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@Speedrace
Ascetic gives them a counter to tracker, by having ayya carry out kills.Yep but less likely b/c of the bus
This is the logic I use when bussing, I can see how powerful it is with statements like this lol. That said, not sure it makes a difference since we can afford to mislynches. We can just lynch both today and tomorrow and its a GG.
Croc's role makes sense since it counters a night kill and my role.
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@Speedrace
I realized strengthener makes more sense as scum because it essentially turns any person into a strongman. Ascetic is an obv scum role tho as well so
Gives them a counter to the jailkeeper.
Ascetic gives them a counter to tracker, by having ayya carry out kills.
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@Speedrace
Man the condition for me to believe that ayya is scum is that they planned that bus from the beginning. Im sure he is intelligent enough to do that, but he wasnt even on for the last half of that phase so it would mean for it to be a bus they were planning on town confirming supa through lynching him. If we are willing to buy the bus theory then water is definitely confirmed town
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Pie says the person i select has to die to get a gun.
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@Speedrace
I'm sticking with my theory that the ascetic is scum I think, if your Croc theory doesn't pan out. The only time I've seen an ascetic was when it was mafia
Croc literally lied, so it's just a matter of whether we buy whatever his excuse is gonna be or not lol
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fvck I actually think speed is town confirmed. I think this has to be croc or water then.
Theres no way he could have rolecopped ayya to know he was ascetic if ayya can confirm this
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@Speedrace
I can successfully redirect a kill once. So far I haven’t deflected a kill, so np rn
I think we already did catch him in a lie tbh. He basically admitted that his role would tell him if he redirected a kill in the italicized statement. The way he phrased it this phase makes it seem like he doesn't know if he was deflected or not.
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@Crocodile
Are you saying you are not told when your ability is used?
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@Speedrace
Oh gotcha. But why would he lie about Danielle and not you?
To set you up with the claim you just made today.
I am not gonna worry about that until pie answers my question though, because we might have just caught croc in a lie.
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@Speedrace
Sir said who he rolecopped?
We know they almost definitely RCd bear since there was no reason to NK him other than him being cop
He was most likely lying but they said he all but hinted it
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@Crocodile
someone tried to kill me, i sus'd danielle and i redirected my ability to her, either someone nk'd her or someone nk'd me and redirected in back to her
Well I targeted you and didn't get a gun. I am asking pie if I still would get the gun if a kill was redirected even though I targeted the right person.
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a role cop and a town version of a rolecop? Lol no.
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Btw, speeds role might seem like it town confirms him, but literally every role on that list has been claimed except me and ayya. Danielle was probably killed because sir lied about rolecopping her and actually rolecopped ayya. They already fessed up to rolecopping me, so they knew an avenger existed. I think this could be speed, but I will give it some thought.
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I am the avenger, if I correctly choose the person who is night killed I can get a gun to shoot someone.
Np1 I targeted Danielle because she tends to die np1 alot (Switched it to greyparrot, but apparently was too late)
Np2 I targeted Water because I thought ayya was claiming results on him
NP3 I targeted Crocodile, he seemed most likely to be killed based on finding the sir wagon.
I don't know what to do here, Ayya's revelation that water is confirmed means nothing to me knowing he isn't a cop now. Croc is probably town but not gonna write him off.
No behavioral reason to sus speed except POE.
Ayya is still solid town for me.
I'm gaming today for the new BDO event, so my activity will be a bit random.
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@SirAnonymous
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Goodbye Sir, I will miss playing mafia with you. You are one of the better players here. I am sorry about my arguments with you in that theweakeredge thread, I hope that isn't any influence in you leaving.
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@MisterChris
bruh how do people get offended over this, I'm at a loss for how RM calls this "brutal gore"
It's RM. Dude gets offended over sascha baren cohen lol
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@Ayyantu
I thought you were hinting an investigative role lol
Btw were you pgo
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@SirAnonymous
I think supa went way too hard on ayya dp1. If he would have backed off my read on supa might have lessened. What sealed it for me is how he unvoted when I called him out, but then revoted when he thought I was gone and it was safe to go after again. Hell even if he would have stayed consistent and kept his vote on ayya after I called him out that would have been better. The flip flop unvote made it look like he already had his mind made up but was only unvoting because he didn't wanna look scummy, which by proxy made him look even scummier lol.
You didn't do to bad this game though, you were unlucky supa got lynched, and even more unlucky to claim that1's character. If you had a better partner you might have been able to win this. We got hella lucky dp1.
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@SirAnonymous
why did you guys target that1?
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@SirAnonymous
Unless there's a TP, yes.
Meh I dont count TP wins. But there probably is one.
How did you and supa get scum twice in a row lol
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Based on sir's comment, I am guessing town just won. So I guess danielle we can quit this discussion lol
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Lol you're calling ME defensive? I couldn't care less about End Game bravado or statistics so you must have me confused with someone else. I said "if" you believe this then you're scum. That doesn't mean you're scum. That was my nice way of saying that your logic was trash because you couldn't be dumb enough to actually believe me voting for Intel in post #70 on DP1 proves anything.
All of this continues to demonstrate you don't understand why you are a scum read and are not even trying. I even just explained it to you. And yes, you are being objectively defensive here lol.
Like I said I could say more but I don't feel the need :) The more you sus me the greater my chances of surviving the night, so you go 'head, girl! You go on witcha bad reads :)
Sometimes my reads are bad, I admit. But I am 2-0 on dp1 lynches so far. Got scum in your game in pie, and turned a quick last minute lynch on supa here dp1.
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I don't see what ayya can say here that changes the fact that we caught scum. He could suggest there was a tailor or something but not sure I would buy that since there doesn't appear to be any tampering from before. Also Sir dipped as soon as croc pointed his failure out.
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@Danielle
Lol you said the same thing about Speed being "defensive" last DP when he asked why he was scum read. Perhaps I'm not being defensive so much as pointing out your logic on Intel was really, really bad.
Considering intel didn't even try and get on to defend himself, I'd say intel takes the brunt of the blame there. His reasons for targetting bear were pretty convoluted also. I was okay with a mislynch there though, because it helps us read you. If he would have flipped scum, you would have looked town.
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Anyways, I am open to speed being the other scum too assuming the game doesn't end after siranon is lynched. I don't wanna think about it too hard until another day phase appears.
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@Danielle
If you actually believe this makes me your #1 scum read then you're scum, periodt.
Nice omgus btw. Yesterday you said I was town or third party lol. Maybe I broke the system and am all three! I guess in that circumstance you can't say you were wrong in the endgame huh? Clever.
Me voting for Intelligence on DP literally proves nothing :) I didn't push for his lynch - I voted for him in post #70 before the game even got started. Then I was absent for the majority of DP1 and posted little to nothing. I explained why I voted for him last DP and you didn't say it was odd.
Your reasons for voting intelligence aren't what was relevant here. The supa wagon happened very fast an unexpectantly near the end of the phase, scum very likely were not expecting that. I know you weren't active near the end of the phase, but what does that give us to town confirm or help your case? At least sir and speed went on supa wagon near the end (even though I appropriately called out that was an incredibly optimal time to bus, especially after the horrible claim).
Furthermore I didn't vote for him at all yesterday when he was lynched. Were you on that wagon? Cuz if you were and I wasn't, then saying Intel being town somehow implicates me definitely implicates you considering you contributed to his lynch and I did not. All I did was cast a vote for him DP1 at the beginning. Big woop. You might wanna re-think this logic :)
We are talking about day phase 1 here, not day phase 2. The read on you isn't or being wrong about a read on intel either. Pretty sure you know that though, and are being purposefully manipulative.
As a reminder I was the one saying Supa's reasoning on Ayyantu was poor (multiple times) on DP 1 so yeah, you're gonna have to do better than a "gut hunch."
I did point this out last phase if you recall. What's funny is how extreme you went here over a vote. I gave you your due dilligence last phase, and gave you cred for this.
Also noticed danielle defending ayya though the stance was an obvious one, she can get some brownie points there. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5152-the-legend-of-zelda-ocarina-of-time-mafia-dp2?page=3&post_number=62
I was voting for SirAnon last DP and made a case for him being scum. What do YOU think about that?
I remember you voting for him and asking for a claim (I did as well). When asked why he should claim you said "I have my reasons. I dunno if they're good lol why don't you ask?"
That didn't exactly ring like a case. After that you had like one short back and forth with him lol
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Danielles extremely defensive right now, part of my initial vote was looking for a reaction. This is just gold.
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@Danielle
Cool. What are your thoughts on a dead person CC'ing your buddy siranonymous?
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No need fore more claims now. Let's see if there is another day phase afetr sir is lynched
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@Crocodile
holy crap, im blind. Nice catch
unvote, vtl sir
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@Crocodile
lynch sir or you're scum
Why does that link suggest sir is scum?
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Is there any reason we shouldnt mass claim?
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@SirAnonymous
How is that out of nowhere? It was talked about near the end of last phase that danielle would be implicated if intel flipped town. I said it in my big post at the end
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@Speedrace
Danielle was implicated by being on the intelligence lynch wagon all of dp1, now that we know intel is town, we know scum had motivation to lead that mislynch over the supa lynch.
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@Speedrace
Why Dani?Also sorry but I missed the memo on why Ayyantu is town lol
So you are writing supa's behavior off as a bus during dp1? The supa lynch was last minute and kind of un-expected, so a bus as early as he was doing it, and as consistent as it was throughout the whole phase is too big brained for supa for 1. For 2, the waterphoenix issue.
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scum is somewhere in speed, danielle, sir, and croc.
In order of scummy to non scummy, my list is as follows:
1. Danielle
2. SirAnonymous
3. Speedrace
4. Croc
Most of that is gut based, though I will be doing a full re read of both phases to see if anything has changed. Sir and speed are almost equally scummy, the only reason I place sir slightly higher right now his role claim will convienently excuse him from dying for the rest of the game.
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@Ayyantu
You are literally the only one I trust to be 100% town right now. I really hope supa wasn't trying to bus you dp1.
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1. Speedrace
2. SirAnonymous- lens of truth- Orace (activated on death)
3. Lunatic
4. Danielle
5. Ayyantu
6. Crocodile
7. WaterPhoenix- Golden Ruler- Strengthener
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That was an un-expected kill.
I am starting to suspect danielle.
VTL danielle.
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Nobody could outdrink God in the local frat parties back in the day
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Basically, God was the original creator of Punk'd before Ashton Kutcher took over for the show. He thought it would be a hilarious prank to tell Abraham non ironically to kill Isaac, and last second runs out saying "You've been punk'd", this starting the "It's just a brank bro" generation of youtube.
Good times.
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@Theweakeredge
You've also been here for like 2 years, my post in forum wasn't even 2 months ago
I've also been here 2 years technically, but only started posting a little over a year ago.
I was like 3rd on the leaderboard on debate.org, I imagine i'll probably take the top here as well eventually. I am a hyper poster in mafia lol.
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