Lunatic

Someone hasn't looked at the page number in a few hours.

That's what he wants to spend his 2.5 days on. These are his golden nuggets.

At no point did I suggest you, or anyone, "quickly bandwagon any lynch that occurs."

So you can link where I said this or retract it as a misrepresentation of my position.

I'm using all the information available to develop reads and decide on courses of action. I'm not inclined to share all of the inner thought processes that lead from one to the other. I think any lynch except my own is preferable than a no lynch.

But no, I'm not inclined to explain to you how I'm using any information to do anything.

Lunatic - "I suck at this game"

By contrast, I don't suck at this game. So, factor that in in deciding whose theories garner more merit.

That isn't what I suggest is better gameplay. I really don't know what you think you get by so transparently misrepresenting my position. I mean, it's one thing if you think so low of other people that they'll be fooled by it, but the idea that you think you're going to trick me into believing your mischaracterization of what I believe - I don't even know why you try.

And I got it. And now I'm acting on it. That's the point of getting information after all. Not to treasure it and put it in a chest. But to actually, you know, use it and play the game.

When are you going to start playing?

How exactly are you using the information from the reaction test by voting for skittlez lol. I mean you pointed out that you thought intelligence was scummy but dropped that and are now back on skittlez because it's the most convienent lynch for you.

Maybe if I play for twenty years and work hard on improving. The level of behavioral analysis required to do that is well beyond me

I agree that the argument has run it's course. Ping me when these gold nuggets of yours start flowing.

Heh. I don't think I'm ever going to be in a list like that.

This is false.  They could both be SCUM taking a big risk. 

You're clogging up the DP with this argument. It isn't productive.

Except that is you making up lies about my motivations. I'm simply pointing out your motivation based on your own words.

And I got it. And now I'm acting on it. That's the point of getting information after all. Not to treasure it and put it in a chest. But to actually, you know, use it and play the game.

When are you going to start playing?

There's your problem right there. You think the entire game is just this day phase. It isn't. There are more, I assure you. I hope we get to see it before I start collecting social security.

You say this, but the solution would be to actually bring more information or a fresh spin to old arguments. You haven't done either.

Actually that's false. And if it was true, you said you don't want that to happen: "ousting more information is probably harmful at this point"

All of this is good in theory but it fails in practice. History shows that scum will simply fade into the background and let town tunnel in on each other. Why you suddenly have goldfish memory about this is beyond me.

When you start posting gold, you'll have me convinced.

If LOVERS are both TOWN and my statement of the obvious does not change SCUM's mind to kill the LOVERs than my statement had no impact.

If LOVERS are both TOWN and my statement of the obvious changes SCUM's mind and LOVERs survive, then I have done TOWN a favor.

If LOVERs are not both TOWN (as I suspect) then I have increased the likelihood that they'll be monitored.

As Emerson said,  a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.  I never feel beholden to prior analysis in the face of good evidence to the contrary. 

If LOVERS survive, we can hope some role verifies them .  If LOVERS die, we can hope some role has evidence. Every alternative is WiFoM at this point, I just want TOWN to go forward  with a wary eye on the LOVERS claim.  You don't, apparently, for reasons you fail to explain.  Why do you believe the LOVERS when we agree that their claim is anti-TOWN?

I enjoy hunting scum and getting them lynched. Not virtually banging my head against a wall with people who want to waste days of everyone else's lives because it personally amuses them. You realize that in most settings, this is a rather quick party game, right? You play live mafia. Do those games take literal days to play? No. The entire game is over in a few hours at most. That's because it all happens in real-time.

And that's my point. The ONLY reason these forum games take multiple days is because of logistical reason involving player activity and input. It is a necessary deviation from the ideal. If we can get closer to that ideal with high activity, then all the better! Seize the opportunity!

So as long as everyone jumps in the game says "Hi and bye" we should just random lynch every day phase because everyones "weighed in"?

No, that isn't anywhere close to anything I've said.

The majority of the posts so far have been non constructive for reads.

Then get better at reading, I guess. No sense in wasting everyone else's time because you can't read. Besides, you're position is that lynches are mostly random anyway, right?

No, the longer the phase goes on, the less interested people will get. People having arguments will tunnel on each other. People outside those arguments will get bored of reading them. Longer phases are just generally worse for everyone involved except maf.

Right, which is why it is an opportune time to lynch, have a night phase and come back to the next day phase with fresh information. Why you would want to force the DP to be longer until it reaches the point where people are talking in circles is beyond me.

Ok, so then just say that. You want to stall and slow roll the game because it personally amuses you. At least be honest about your motivations.

Lol, so you don't want more information to be ousted? E.g. "all the information that we are going to get has already been gotten"

So if you don't want any new information to come to light, what exactly do you expect to come from 2.5 of everyone's lives, other than your own self-enjoyment?

You're beginning to win me over. Unless someone claims, which would likely be bad, or someone gives off an obvious scum tell, which I doubt will happen, I doubt we'll get any more useful info to help us decide on this DP's lynch.

Seriously, your decision to make best use of this DP is to rehash an argument we've had before (always resulting in impasse). You have nothing new to bring to the table, what the hell do you need 2.5 days for to do, exactly?

We've had this argument dozens of times. Do you really think having it again is going to change anyone's position? Having multiple RL days is for meta logistical purposes so every player has adequate chance to weigh in. We've had that. Everyone has weighed in. So let's act. This isn't "rushing", it's playing the damn game.

There is literally nothing to be gained by waiting. Everyone has chimed in. Unless someone has a day phase roke and is going to produce results then all the information that we are going to get has already been gotten. From here on out people are just going to repeat themselves (like I already am) and talk in circles.

There is nothing to be gained by waiting until the very last second to decide except to clog up the thread with redundant posts and make people bored.

Like why have a VTNL option at all? Just let the day phase time out. Lynch or get off the pot.

Here we  strongly disagree.  I am of the opinion that TOWN should be able to state very, very obvious things without arousing accusations that we are giving shit away to SCUM.  SCUM is always smarter than TOWN.  TOWN has to operate in a more  open-handed fashion, making sure the rest of TOWN is on the same page.  

so we agree that lynching MILLER or LOVER doesn't make much sense.   You don't think either LOVER is lying, I think one of the two probably is but neither of has evidence.  I have explained my suspicions but  you have not explained your confidence.

We agree that Supa's claim was profoundly anti-TOWN.  I have let this suspicious behavior inform my choices.  You have not explained why you still think Supa is likely TOWN in spite of his anti-TOWN move.

I have explained that if Intel and Supa are merely bumbling town, then the likelihood of NK on them is extremely high.  Therefore, if they don't die my suspicion on them increases.  You say that's scummy but I just the call that the obvious consequence of claiming LOVER early.  

You chastise yourself for not suggesting an alternative and then fail to suggest an alternative.  Great.

I call that type of thing anti-town, no matter how much it annoys some people. If town, it gives Mafia ideas, and helps them mislynch the speaker for trying to build a case ahead of time. If mafia, it tries to build town cred.

Either way, it's a public declaration of intellect, when a better thinker would more likely keep their mouth shut about it.

If the LOVERS survive NP1, I'm going to have a hard time reading them as TOWN.

They may or may not be in drafter's list

And by maybe I mean yes lol

If you had to lynch someone RN, who would you lynch?

We've had a few arguments. We'll get there.

This game is more like mafia as I remember it. Having drafter and Lunatic really helps.

He's evil but with a heart of gold, doesn't hold to me since we can have villains be town and still be investigated as town. Further, the character isn't misunderstood, he went on a murder spree over being friend zoned by his ex; that people don't like him for that, doesn't mean he's misunderstood, it means he wants to whine about the consequences of people understanding him all too well.

It's funny to say that hammering someone is scummy when the primary tool of town to oust scum is [drum roll] hammering them.

It's like saying using the Mafia Night Kill to kill townies is anti-Mafia.

No, even while acknowledging a miller will automatically be suspect throughout the game, so should not be sent into the final rounds (if it came down to 3 players, and one is a miller, we've probably lost).

Mainly his role claim justification doesn't feel right on a game without a theme split.