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Oro needs to full claim. He has convienently dis-appeared.
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@Speedrace
I already knew Lunatic was Frozone (duh) and figured he was roleblocker. He claimed Jailkeeper as roleblocker during live mafia. I think that's another reason that he's scum
The fact that it was obvious I was Frozone is why I am claiming btw. If you or any competent player is scum you would have figured that one out already.
BTW when I claiemd jallkeeper in that liev mafia game, it was a huge risk that shouldn't have worked out for multiple reasons, and I fully expected to lose that game from the gambit. It was a miracle of god I wasn't counterclaimed, and the watcher results on max were dismissed. But to dismiss the possibility that there is a protective role entirely because of that instance is pretty ridiculous. I welcome any potential counter claims.
And before someone says "yoU sAId yoU hAd a cALL" the first one ended a few minutes ago and the next is at 3 est
yoU sAId yoU hAd a cALL
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@Speedrace
Huh? How is that a flaw in logic if it's used to catch scum DP1...because my whole point is that it's used to catch scum period.
Because you said that the information was best out in DP2, meaning you were suggesting lynching someone without getting a claim from them which makes no sense.
Please tell me Lunatic, where did I call Supa dumb, and where did I tell him that he's wrong for not knowing? These posts EXPLICITLY show that I was telling Supa that he shouldn't have REVEALED the theme.
Those posts are the evidence of you implying he was dumb by shaming him lol. You trying to spin it as not shaming him is silly when you are literally saying you are in the same sentence lol.
This was after I told him to look up the character and he still didn't get the theme, at which point it's perfectly reasonable to suspect him.
Except you dropped your suspicion on him even after spoon feeding the information to him, which should have made you more suspicious of him. The fact that you are still defending the idea that not knowing the theme = scum shows that you should still think it was a scum tell. The point is, that initial "supa is scum" post was contrived af to show off that you had information that others didn't as a hope to town tell yourself. Common scum tell, reminds me of how I caught bearman in naruto when he wouldn't directly admit he did something scummy lol.
No, the whole point is that town would not reveal the theme even if someone claims...if they do then welp
Then welp? So it's just a bruh moment? Then why are you still defending the initial idea that using the information would have helped you catch scum at some point? lol
Lol I seriously doubt that Oro actually thinks I town read him because I think he's bad at being scum (I don't btw). I'm like 98% sure that was a joke.
Regardless it's still ironic the two people I scum read are heavily OMGUSing, especially after one of them ranted on me for "OMGUSing" in naruto mafia recently lol.
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@oromagi
... and now you are asking for a mass role claim without even bothering to start with character claims.
You just ignored all the context of the reason I bothered asking for full claims. This dismissive omgus-y-ness is so defensive from you. I think I will just force your hand here.
I am Frozone from the incredibles, and I am a jailkeeper. Now town has two power roles out, a cop and a protective role. I am changing my polite request for your full claim into a demand that you claim, justified by the fact that town's two biggest power roles are already out now. We will start with you then speed, then danielle. Then we can decide who first between mharman and supa.
Oromagi full claim now.
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@oromagi
I am not voting on theme split, esp. since nobody else has claim animated and the choices don't look all that apt.I am voting on your behaviour.You asked for character claim.I told you that would be anti-town.You insisted.I gave you character claim.Now you want role claim.I told you that would be anti-town.You insisted.That makes you much more likely to be scum.
None of this makes sense why I would be scum. I admitted your claim if scum was big brained, if I was scum I should have backed off and unvoted immediately. The fact that I still suspect you is townie af, but of course I would say that if scum so trying to convince you would be redudant.
Additionally, your gameplay is so disruptively combative that even if you are TOWN there's some utility to your quick disposal.
Combative, because I have questions about your suspicious poem and bother to point out the flaws with it? You seem to dismiss everything I say or do as combative, or "looking for fights" which you even pre-empted when I had barely mentioned I was suspicious of you lol. Also did you already forget naruto mafia where I was equally dismissed as being aggressive? I was town there bro.
Additionally, I have asked you to help pressure Danielle for lurking and you have ignored.
Danielle will get on and participate or she will be replaced. We have 24 hours left of the day phase, I am not wasting any more of it waiting around for her. I did that yesterday during the little free time I had.
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@oromagi
I've been thinking here and let's assume were both town for a second. Shouldn't we just mass full claim, starting with me you and speed and Danielle? I'll even go first since I'm like 75% sure mafia can figure out what I am anyway. This isnt a large game and mafia have some decent POE already with having the cop out and a vanilla to narrow down from. Why don't we just turn the POE in towns favor since croc fvcked us? I think the order should go me, you, speed, Danielle to cross off the vets with the best chance of coming up with something really good then we go down the list for the rest of the more noobier town, going supa and mharman and whoever else I'm missing.
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@oromagi
I haven't dropped good guy vs. bad guy or badass vs non-badass.All 3 splits seem possible at least.
Yet your conviently gonna vote based on one of the theories directly after I point out your scummy bread crumb.
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@oromagi
wifom. Dudz had just made the SLJ connection so a couple of iconic SLJ quotes seemed appropriate.
Wifom on your side to. I'm saying you prempting further argument that you hinted being jules like 3 times instead of just 1 doesn't look any better for you thats all. Also as far as WIFOM goes your voting me because I claimed a cartoon lol.
So... you think I might be SCUM who breadcrumbed both Jules and Nick Fury (probably SLJ's two biggest roles) as fake claims in the sixth post of the game?
You could have planned the nick fury one sure though that one is the biggest stretch out of the three possibilities. I think its more likely you changed it to that after piecing together that it was likely good guys vs bad guys based on current claims. The rest of your poem serves no purpose and is kind of out there otherwise.
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@oromagi
UNVOTEVTL LunaticPerhaps the split is animated characters vs. live action?Does anybody else want to claim an animated character
You dropped your good guy vs bad guy theory pretty quick in the name of OMGUS lol
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@oromagi
My early claims need to be convincing so they try to be way more on the nose than WWJD=religious guy. But now that you bring up I should point out that I used two Jules quotes early on when we were breadcrumbing SLJ
- big brain on Brett and
- say what again
Those were not BCs and I would not have used them to bc Jules since that would be way too obvious for my style of play. Because I put those obv quotes out there, the one character you can be confident I would not claim is that one.I agree that Jules is almost certainly in the game.
What is the exact purpose of you qouting Jules then? Just getting in spirit of the game? I mean you are literally telling me these are qoutes, which I might not have figured out, but you could be telling me this in case I did figure out that you were potentially bread crumbing, and you are trying to bite the argument in the butt.
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@Danielle
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@skittlez09
@Intelligence_06
Thought on oro/speedrace?
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@oromagi
Here is an example of me using "god bless you" last month
It's not impossible for people to use the uncommon "god" predeccessing, but it doesn't change the fact that it is a convienent and pretty big line in a Samuel L Jackson starred movie. Also the line is just pretty odd in general in your poem regardless, especially if you are just using the first and second line.
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@Speedrace
Because scum knowing would require one flip and a townie to reveal it or two flips. And you wouldn't use the logic to lynch someone because this whole scenario assumes the theme wasn't revealed yet lol
You suggested the ideal situation would be for this information to come out dp2 post flip though, so obviously a flaw in the logic if we used it dp1 to lynch scum lol.
I never said Supa was dumb bruh. And I told him to look up the character to see if he had a moment of recognition, you know, like a townie would do? Instead of just lynching someone without investigating? I had to look up Ray Arnold to know he was SLJ so why would I not give Supa that same benefit of the doubt?
Post 35 and 37 heavily imply that you are shaming him for his not knowing (basically calling him dumb), right after you suggested it was scummy of him not to know the theme in post 22 lol.
Bruh what lie. I said "I dropped it because he didn't research his character." The fact that I had to TELL him to research his character means that he didn't research it in the first place, so where is the lie lol. I didn't shame him for researching, I shamed him for blatantly saying it out loud bruh.
If you are speling it out for him that way, do you think mafia is also too dumb to not figure it out? I guess in some apeball scenario where croc and skittlez are scum maybe that makes sense...
It's scummy if they looked at their character. Supa literally didn't know who acted Ray Arnold, am I supposed to just call him media illiterate?
Spelling out for him that he has to research the actor kinda gives it away, dont ya think? You following it up with "Well I guess supa is scum" and then dismissing it makes no sense to me.
I already said it would take town revealing the claim for that to happen.
Which means you were originally saying you thought it would be ideal to lynch someone before they could claim which makes even less sense if your town. lol
How is it hard to know? Oro is the most socially knowledgeable out of everyone here, of course he's gonna instantly put two and two together. You're literally the one saying town shouldn't be lazy and then when we're not, it's scummy? Bruh
Don't know what you you mean with the lazy part, but I find it ironic that you town read oro for being knowledgable, and oro thinks you town read him for being bad at scum.
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I'll explain my conspiracy theory about Oro, and why I think his soft claims are not pro-town in every case.
First of all I only buy his claim like 30%. Since I first brought up the issue with his post 6, he responded to it an hour ago. He's had an hour to come up with something that fits better if he assumed I guessed what he was initially trying to claim, so the length of time it took him to respond doesn't put my mind at ease, though is claim is clever nonetheless if he is scum so props for that. The minus the U party in FNKY seems like a stretch though.
I think oro had set himself up with 2 fake claims initially that didn't work out for him as information started to develop now, and if he actually planned the third Nick Fury one with the other 2, then oro is big brained af.
Conspiracy claim #1: He was planning on claiming Arnold from Jurrassic Park. The "god bless you" part of his poem in post 6 is a pretty big line from Jurrassic park after a dinosaur sneezes on the little boys sister. It's a line that stands out because most people say "Bless you" instead of "God bless you", so the fact that he puts in the unccomon "God" before it, seems like he was qouting the movie to later use this as a fake claim. However Skittlez posted his claim of being arnold like 20-30 seconds before he said this, so obviously if skittlez is town then oro figured out quickly he couldn't use this claim. Another possibility I was considering was that skittlez is scum with oro and mafia were given arnold as a fake claim, and maybe skittlez jumped the gun and used the claim without oro's permission at almost the same time. This is a weaker theory as it relies on a mishap in the PM (but skittlez is new and not particularly good at scum so I can see it being plausible). Oro seemed to also prepare a secondary fake claim with post 6 though in the case if this advent.
Conspiracy claim #2: "What would jesus do" part seems pretty indicative of him setting up a claim for being Jules Winnifield from Pulp Fiction, who is a religious nut. This character not being in the game would be appaling, since "BAMF" literally is on his wallet in the iconic restaurant scene in the end. It's also drafter's profile picture. This is a much riskier claim, but if mafia know that SLJ is theme, and they would since there is two scum and they can look to each others claims to verify assuming they weren't told for some reason(another reason I think it's weird speed and oro don't think mafia would have known the theme). This looked like a secondary set up for claiming what is probably his actual character in case it is revealed that it isn't a good guys vs bad guys theme. The thing that makes this theory stronger is that oro was just asking speeds opinion on if this is a good guy vs bad guy theme, which means he discarded this option as a potential fake claim after he figured out that everyone who has claimed so far, has claimed someone who is "good".
Behavioral read #3: Decrypting Intelligence's claim served no town purpose, and I'm not entirely sure he did it on purpose. He posted Intelligence's claim in a list, and then afterwards in future lists removed it as if he was town pretending to hope mafia didn't catch it or somthing (though he recently put it back on his list a few minutes ago). I think it was probably an accident that he posted that, that he was keeping an info list for his mafia partner or a personal one with town info on it. That said, if he was town and knew intelligence's claim, there was no reason for him to out him as mace windu. This was another claim he could add to his good guys vs bad guys theme deferential though, and this combined with crocs claim probably is what ultimately encouraged him away from claiming conspiracy claim #2.
It's possible that he also set up a third claim with the Nick Fury claim as well, and if he did that, props for being big brained af. It was big brained regardless for him coming up with that, though the fact that it took an hour makes it more believable that he could have just conjured that up as well.
I think oro is still likely scum, but regardless these "hints" are a disservice to town, and if he's scum he's obviously going to do these as well in a way that will set him up with fake claims, as it would be sus for him to stray from this behavior when he does it every game.
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@oromagi
Only SCUM would ask, especially immediately after I my generous concession
There are some pretty odd parts of the poem that seem like you could have been setting up multiple character claims. Can you explain the god bless you part or is it just random?
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@oromagi
I will explain the claim but I want TUF to rethink his escalating ways (unless of course TUF is SCUM in which case such j'accusing works greatly to TOWN's disadvantage)I see you are funky but with less you.I C U R (FUNKY - U=FNKY)ICUR FNKYNICK FURY
So was the rest of the poem chopped liver?
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@oromagi
Unlike you, he has picked up on the fact that I suck at playing scum.
So your not gonna claim then?
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@drafterman
Less than 24 hours remain
Would you be willing to grant a potential extension? Might not need it, but I was waiting on croc/danielle to post for most of my free time yesterday and danielle is still pretty absent.
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@Speedrace
I don't remember you saying that. And no because 1. we have like 4-5 claims already, and two because I firmly think Oro is town.
The POE is probably worth it more at this point since the cop is out. Also why do you think oro is town?
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@Speedrace
What oro did is softclaiming, breadcrumbing, not encryption
There cases my rest. Btw interesting you came to defend him claiming despite me saying I have pote goal incriminating information aboutnhos post 6. Do you not want him to claim for some reason?
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@oromagi
If you are worried about any religious claim like ANGEL or SAINT, I am not soft claiming anything religious.
That wasn't my worry and id prefer you just character claim and explain post 6 to put my mind at ease from the theories I have. I dont think a character claim is too harmful dp1 since theres only 9 players and this will be a quick game. If you can save me from potential tunnel vision and distracting the whole dp1 if I'm wrong that would be huge for all the players.
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Use of encryption or functions provided by external sites or sources is forbidden.
It doesn't seem to ostracize soft claiming, just use of external site encryption
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@oromagi
Actually you clearly said you haven't engaged in encryption this game. That means it HAS to be a soft claim. I don't think drafter has an issue with soft claiming. Also given that intelligence wasn't banned for much worse arguably, I think it's safe to say you can confirm this info oro.
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@oromagi
can you state those two problems without giving much away? As I've said in other games, the point of the early claim is to lay a mine for SCUM. TOWN should never have to worry about my early claims.
I may have to because I am impatient, though doing so would kind of give you a head start for an explanation if you are scum. I need to know if you were trying to hint towards your character or if the whole thing was an encryption. If the whole thing was encrypted, I expect to you be able to prove this. I mean drafter already knows you did it if so right?
And you haven't been kicked.
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I have 3 things on oro currently.
1 is behavioral, and 2 have do to with his hint, and the two potentially contradict each other if one or the other is right. I don't want to give oro a head start if he is scum though so I want him to explain his post 6.
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@oromagi
pls research
I have to some extent, but my opinion about my own characters badassery is subjective. I would say yes he is badass though.
I am town. If you are town you will refrain from picking fights. Help us get some feedback from Danielle.
I am not picking fights, but your post in #6 presents two real problems for me, which is why I need to know your character and how that hint aligns to your character.
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@Speedrace
Why don't you just...research the character
I have googled my character, but you realize coming to a conclusion about badassery is pretty relative. I think my character is BAMF personally but he is an animated character in a disney cartoon, so I am not sure if that brings it down a notch lol.
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@oromagi
Not very confident there. Should I be worried about your level of badasserry?
Im not sure if I've seen my movie, and if I have I don't remember if the character was BAMF, but the pic looks like he kind of is.
Drafter reminded us that he has a rule vs. encryption and while I haven't engaged in any encryption this game, I'm not sure what the spirit of the law might allow. Therefore, no comment.
Okay, so is speed your scum buddy or cookie?
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@Speedrace
Even if they claim then town would have to reveal it
Exactly, so why would you think this "sacred cow of information" wouldn't come out until after a flip in dp2? Also assuming you would use this logic to lynch someone, as you are implying we should have before supa "fvcked it up" then it would have been obvious at the point said person was lynched...
And incredulous because he revealed the theme? Why is that weird?
Cuz you just got done trying to make the point that he was dumb for not getting it, manipulating him into outting his guess of the theme. What did you expect from him? Also it wasn't his character that drove that conclusion, oro asked if he had a moment of recognition and you rold him to look up the character remember? Why do that if you thought not knowing the theme would help you get a lynch?
And I dropped it because he simply didn't research his character, I also didn't know mine was SLJ until I researched it so I couldn't blame him for that.
So... you made him seem like an idiot for not having information that everyone else also didn't have? Also this is a bold faced lie, because you told him to look up the character. Why do that then immediately shame him for doing it and putting two and two together?
What do you mean by didn't mention the thing this entire conversation was spurred off of?
You still maintain that we could have used this information to catch scum on. Supa didn't know the theme until it was handfisted down his throat, so naturally that should make him look suspicious to you under the philosophy that mafia not knowing the theme = suspicious, but you never mentioned it again. Yet you still defend to me your original idea that it is scummy for someone not to know the theme.
As you just said they would've claimed so it wouldn't have mattered
This shows hypocrisy in the idea that the theme wouldn't have been revealed until dp2.
And so you think several people are scum? Lol that doesn't make sense. If I researched my character then saw that skittlez's character was played by the same actor, I'm supposed to not put two and two together?
Maybe you did put two and two together. Or maybe it was inside info, hard to know exactly. Current theory is scum team is you and oro, or smaller chance of it being oro/cookie, but I need oro to answer my question first.
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@oromagi
I would say my role is badass I suppose.
BTW, can you confirm if post 6 made by you was some sort of hint about you character as per usual, or were you just making a random poem?
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@Speedrace
Even if we lynched DP1, they wouldn't flip until DP2. And then if there wasn't a successful kill and no town revealed the theme DP2, scum wouldn't be able to put it together until DP3
But you would assume the person lynched dp1 would have claimed first before being lynched right? You were insinuating supa was scum in post 22 for not knowing the theme then acted all incredulous after he realized what it was. Then when supa asks what the theme is you drop it and make it seem like a "bruh" moment. Is supa scummy or not for not knowing the theme? You gave him a slight scum for not pressuring croc, but didn't mention the thing that this entire conversation was spurred off of lol.
I'm not sure what you mean by we could've hurt town with it...? And I didn't either, I had to look up my character.
By hurt town, I mean used said information of them not knowing the theme against them. Speaking of it seems interesting how several people just picked that up from their own PM, it almost seems more likely that SLJ being the theme was insinde knowledge.
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@Speedrace
Until DP2/3 after people die
That would assume we did nothing day phase 1 and didn't pressure anyone lol.
Because if scum don't have SLJ roles, they immediately know not to claim their real roles. They might've been caught had they not known
Or we could have hurt town with it as in crocs case lol. TBH I didn't know the theme was SLJ related immediately from my character until you guys mentioned it and I researched my character and realized they were SLJ related.
Do you have any reads currently?
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@Speedrace
I was saying that I assumed the mafia doesn't know the theme
Why? Alsio how long did you expect that would last? I mean we would have to push for claims eventually.
I wasn't saying that it wouldn't come to light, I was saying not to instantly reveal it lol
What's the harm of it?
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@Crocodile
i just searched him up and it said he was portrayed by richard roundtree.idk who that is but i assumed he wasn't played by sljnow i full claimed for nothing
Dude... If you weren't lazy for like 2-3 minutes you could have avoided this. I expected you were probably SLJ and just didn't bother to look into it thoroughly enough. You gotta stop with that man lol. Why bother playing if researching your character for like 3 minutes its too much! I just don't get what you get out of this game lol.
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@Intelligence_06
A balanced mafia game with 9 players usually has 2 mafia. So regardless of whether Croc being dead or not, we will have at least one more mafia here. How about discuss them and move on?
As the one suggesting the idea, who is the "them" you would like to discuss and why?
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@Crocodile
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inb4 miller "because im not SLJ" but decided not to claim miller first thing for some reason.
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@Speedrace
I would believe literally anyone except for Croc. He was my partner once and I know just how bad he is as scum lol
He barely bothered to read his role PM in naruto, if he is town and gets lynched here and it turns out he actually is voice acted by SLJ or something I am gonna roll my eyes like "yep" sounds like croc.
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@Crocodile
You should probably go ahead and claim at this point.
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@Crocodile
No, he isn't played or voiced by Samuel L jackson.
Considering how well you read your role PM in Naruto, I am suspicious about whether you are missing something but oh well I guess someone else will at some point confirm if there are no other samuels.
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@Crocodile
Yea, Im not slj btw. so that's what i was thinking.
Your character isn't played my Samuel L jackson, or voice acted by him?
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