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@Greyparrot
How would you have played differently if you had wanted to win as scum?
I am not sure. The closest thing to me trying to side with scum this game was on dp3, when we were one mislynch away from winning. I was really okay with being on board just about any lynch at that point because I thought town was cucked. Part of me was hoping skittlez would flip town and the game would end, but ultimately I'm glad it went on.
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@Vader
It was a fun game, I think it was balanced fine. I think most people with the saulus role wouldn't have went so blatantly against their own team. The only reason I did it was because I told you I wanted to play town before you even sent PM's out, so I had already made up my mind. But even then I was fence sitting with it the whole game and willing to win with scum if things looked bleak for town.
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@Greyparrot
I am glad we delayed your lynch because scum might have killed you if you flipped allegiances early in the game.
Yeah I know, that was why I claimed deathproof. If I got lynched dp1, I'd be confirmed town so I wanted to scare scum away from night killing me. Turns out they knew I was their partner the whole time I guess, so it was unlikely they would have killed me even though I was blatantly hurting them.
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@ILikePie5
You would’ve been on my ass for it just like I was. You were scum. You didn’t push as hard to be lynched to confirm yourself. Town let you go even though you didn’t claim.
They let go because I said I was a good alternative to a no lynch dp1. Though why they still no lynched is beyond me. oh btw, you kept saying I should have advocated it harder, I would have. I woke up and the VTNL already happened, and all your posts about it dp2 were at like 6am for me. I was still asleep bro lol.
You know me, I always end up claiming L-1. But this was a matter of principle and town deserved to be punished for being idiotic
Town weren't being idiotic, they didn't want to waste a no lynch when I was obviously willing to be lynched both dp1 and 2.
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@Speedrace
This is what I said: "Lol remember what I told you after Drafter's game? You've only successfully scumread me twice"After Drafter's game I congratulated you for scumreading me for the first time, so this was a hint that the second time was this game and that I was scum. Bit of a stretch but I had nothing else lol
Honesly just thought you were talking sh1t there, didn't really investigate what you were saying lol.
Except you accused literally everyone except skittlez for the like XD
No, not really. My point was more that it was likely scum was hinting me with it. I did mention a theory for you liking it, but I dropped the point and admitted that accusing someone specifically was pretty flawed logic. That said I still stood behind the theory that scum was behind the like.
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@ILikePie5
Ya and it’s logical to get your ass confirmed as telling the truth especially after you didn’t even try to as hard to get confirmed. You were being lazy literally all of DP2. Not once did you say confirm me cause I can’t die. You weren’t even town lol. If you claimed Lynchproof DP1, I would’ve pushed your lynch on a matter of principle
I wasn't lazy day phase two, I was asleep most of it because our graveyard guy quit and I had to adjust my sleep schedule to make it to the shift. I was able to be active right as you got quick hammered, and we still had a day left of the phase before that happened.
"You weren't even town" I was trying to town side from dp1 lmao I kept asking to get lynched instead of no lynched bro.
The fact you didn’t showed your were scum. That’s the freakin point lol and town ignored it cause it was being moronic
I was townsiding scum! Dude your point is lost on everyone. You were too stubborn to claim and punished your team for it. Just admit it. I would have 100% claimed if I was in your spot. I had extenuating circumstances.
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@skittlez09
also i was the one who liked than later unliked the post lmao
YES MY WILD CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT I GOT MADE FUN OF FOR THAT SCUM WAS BEHIND THE LIKE WAS CORRECT.
FUCK ALL OF YOU HATERS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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@ILikePie5
Doesn’t matter what you thought in the future. The fact that you didn’t is what’s relevant here. It was a clear double standard
It is not a double standard. A dead townie is harmful to town. I don't die when lynched, this is what I claimed, you knew this. You still refused to claim at l-1. Again, if I knew I would actually die from being lynched, I would have complied.
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@Speedrace
You played as well as you possibly could. Did you get my hints? I was trying to tell you that I was scum in DP1 lolAs Saulus I would just try to find the scum team then reveal and get converted, there's no reason to not do that
I didn't notice any obvious hints, outside of your reaction to my post which made me scum read you the whole game lol
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@ILikePie5
Buddy, you didn’t claim till DP2. If you were Deathproof which is what you claimed you would have no problem claiming DP1 in your first post
I hinted twice in dp1 that I was okay with dying, and when I claimed dp2 the day phase you were lynched, you knew I was claiming lynchproof. The standards are very different because I know that my lynch won't hurt the town, where as yours inherently did. I would not have refused to claim if I wasn't able to survive a lynch. That's the difference.
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@ILikePie5
Ya survive a lynch and become town after being scum.
I was always planning on claiming saulus once lynched
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@ILikePie5
If y’all weren’t going to hold the same standard y’all gave to Lunatic to me, then y’all could go fuck yourselves for all I cared. No logical town would pass over the opportunity to confirm themselves unless they’re stupid like Croc was this game
I WAS CLAIMING LYNCHPROOF. THERE WAS NO REASON FOR ME TO CLAIM IF I KNOW I WOULD SURVIVE.
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@ILikePie5
How would we have tested croc's claim dp1 or 2, he didn't claim til dp3?
Also the reason I wasn't claiming was because I knew I'd survive a lynch. Your matter of principal thing just hurt town because you could have talked to warren and revealed the janitored role after scum tryied claiming it.
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@ILikePie5
Croc was so easy to test
If you guys would have tested him, I would have tried to quick hammer lol
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@ILikePie5
I called you being scum
I mean yeah, but I was townsiding pretty much from the beginning, until dp3 lol. Also bro why didn't you just claim at l-1!? lmao
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@Speedrace
Bruh I was MAD xDDidn't think about Saulus at all honestly. My lawyer/framer thing confused me so much so I thought it had to be related to you since I wasn't CCd
Damn bro I'm feeling guilty over here now. TBH though I was genuinely thinking town was doomed dp3 and was ready to scum side. I really thought there was a good chance we were scum winning that day phase. That was the best chance for a town loss.
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@Speedrace
He told us explicitly that you were
LMAO seriously?!
You guys must have been pissed at me the whole game then wondering what my plan was. Did you guys know or suspect I was saulus?
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@Speedrace
I was heavily thinking about claiming 1x vig and killing you early on xD
If I was night killed at any point you guys would have had a good chance at winning I think.
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@Speedrace
Did you guys think I was third scum from the beginning btw?
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@Speedrace
There was no reason for me to ask if I could manipulate sensor results lol I thought there was a cop. By the time I even thought of there being a sensor it was too late because Whiteflame revealed. Plus I was odd-night and he used it an even-night so it wouldn't have even mattered
Odd night lawyer/framer with no cop... WTF lol
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@Speedrace
Going into the next DP I thought you were scum and I was gonna be lynched, and if I was that would leave you with two confirmed townies, Croc and Chris, making you auto lose. I had to kill Chris
chris wasn't completely confirmed though, because he wasn't on pie's lynch, so the three options would be you, croc, and misterchris. I was leaning heavily towards thinking chris was the last scum. I can't say for sure I wouldn't have lynched you out of the three. But if we lynched misterchris first, which I was going to suggest I more than likely would have advocated lynching croc next after he flipped town because both those roles being town didn't make much sense to me. I am glad I was wrong about that but yeah. Not sure it would have made a difference if both whiteflame and greyparrot's were deadset on you though.
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@Speedrace
If Supa had clearly explained that we could manipulate sensor results and I could do it every night then it might have been fair but Sensor is extremely OP and without us knowing the benefits of lawyer/framer against it we couldn't do anything
Did you ask supa if you could manipulate sensor results and he just said "I cant answer" or something?
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@Speedrace
They were never gonna believe that he was popular scum at that stage, I tried pushing him and nothing happened
You may be right, but I still think you could have won dp3 very easily. And dp4 potentially if you didn't kill chris
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@Speedrace
No way anyone would lynch Chris over me lol everyone literally said he was the towniest player
I was actually the one that said he was the towniest player, but I was actually doubting that by the end of the phase. Remember when I said if misterchris is scum we are screwed? After that I was messaging supa my thoughts and actually thinking croc was town, and misterchris was scums way to counter him. I had completely 180'ed my opinion on him by that night phase lol. You killing him that night made it the easy town win though.
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@Speedrace
There was literally nothing I could do with you working against us, especially since we didn't know the role existed. Oro did the exact same thing with a similar role in one of my games which is why Saulus is a stupid role
I was playing both sides of the fence by dp3, but tbh I kind of agree that saulus is a little stupid. I was actually trying to scum side by dp3 though, the whole reason I claimed deathproof was to play both sides of the fence and feel out which side seemed more likely to win.
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@Speedrace
Another way you could have won is if you didn't kill misterchris np3. I was planning as revealing saulus next day phase, but I was suspicious of mister chris, theres a good chance that the final two mislynches would have been him and croc
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@Speedrace
Props to me for surviving till LYLO but this was impossible for scum lol
We almost actually won as scum dp3 though. If you would have pushed for croc to test his role I 100% would have quick hammered for a scum win. I was actually hoping skittlez was town and we could end the game quickly DP3. If you guys would have pushed literally anyone else dp3 you would have won
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@Speedrace
The only reason I claimed Cop was to out the real cop because I was given the lawyer and framer, so I'm really confused lol
I mean that is confusing, but I don't think you were ever FOS'ed because of your cop claim, it was always behavioral. Though you not dying as cop definitely didn't help your case.
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Vote to lynch speedy boi
If greyparrot somehow interefered with sensor results than GG, but yeah theres not much speed can really say here.
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@Speedrace
Props to you for not quitting yet lol. I'll let you make a case for grey more out of curiosity than anything
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We are just crossimg our Ts and dotting our Is at this point. I agree its probably speed but there is no escape from this for him if hes scum.
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@Greyparrot
Need you to hammer. Speed dies tomorrow and everyone's happy. Lets go.
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@Greyparrot
Town had a double voter to counter the popular scum mate.
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Dude you may he right about speed. Lynch him tomorrow. He probably closed the thread down to concede. But we lynch croc first its guaranteed win
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@Greyparrot
Hell no im not waiting for him to respond. What's he gonna say lol
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Didn't you just say popular scum was OP but will believe it if its speed wtf
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@Greyparrot
Croc claimed popular you think theres 2?!
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@Greyparrot
Your gonna lose the game for town
Lynch croc and if were wrong get speed tomorrow. We can afford it
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The conspiracy theory that scum have some game breaking lylo winning rule is too far fetched too invest in, over the potential that croc is actually scum.
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@whiteflame
My only problem with this logic is that we don't know what Speed actually is. What if he has a role that guarantees him a victory should we come down to 3? I get that Crocodile is a more likely risk, given that he's already claimed Popular, but wouldn't Speed be the more obvious choice given how he's wielded supposed Cop role throughout?
What role allows scum to win at LYLO? That is an extremely bastard role, especially with three mafia. I could have scum sided, and if town can't lynch last scum at LYLO that is extremely unfair. If speed has some wierd role like that we just chalk the loss up to bastard modding.
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That was wierd, the thread was closed down for a second?
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@Greyparrot
ugh i know the math but speed is more likely to be scum and I have never seen a game where mod made scum popular.
Town had a double voter, which is likely a counter to scum popular. That aside, if croc flips inno there is no scenario where town doesn't lynch speed tomorrow. Scum can't win.
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@Greyparrot
what kind of bastard mod makes scum popular.
It's been done plenty of times on DDO and in live mafia. I've actually done it several times myself as mod. It doesn't matter, lynch speed tomorrow. We can afford it. If croc is scum we lose if we lynch speed today though with how the math works out.
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@Greyparrot
Speed has been playing anti town all game long lets end this
Listen to post 15, speed dies tomorrow if croc is innocent. It's a win win. Theres literally no way scum wins this if you lynch croc first. Speed dies no matter what if croc is inno.
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@Speedrace
He would lose if Croc flipped inno then tho?
How?
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@whiteflame
Why should we go Croc first?
Because if crocodile is popular scum then he wins in LYLO, because if we lynch speed an another kill goes through, there are three people left, croc requires an extra vote to lynch which would need three votes instead of 2, but theres only 2 townies left at that point. Today is the last day you can kill crocodile with numbers. Speedrace can die anytime.
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Literally the only way this plan isn't gonna net us a 100% guaranteed win is if whiteflame is scum. Which would require him to have come up with sensor as a fake claim, even though sensor is a very obscure rare role. Also he is brand new, and we know skittlez is the pm partner, so skittlez would have to have helped him come up with that which is extremely unlikely. That and his sensor results have been right so far, and I have a hard time believing he would bus skittlez like that for no reason dp3 when they were so close to a win.
Honestly surprised mafia hasn't just conceded already.
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