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@Barney
We'll have to eventually...VTL Skittlez.
Are you suggesting a policy lynch on him for being a miller?
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Well we have 3 claims in day one. This gives mafia a lot of POE to work with. Not even sure what to do at this point. No one likes VTNL's but if we pressure someone else and they end up claiming something we believe it just narrows down the pool for scum finding power roles further.
I am leaning a VTNL, of course we can use up the rest of the time in the phase, and I am open to hearing arguments against it.
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@Vader
It is annoying. We're obviously going to be the NK targets so we're gonna go down 2, but he was going to be the lynch candidate and it's better to potential hunt a scum in DP1 versus 3 dead town
I mean not neccesarily. I just wanted him to explain his behavior. I think claiming should have been a bit more last resort than than.
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Intelligence is indeed being a bit scummy. I haven't seen him play scum before so kind of just have to judge him by his actions here.
VTL intelligence.
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@Intelligence_06
or the mod, ya know, made a mistake. lol
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intelligence was a clear cut bandwagon I think, supa claims his reads were his own, but he also mentioned he scum read skittlez who convienently already had two votes on him and supa had just said that we should take into account that there is no theme difference (the exact thing that makes skittles look most town ironically).
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@drafterman
But there are some things we can't discount, but I think it is more important to see who latched onto the wagon and why. Did they come up with independent reasoning or just go, "Sure".
So how do supa and intelligence fit into this for you?
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@drafterman
It does, so it's a shame that I basically have to rather than you recognizing it as a seasoned player. But it has also pretty much served it's purpose as plenty have reacted and responded. I see a lot to work with in this phase so far.
Idk, you are kind of hard to read. I know you've done reaction testing in the past, but I also have seen you latch on to simple things and stick with them for an entire phase. I didn't scum read it, but if I see flawed logic I will call it out.
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@drafterman
I anticipated such a response and I doubt you'll find anything convincing in my wagon. Yet I think you can agree that even if the wagon itself has no merit that you can find value in the activity it has generated. How people argue for or against a given wagon can be telling.
So is this mostly a reaction test for the other players? I mean I figured it was more of a light scum read and you were just pressuring him for responses and would eventually unvote him. Do you actually want him lynched as collateral damage to see who wagons you mindlessly? Doesn't admitting that kind of ruin the point of it?
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@Speedrace
Breadcrumbing is not allowed
Thank god, now I don't have to over analyze oro's potential triple claims lol
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@drafterman
They would claim miller for the exact reason of your retort: to claim that mafia would never claim miller therefore you aren't mafia. It's called WIFOM. And generally speaking it isn't a scumming role because most players accept it as face value.
Besides the time I claimed miller and got instantly CC'ed (yet still some how managed to pull it off for some reason) when is the last time you have seen someone on dart claim miller when they were scum? It's literally one of the ballsiest things to fake as scum, because most games tend to have them and it assumes there is a cop as a prime investigative role so there's a million ways it can backfire.
All that aside, skittlez isn't big brained enough to pull off a dp1 miller claim. He is kind of like a more mild version of grey parrot, and frequently claims pretty early. I'll reconsider if he starts acting behaviorally scummy, but I do not see enough merit to lynch him because his description seems a little weird. And if it's because his character is "bad" we should discount that immediately, as the mod said there isn't a theme split.
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As far as the conversation concerning drawing conclusions about roles go, I agree for the most part. That said, I think you have to take in context who the mod is and what their experience level in modding is. For example, drafter is an experienced mod, and I'd be likely to assume he wouldn't put more than one protective role in a smaller game like this, which is why I assumed I was basically the un CC'ed protection this game and why I was a bit baffled that supa wasn't lynched earlier after claiming doc dp2.
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@drafterman
I think each has their place. Role madness is swinging and harder to play, but then again, who wants to be vanilla?
Right, that's why I am asking. I noticed the vanillas roles in my last game were pretty inactive. Pie for example is usually a bit more vocal when he has a power role or is scum, and he was vanilla and was pretty quiet in my last game.
As much as I prefer playing in less crazy games myself, I hate modding dead games so I am trying to get a feel for what people prefer. I ask this question every so often as the player base changes and I think it's relevant again since we got a new batch of players. I don't mind modding swingy games, but the problem with them I've noticed is they can end really quickly and brutally for one team and I always feel like crap when that happens but it's a bit unpredictable.
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Which on balance do you prefer? Would you prefer a game that's more balance focused with several vanillas, or would you prefer something where every player has a role and mafia have super strong counters to them?
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@drafterman
I reached out to him on discord, he said he will start it monday since he is in the process of moving.
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Current Mafia
Signups
Speedrace - Arrowverse
In the Hopper
Bullish - technology mafia
RM- Pirates of the carribean
Lunatic- Ultimate Weeabu Universe (UwU Anime mafia)
SupaDudz - Danny Phantom, Avatar The Last Airbender, My Hero Academia
Bear- Bad Mod
ILikePie5 - The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time
Mharman - Voting: Stage 1
drafterman - Paranoia
On Hold
zaradi, Virtuoso, danielle, PressF4Respect, crocodile
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@Danielle
@Barney
@MisterChris
@SirAnonymous
bump
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Current Mafia
Signups
Speedrace - Arrowverse
In the Hopper
Bullish - technology mafia
RM- Pirates of the carribean
Lunatic
SupaDudz - Danny Phantom, Avatar The Last Airbender, My Hero Academia
Bear- Bad Mod
ILikePie5 - The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time
Mharman - Voting: Stage 1
drafterman - Paranoia
On Hold
zaradi, Virtuoso, danielle, PressF4Respect, crocodile
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@Vader
The music I felt played in the background after I ignited: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=fPO76Jlnz6c&app=desktop
lmao*
this was the post I meant to laugh at
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@Vader
I was an arsonist. I primed you in the night and then I ignited you during the day along with Mhar and skittlez
lmao
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@oromagi
I was really hoping you were gonna lynch supa dp2 lol. When drafter told me he was arsonist, I was like fuh, mafia have a really good chance here. It seemed obvious since supa didn't understand how jailkeeper works that he accidentally CC'ed himself with my dead body that he should have been scum lol. I mean you did lynch speed succesfully, but I worried that the supa vs speed interaction would make supa look better. I guess it worked out for him lol
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Still, glad I died np1. I was starting to town lean speedrace (I thought there was no way speed OMGUS's this hard as scum, it felt like our town v town exchange in naruto) and I don't think my suspicions of oro would have gone away after he claimed resurector lol.
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Yeah figured this would happen lol.
Danielle and crocs lynch were a bit silly. You all were passing croc as confirmed town day phase 1, the only thing that changed that was his inactivity lol. And danielle would have been active. She apparently checked the day phase right after it ended. RIP.
Not sure what croc gets out of these games either, he shouldn't be signing up for them if he won't play.
GG.
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Danielle will be active at some point or drafter will replace her. Lynching her is kind of pointless. She goes through spurts of activity and inactivity when she plays but when she gets on she always posts content. I wouldn't recommend lynching her unless you have something on her.
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@Speedrace
Relax, Mr. happy-to-lynch-anyone-so-we-can-ignore-his-scummy-behavior, were not lynching Danielle or myself based on nothing.
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@Intelligence_06
I wish I can vote in the USA
Granted, but then you realize like most Americans do at some point, that your vote is pointless and who wins is determined by factors outside of our control.
I wish I was the president!
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@Intelligence_06
But that is no corruption at all. Now this 1 dollar is equivalent to like millions of dollars before, meaning I could trade valuable things with it.Your next line is, "Goddammit", right?
Nothing to spend that dollar on anymore if almost all of society just up and left! Your better off burning that dollar as fuel for a fire for heat haha
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@Intelligence_06
I wish I am the richest 1% of the nation
Granted, you are because of the other 99% of the nation die but burn all their money before they do... Your one dollar really means a lot now ;-)
I wish I could eat whatever I wanted an never gain weight.
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@Intelligence_06
I wish I am immune to any diseases in my lifetime
Granted, you are cured of all dieases, included death. Yes, you cannot die. You are immortal. You may think this isn't a curse at first, but you soon will bore of this life and long for death. You'll watch countless wives and children die over the years, and you'll be present for earth's major exstintion event, leaving you lonely and desperate for death. Also you can still feel pain and will suffer even if injuries don't result in death.
I wish I was a faster reader.
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@Danielle
I know you've got a million pings, but here's hoping this one brings you into the game lol. could use more input with 24 hours left.
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@Mharman
Guys I'm not going to be able to post anything substantial until tomorrow. College stuff.
That sucks. Day phase ends tomorrow.
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@Speedrace
I already told you that there are more reasons than just that that I'm voting you but ok. Anyway it's useless to try to convince you that you're scum lol
You probably couldn't convince me I am scum when I know I am town yes, but if you end up convincing anyone I'd be equally surprised. Your case amounts to "TUF is aggressively pushing for claims" (which was well substantied why and not responded to), and conjecture that I am a roleblocker and there is no protective role in the game. I mean there are a lot of noobs in the game so I guess maybe I shouldn't be surprised if any of them are convinced of that weak @ss case. I guess I'd be most surprised if you were town and ended up pushing all that. Especially after Naruto.
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@Speedrace
Again you ignored the part about "how often aren't there protective roles". You can go out on a limb and try making an argument that mod provided us that as info, but that is assuming a lot to push your "roleblock" narrative.
If you're a roleblocker then you're not gonna get caught lying lol. You "LITERALLY" roleblocked Max and town "LITERALLY" believed you jailkept him lol. There might be another protective role but I don't think that confirms you as town or scum.
I never said me roleblocking someone is proof that I am a jailkeeper though, just that I can prove my role. This same issue would have come up regardless of when I claimed anyway, which is another reason I don't care about claiming, it seems better used to narrow down scum with POE now that the cop is out anyway. If your voting me because you think I am a roleblocker and just dismissing that there could ever be a real Lunatic Jailkeeper again because he fake claimed it in one live mafia game, then you are being pretty ridiculous.
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@Intelligence_06
Broh how did u do the half-line quotation block thing
Well it was an accident, trying to qoute speed on my phone, and it was too much of a pain in the butt to erase so I left it
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@Speedrace
I said you would waive the NK, not the jailkeep lol. And assuming this is literally me looking at your past behavior in mafia games. I as town have no way to know whether you actually jailkeep someone. You can't confirm yourself.
How often are you assuming there isn't a protection role in mafia? You can't ignore that. If you think I am fake claiming that's a huge risk that I won't be CC'ed or that my results won't end up in a 1 v 1 that result in my inevitable town gain. Not to mention the possibility of being caught lying against other trackers and wacthers which is LITERALLY what happened in that live mafia game that you referenced where I should have been lynched. Literally all you have to do is be smarter than the town in that game to win, there was two big points that should have resulted in my death in that game that town neglected to look into. That is much easier to do as scum in a time limited live mafia game then a full fledged forum game.
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@Speedrace
You scum read Oro for "having insider info" when it's clear why he knew what he knew, want to out all roles, tried to out someone you KNEW probably had a power role, and claimed a role usually claimed by scum. And you can just waive the kill like you did in live mafia :|
I scum read oro for the wierd set up of his poems which could potentially be softing 3 different characters either of which makes the other two lines look wierd af and random.
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@Speedrace
You scum read Oro for "having insider info" when it's clear why he knew what he knew, want to out all roles, tried to out someone you KNEW probably had a power role, and claimed a role usually claimed by scum. And you can just waive the kill like you did in live mafia :|
If you are scum, what you are trying to do here is clever however poorly executed. Assuming I would waive the jailkeep suggests that you have some role to counter jailkeep, maybe a roleblock of your own so if I say I was roleblocked you can be like "see look told you he would just waive it and claim to protect someone". Btw if I waive it that would only be sus in a lylo situation. Since if I do that before all it would result in is a 1 v 1 for town and mafia which ultimately benefits the town. No as I stated before, the only motive someone would have to lynch me today before I can prove myself is id they were mafia and know I'm not lying lol. Because now scum has to deal with deciding to night kill, block me (if they have one) and or kill croc.
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@Speedrace
Instantly? One, I scum read you before you claimed and two, you can't prove your claim at all.
You never explained you scum read on me, thus I am left to assume it's omgus. And I can 100% prove my claim why wouldn't I be able to lol?
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@oromagi
However, I am not adverse to more, even mass character claims, particularly since TUF seems to want to skip them.
Nope, I want both characters and roles, don't twist my intentions lol. Makes no sense I would be asking for just roles. I am asking you specifically for your role since you've already character claimed.
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@Speedrace
If you thought Oro was Nick Fury, you didn't think for one second that he might possibly have a power role?
Not when I know I am a town's protective role and the cop is already outted. This is a nine plaeyr game, so balance isn't going to be too crazy, and we already have a vanilla claim out. My need to hunt scum outweighs my worry for outting some potential dumb watcher or tracker, and if he's anything less than that I care even less.
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@oromagi
TUF's claim is at least watchable. His demeanor, while anti-town, is not necessarily indicative. His demands for ROLES is profoundly scummy and should be ignored by TOWN.However, I am not adverse to more, even mass character claims, particularly since TUF seems to want to skip them.
When I think of town power roles, the two biggest that come to mind are doctor, and cop. Jailkeeper =/= semi anti town doctor. Both main power roles are out, there is literally no reason not to mass claim. Turn mafia's POE into TOWN's POE. Croc forced us into this postion, so we turn it into a positive.
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@Vader
But how do you know mafia doesn't know the theme?
+1 lol Finally someone else says it, speed over here driving me crazy that he isn't getting it.
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@Speedrace
Doesn't mean you wouldn't try it again with pressure on you.
Two omgus votes isn't significant pressure to scare me. I was planning on claiming as soon as I noticed oro's suspicious poem. It's why I said I may not be patient enough to wait for him to reveal it, since waiting game him plenty of time to craft that "Funky" third claim from the poem. I was gonna out myself earlier to force his hand into claiming since both major town power roles would have been out, and we need to flip the POE in towns favor.
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@Speedrace
Just because it's best out DP2 doesn't mean it *will* be out DP2, one, and two, I literally already said that depends on town not revealing the theme bruh
Okay "bruh" so you pretended to make a big deal about something you admit was likely to happen, why did you contrive this information like it was suspicious then? lol.
And you have yet to show where I shamed him for not knowing the theme :|
Literally those two posts, 35 and 37 lol. Just because you acknowledged them doesn't change what they were lol.
I should have been more suspicious of him for making a mistake that I would've made had I not researched my character? That's literally anti-town to scum read him while knowing that it probably was a mistake from personal experience. And why would I try to "show off" that when I had already revealed that info in an earlier post? Like what?
YOU ARE LITERALLY STILL HERE AND DEFENDING THAT MAFIA NOT KNOWING THE THEME = SCUM. So yes by your OWN standards, you should scum read supa, unless your initial motive was again contrived to make you look like you had information that should make you look town lol.
If it doesn't work then it doesn't work, it's not a guaranteed method.
So then are you finally admitting that acting surprised by his reaction was ridiculous? If so then why are you defending your initial reaction so hard?!
OMGUSing is voting someone simply because they voted you. That's not what is happening right now
Feel free to explain your read at any point then lol. BTW it's also not what happened in Naruto mafia lol.
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@Speedrace
The fact that you are instantly dismissing me is scummy af btw lol. I can easily prove my role (but that isn't ideal for mafia), lynching me would be better for them. Save them from having to night kill the jailer, which subsequently looks bad for you and oro. Tsk tsk speed, gonna have to try harder than that. The win/win here is that even if by some miracle you can mislynch me, if town is competent past day phase 1 and looks into the Versus interactions here, you are likely to be looked into pretty closely unless you got some rock solid fake claim.
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