol okay what do you take issue with specifically?
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@WyIted
just a fluff post meant to make conversation, Notice in the post after he says "Here" and I shit you not when Mharman says "here" he is always scum.
Any examples of this? You sure he doesn't say this as town too? This just seems like a weird one.
On page 3 he tries to buddy both Savant and me #64, 67, 69
I think I see town buddy more often than scum tbh.
post 49 mharman buddies lunatic pretty blatantly like he did this game, something absent from his town game where he is all business and with a very occasional joke
I mean I buddy as scum but usually only to pie because he seems to fall for it hook line and sinker every time.
Anyways I am not trying to be contrarian, I do think mharman's inactivity or lack of caring about a game usually indicate he is scum, however I don't get that feeling from him this game, he is far more active, and I don't expect him to have tons of substance day phase 1. He has been pressuring inactives for activity, and in general trying to move the game forward, so while I do agree in some areas of what you are talking about is mharmans scum tells, other things like "buddying" and "minor fluff posting" don't really ping me as "not caring" or "indifferent" that I view from him as scum. When hes' scum he almost seems kind of depressed, like he's not up to the task, and I just see it here.
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@Casey_Risk
I'm sorry everyone, I know I'm not up to my usual standards right now. Work has been occupying basically all my time, and on top of that, I dropped my phone last night and it broke. The hinge won't open all the way now (I have one of those fancy new folding smartphones) and the touchscreen is super wonky now. It's barely functional. Normally I'd drop out, but with the Town plagued by inactivity as it is, I don't want that to everyone else.
Sorry about your phone and the major workload, thats a bummer, hope you had phone insurance. I once bought a brand new phone and didnt think I needed the insurance since I had literally never broken a phone in my life, and with my luck it dropped like 3 inches from my pocket to the gravel when I bent to pick a box up and somehow the entire screen shattered as I hadn't got screen protector yet (I only had the phone for like a day so far). Ever since then I always buy the insurance even though its hella expensive.
A few quick reads for now: Wylted very likely did not fake his claim imo. He was quick to claim and this seems like a tough one to research tbh. Plus, he's notoriously pretty bad at fakeclaiming. His fakeclaim last game was one of the worst I've ever seen.
And his fakeclaim is castlevania was absolutely horrid too lol. Yeah he's not the best fake claimer.
Also, behaviorally, his logic behind thinking WF modspewed AR as scum is kind of dumb, but I remember Austin once saying that using bad logic is a town tell for Wylted, and in my experience, that seems to be accurate.
I actually buy into mod logic a lot. Not neccesarily the part about AR getting contacted via discord, but in general I think it's something at least worth considering with a grain of salt, obviously I wouldn't pursue a lynch over it alone, but combined with behavior analysis it can be useful. I have been correct in some of my mod psyche stuff before.
Banana's entrance feels fine to me. Earth volunteering himself feels good to me. Can't townread Savant for his effort this game like in the last one, so he's null for now. So is everyone else I haven't mentioned.
Thanks for the thoughts, I'll toss you an early town read too for this entry.
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@Earth
If you think it'll move the game along, sure.
Yeah I am cool with the earth town read
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@WyIted
I think he has fun playing and literally could give a shit less about winning
Hard dis-agree, I may sound like a d1ck since he's my friend, but he definitely takes mafia seriously. I've seen him rage quit multiple times as town to prove a point. Mikal's is easy to tell when town I think its all based on how the crowd interacts with him, if he is in a "leadership" role in the town, he can be scary but if the towns against him and he flips out like a child, hes probably town lol
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@ILikePie5
We have activity! Your thoughts are requested
Sorry mate was a in a sleep coma. Had a fun weekend, and had to get my sleep schedule back on track, but I should be active my usual times now that its the work week.
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@WyIted
Mharman is scum just read his posts in isolation and build the wagon so I don't have to. There is no need to waste time getting his claim or anything. It's pretty much a lock
Is this based on minimal effort, fluffy, lazy style posts? I would say that is mharmans scum tell, because he tends to go hard as town. Then again I was fluffing a bit earlier too so that'd make me a hypocrite.
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@Mharman
So, does Mikal do this as town? Cause he did rage at me a little like this last game, although this time the threat is less than last time. I can see the frustration at least.
If I know mikal, he is itching to post, so if he is not here and not posting, its because he genuinely cannot. Its null for either affiliation, but I am saying his excuse is legit, look at any mikal game he is usually top poster. If he could be here he would.
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Im back trying to fix my sleep schedule again, so I likely wont be active til this evening or tonight. Im about to go into a coma of sleep.
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@Earth
How many kids did you shove into lockers?
0. I am not a bully man. I mean, tbh I barely went to school my senior year, I don't even know how I graduated. Well yeah I do. Packets. Those things are basically cheating lol. High schools use them to help there statistics, but man, I did not deserve to graduate.
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@Mharman
Did people even do that when you were in high school? Where I went to hs the bullies were just told to stfu by everyone else. They really couldn’t shit lol
I assume that was a pre 90's thing, stuffing people into lockers. Bullying did occur, but it was mostly verbal, people calling each other nasty names and stuff.
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@WyIted
Sure but that's for having a feminine walk, wearing nail polish and having a lisp that makes me sound gay not for the unforgivable offense of being smart.
Now all that stuff makes you the popular kid these days
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@WyIted
I can but that only tells me the scientific consensus I still do not have the equipment or expertise to verify the scientific consensus is correct. Lets meet in the middle though. I will google it and tell you the scientific consensus but I cannot and will not verify if it is true or not until I am able to personally test it, since scientists are the type who got stuffed in lockers as children, so essentially beta males too afraid to rock the boat.
No offense, but you totally seem like the weird kid type that got stuffed into lockers lmao.
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@airmax1227
Good to see you are around, I hope all is well with you.
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Ah and the inevitable temper tantrum takes place. You took a naughty boys toy away, allow him space to grieve.
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@Mharman
Hidden Agendas:
Austin- “Vote for every player at least once before the day phase ends.”
Earth- "You must randomly capitalize the first letter of one word in every sentence you write, besides the first this day phase"
Moozer- "You must not use punctuation when you type this day phase. No periods, commas, asteriks, hyphens, colons, etc"
Savant- “You must vote at least three different times this day phase, and each time you vote you must forget to bold the vote, and correct it in the very next post”
Mharman- "You must use the word 'Evil' 6 times this day phase."
And mafia didn’t even bother guessing since town cheesed it and broke the game
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@Savant
Was the thing about the number of responses to the riddle day 1 resolved? Was that just a typo on your part?
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/in
Sounds like its starting next week, so after my camping trip. Should be fine.
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@Mharman
Ex. 9 players, 7v2: Town freebie is one mislynch, if both scum carry their weight, they secure a mislynch each, for a total of three that wins scum the game.Same thing with the other increments of +4, starting from 1.Keep in mind that a mislynch costs town two players, because of night kills.
I think expecting a mafia to be able to succesfully pull off a mislynch is hopeful, but not really representative of the skill level of most members here. Theres a handful of people I would expect to just do the bare minimum of surviving, and not fvcking up a fake claim, let alone anything else. Could be a dart thing though, no offense, we don't have the best players here, not like mafiauniverse, where scum can easily do that type of thing. There is also less chance of role interference in those games since they are generally vanilla heavy. 4 mislynches in general feels like a lot because thats already 4 guaranteed day phases, no accounting for correct lynches by town, so your counting on some pretty lengthy games, and again at that point POE is always going to be a thing where you have multiple town confirmed players by that point and mafia are narrowed down not even due to making mistakes, but not being able to confirm themselves. That why I told casey I can maybe see 4 mislynches being balanced in a game that isn't role heavy, but we simply don't make those types of games on DART.
9 player 7v2 requires three for scum to win. 13 player 10v3 requires four mislynches. 17 player 13v4 requires five mislynches.Poe depends on what roles town has and didn’t mislynch. Also depends on fake claims from scum, as well as night actions from both sides, but mostly scum
Right, and statistically looking at DART, there are usually 1-4 roles that confirm a player, sometimes more, and those players are not always high priority kill targets when scum have to worry about 1-2 investigation roles at the same time, so realistically from a DART POV, adding more mislynches is going to make it harder on scum who already have a pretty tough job in general.
And as for the reliance on town fucking up, that’s something mafia always has to do anyway. There’s only so many mistakes you can force if you’re scum. At the end of the day, if town gets the calls correct, you just lose. Consider basketball, where you can contest the shot to make things harder for them; if they keep scoring on jumpers, however, you just lose. C’est la mafia.
Agreed
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I’m gonna opt out for now and take a little mafia break, also I’m gonna be camping over the weekend and will miss like three days. Since there are no night phases there are basically no breaks and that’s a bit sweaty for me, so I’m gonna
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@Mharman
the rule i operate with is that town should be able to survive as many mislynches as there are scum.
Why?
Vaarka taught me that, so I refer to it as Vaarka's Golden Rule (he may have been taught by someone else, but idk who). I taught the concept to Whiteflame and Casey btw
Love Vaarka but he wasn’t known to be an amazing player or anything lol
9players, 2 scum. 13 players, 3 scum. 17, 4. So 5,9,13,17,etc is a sequence
In all of these set ups you still have four mislynches, not to mention potential night kill interference with protection roles, or role stopping roles etc. that’s a lot of reliance on town fvcking up, not to mention games here tend to get POEd very fast via town confirmation etc. accounting for that mafia can play perfectly but still get screwed by POe eventuality.
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Mharman that game only had three mislynches and you were exhausted by the end. Imagine having to go another day phase there lol
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I know there wasn’t a tp this game. And I can think times of where the survivor didn’t help town. It more or less comes down what the survivor feels is optimal. I don’t entirely hate 8v3s, I just prefer 8v2+1s.Your setup is your choice. I’m not gonna quit ur games bc I disagree with something lol
The point is I don’t understand your math, telling me we can agree to disagree doesn’t tell me why your way is more balanced. It’s not just you Casey also says the same thing but won’t substantiate it. I know she also thinks 8 v 2 v1 is better balanced I just literally don’t under why. Why is 4 mislynches better than 3 mislynches when 90% of games are balanced around 3 mislynches? I just wanna understand the math I don’t care about agreeing to disagree lol I literally don’t get your point
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Saying righteous hell actually makes that statement more sinful/slanderous to God and his judgement+design than just saying no way in H###By specifying Hell as righteous, it makes it sound as if you see good inside of it and that you believe you know fully how Hell works to make that claim.
I am an atheist I dont believe in all that anyway. I just wanted to use a cool term.
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@WyIted
Ill be completely honest not a huge fan of this set up, and there is no way in righteous hell your getting 12 players, but I don't want mafia to stagnate for another month again while we wait on one games sign ups, so I'll deal with this one lol. But just saying if you were open to a theme change we might get mikal to sign up for this one. Already tried begging him, he like me didn't like the idea for this one lol
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@Mharman
The idea is that the survivor will take the side of whoever is doing better, so they count as 0.5 scum
1. There was no third party here
2. That shouldn’t be assumed in general as historically 3p takes the side of town
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@ILikePie5
I worded that specific question in that specific way to throw Lunatic off too, before I posted that read on Mikal. He refused to give a clear answer when I got more specific.I know. Don’t know why though. Cause it’s a question based on flipped roles.
Mikal was flipping out because the answers I was giving were screwing him over or something so I started to be more vague
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@Mharman
Thats what I mean though, in my head for 11 players 3 scum makes perfect sense, 4 mislynches for 2 scum is a lot unless they just have really powerful roles.
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@Mharman
8v3 is really hard for town imo. Roles can help I suppose. I know when I see 11 players, my mind jumps to 9v2+1
I keep hearing people repeat this line without any logic behind it to back it up whatsoever. Maths fine, town get three mislynches, as opposed to 9 v 2 they get 4, 4 is a lot imo. I don't see where your math makes 9 v 2 better than 8 v 3. I hated playing 9 v 2 when I did it lol we get 3 flawless mislynches and the game should have ended and it still came down to a 50/50 in the end lylo...
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@Casey_Risk
I will say, I am very frustrated that the town believed Banana when she claimed my character and role. I thought it was SO OBVIOUS that I was softing Fear Factor.
To be fair, pie was unrelenting on this point, and it was one of the major things that got him killed lol
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@Savant
I guess you being scum makes more sense from the POV of WyIted not really cooperating with you. But why not line up a better claim for him? Or have him use the fake claim? I don't think you were really on the table to be lynched dp1.
Wylted was a loose cannon and broke under pressure. I don't think any of the scum team had a chance to warn him away from his claim when he claimed it lol It happened very fast
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@Casey_Risk
Also, what happened with Austin and Moozer both claiming they didn't submit a guess? Was that really just a moderator error?
I mentioned that in the OP. Basically I was getting discord submissions and dart submissions, and I don't totally remember everyones discord handles. One of them I could have sworn was moozer, and I counted his answer, I didn't realize til later that person wasn't moozer. Anyways, to prevent that whole thing town didn't need to ever know how many answers were submitted, but I didn't think it was something that would be abused, due to naivety lol.
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@Casey_Risk
Balance feels slightly scumsided tbh, but it was a good game regardless!
Thats wild, I thought it was town sided a bit from the start lol. Town had three mislynches (accounting for the gladiator) and had investigative power in whiteflame, with the only counter being the redirect.
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Theme split was "Newer Game Shows" Vs "Old Game shows" mafia were all game shows that came out in the last few years, town was all game shows from 20+ years ago or more. I also heard streaming vs non streaming speculated from mafia, and while wasn't what I was going for, it is still technically correct lmao.
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@ILikePie5
Why tf would you choose not to use your role. Forget about the number of lynches. We get a free tkwnie
For the most part I agree with you, but if he used his role and it still resulted in a mislynch, town would have been screwed either way, but it also decreases the chances of said mislynch, so imo it would have been a calculated risk to take in dp 2 or 3.
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1st place: Mafia (Banana, mikal, wylted)
2nd place: Town (Earth, Moozer, savant, mharman, austin, ilikepie5, whiteflame, caseyrisk)
Role PM's: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lzZU0wDbKYaYDOwyZDAzTAAmZefG8vQ2Nkl3NHMzxKc/edit?usp=sharing
Night actions (game show answers): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_TcvOIytn-y8RQUq6jd7MXCNZg3kjcd4Z7mPDBPhHYA/edit?usp=sharing
Endgame Comments:
Well busses are still OP in 2025 I guess lol. Grats to mikal and banana for selling that bus that carried them to the finish line. I don't really give MVP's, but despite the end blunder, I still think mharman did an amazing job, and it was obviously a very frustrating position to defend against Mikal and savant, but I think for the most part he did an amazing job. Pie did great as well, was on banana like white on rice the moment she claimed after picking up on caseys soft hint. I think savant had a very strong start, but mikal pulled one over on him towards the end, and he can hardly be blamed for that, mikal is did an amazing job, and is definitely the mafia MVP. Everyone did awesome, it was fun to watch.
The gameshow thing did NOT turn out how I expected and I probably won't do that mechanic again. There are too many ways to break games, and I can't blame town for trying to win but the game breaking stuff really went against the whole idea of what I was trying to do and it worked against mafia a lot (especially the agenda one, and technically the vote one austin figured out too, if mikal wasnt so crafy in gaslighting you all for votes). And savant did point out that sensor is a night time use role, and I fvcked up by calling it a day time use role, my thinking obviously was that since it interacted with a lynch count it as a day time use role, but technically the role is still used at night. So that was my bad. I also fvcked up when I forgot moozer hadn't submitted an action either. I got half my submissions from discord, half from dart, and for some reason I thought one of the discord accounts that messaged me was moozer, and I was WRONG. Anyways, I never should have told town to begin with how many votes were submitted, just was naive enough to think it wouldn't bite me in the butt later. Also I could have created rules about no game breaking the games, I just didn't think I would need to, so that was a lesson learned for me. Despite all that mafia still pulled it off, so that's pretty amazing.
Good job yall, sorry for the errors, hope you still had some fun.
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Official Vote Count:
Mharman- 2/2- Mharman, Savant
Mharman was lynched! He was innocent!
What an anti climatic ending. Endgame coming up soon.
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Dead Players:
Wylted- The Circle- 1x Catfish- Mafia (Lynched DP1)
Casey_Risk- ???? -????- ???? -(Killed NP1)
Whiteflame- Wheel of fortune- wheel spinner- Town- (Lost gladiator duel DP2)
iLikePie5- Who wants to be a millionaire? - Millionaire- Town (Killed Np2)
Earth- Survivor- Soldier- 1x cop- Town (Lynched Dp3)
Austin- Family Feud- Gladiator- 1x sensor- Town (Killed NP3)
Iamanabanana- You are “the Mole!” A Netflix original TV show where players must eliminate someone each night based on who they think the mole is. Since the moles job is to sabotage and manipulate other players into suspecting each other, and ruining the collective groups financial gains from each challenge, you are Redirector. Each night you may choose a player and redirect them to another player. You win with the mafia. (Lynched DP4)
Moozer325 - You are “Whose line is it anyway?” A game show that’s more intended for comedic purposes, than actual winning. This is the show where everythings made up and the points don’t matter. Starring Colin Mochrie, Wayne Brady, and Ryan Stiles as the main show participants, they will compete against each other in improv game challenges with the ultimate goal of making the audience laugh. A winner is decided by the end of each episode, but the only prize seems to be social credit. You are the popular townie. When you are voted to be lynched, you will require one extra vote to be lynched. You win with the town.
Living Players:
1. Mharman
2. Mikal
3. Savant
With 3 players left, it takes 2 votes to lynch!
Day phase ends in 72 hours, 05/29/25 at 11pm EST.
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Official Vote Count:
Banana- 3/3- Mikal, savant, moozer
Mikal- 1/3- Banana
Banana was lynched! She was…… Guilty!
Night actions within 24 hours!
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Official Vote Count:
Banana- 2/3- Mikal, savant
Mikal- 1/3- Banana
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