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Hmm... Bulletproof is not commonly town. When it's been claimed in live mafia, it's been a fake claim. It's most commonly 3rd party.
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@MisterChris
Well, both your role and Sir's were vigilantes. I was a cop in the show
Oh vigilante like a super hero, I thought he was talking about the role vigilante.
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@MisterChris
vigilantes
Yeah but where is he getting that?
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My top lynch candidate for the day I think is Oro. I don't understand his motivations with pressing the lovers to gambit save them for one phase, when really all it did was sacrifice potential investigative roles. I also don't buy that his motivation was actually to save the lovers for a phase, his analysis last day phase was too in depth about the lovers to simply pass it off as a gambit.
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@oromagi
So I claimed an apparent investigative role (X-ray vision) hoping to attract the hit. And losing 2/7 TOWN is a definite big loss vs. a less certain hit on investigative role.
I mean I agree, but what do? Supa claiming means they will die at some point, but they don't have an investigate role so them dying would have been better np1 than a cop or watcher objectively.
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@oromagi
SO it looks like BATGIRL and BATWOMAN are two distinct characters in Arrowverse.Batgirl was Barbara Gordon before she was paralyzed and became Oracle.Batwoman has her own show.Which are you claiming?
My role PM said bat girl. Speed has informed me that I am actually batwoman. Read post 158.
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@oromagi
me: I assumed there was some info roleTUF: So you didn't think there was a cop or any other power role either?me: ?
No I am pointing out the flaw in logic regarding your motives with the lover. You claim that you didn't actually scum read them and your intention was to save them from being killed for one night phase. That makes the alternative worse, as the mafia had POE to work with on investigative roles. It would have been better if the lovers would have died over a potential cop and or watcher or whatever else investigative roles town have. You chose the worse alternative if you are town, and I want to know why you thought protecting the lovers for one night phase was a better alternative.
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@Barney
Fake, not a character on those shows.VTL Lunatic
Why would I have changed it to batgirl of my own accord? If you are assuming I am mafia because my character says girl instead of woman, wouldn't make more sense that I would say woman, as if I were scum I'd have looked up the fake claim? Also if my PM really did say woman I would just admit that I made a mistake. The fact that I am not doing that means I am really dumb as scum or am telling the truth.
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@oromagi
Yeah but I didn't know there was a WATCHER and why would it be better to lose 2 TOWN votes DP1? I assumed there was some info role but what & where unknown. I just hoped for better info DP2.
So you didn't think there was a cop or any other power role either?
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@oromagi
hmmm... It looks to me like Ruby Rose is known as batwoman in the Arrowverse, not batgirl.Ragnar or other Arrow fans need to advise. Is Batwoman ever called Batgirl in the arrowverse? Would speed submit the PM as batgirl or definitiely batwoman?
Why would I have changed the PM from girl to woman? Makes no sense. That's how speed wrote it in my pm.
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@SirAnonymous
Wait a minute - didn't you write up a detailed post last DP about why they might not have the same affiliation, even though they had already claimed their PMs say they're both town? Why the change in tune?
He's trying to spin all that as a gambit to keep them alive for one phase lol wtf
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@MisterChris
I would still very much like to hear your character claim.
He claimed supergirl
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@oromagi
I never did. Both claim that Speed PM gave "you are both TOWN." So half/half wasn't ever really an option. They are both TOWN or BOTH SCUM. The idea that the game could end with a single lucky lynch DP1 never seemed very likely so I read them as both TOWN but I wanted to give SCUM a reason to keep them alive.
I mean revealing that now doesn't stop them from being killed ya know np2 lol. If they were going to be killed regardless, wouldn't it have been best for that to have happened np1 instead of the watcher? Your motives make no sense.
I know why Sir and Mister are withholding their character claims but I don't know why you are.
I just barely got on for one. For two, no one once asked me for a character claim lol. I am batgirl.
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@oromagi
Do you still scum read the lovers for surviving?
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@oromagi
Didn't you say you scared off that1user a few games back?
Yes. I tried to reach out to her though. She never responded :/
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@Vader
lol okay. well I am gonna change the subject now, I don't wanna linger the whole phase on this. I am shocked that anyone would be offended by me enough to leave the site. I feel pretty guilty about it. I wouldn't have said half of what I did if I knew he would block me and leave over it, but I thought he could take a good hearty argument.
Anyways... I am conflicted here. I was really banking on results last phase and we have none. I still think the lover pair was town, but that's mostly because I think mafia were leaving you alive for a mislynch after the lengthy discussion of it last phase. Oro has explained his reasons for why he said that and they feel kind of genuine, but I am sure he could spin it that way as scum. I think I should probably weigh the situation better when I am sober. I am not discounting chris or sir either. Chris feels really town to me, and sir is hard to read in general. Drafter felt scummy to me too, so Ragnar isn't out of the question. I think my focus is on one of those four this phase.
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The messed up thing is that there was an actual in game reason behind most of my arguments against him last phase. I'll explain when it becomes necessary, but I don't actually care as much as he thinks I do about VNTL's vs lynches.
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@oromagi
My theory is that Drafter was signaling TUF in-game and TUF was misinterpreting as out-game rancor
No, I asked in the mod discord how bans work, because I genuinely don't know. I was curious if drafter was ignoring me or actually couldn't see my post where I was asking him to unblock me. He reported me because he thought that counted as "out of game talk", though I was genuinely curious about how blocks work. I've never been blocked so I had no idea.
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@Vader
Uhh why do you and drafterman have beef again?
Idk I don't treat meta disagreements as beef.
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@Speedrace
drafterman is being replaced. Please give me a bit to find his replacement
I was about to replace out thank god
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@MisterChris
ok. So Intelligence and SupaDudz both survive. Mafia either decided to pass out on a free 2 kill or they ARE mafia.
After that information was publicly outted by oro I think that was the most logical move for mafia honestly lol. If I was scum I would have left them alive.
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Here's a good rule of thumb for understanding lynch majorities. When you have an even number of players, talk half the number of players and add one or a majority lynch. For odd numbers, split it and choose the bigger number. For example 13 doesnt split evenly so the closest you can split it is 7+6. Lynch majority is seven.
7/13, 7/12, 6/11, 6/10, 5/9, 5/8, 4/7, 4/6, 3/5, 3/4, 2/3 (impossible to go further)
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@Speedrace
nope it's 5 votes mate, take half an add one.
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@ drafter, you should probably unblock me at some point in this game. I will talk more eloquently to you I guess, though I don't know what it is I said that crossed the line.
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I can't believe he actually blocked me lol. Drafterman was the last person I thought would have done that because he can't hold his own argumentatively. I don't even think the debate was extremely toxic or anything.
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I gave my reasons for Lunatic but you didn't buy it. He says he was suddenly swayed by a majority support for a NL, but I don't see it. Do you?
My meta belief is that longer day phases are better yes. If the majority of players don't want that I am not gonna flame everyone away from it, I learned the hard way that it just creates animosity and distances you from the rest of the town.
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@Barney
At this point I am trying to think of this as a second DP1.
Theres was like 12 hours you could have hammered the VTNL.
I'll see where we are with this after I get back from my home but I'm increasingly becoming okay with a drafter lynch with his behavior.
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But that he came out the bad a few minutes after the game started is probably strong evidence he is telling the truth and Lunatic is right that mafia successfully fake claiming Miller is rare.
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Except his reasons for thinking those people were scumming were trash and it would have been preferable to NL in those cases. His poor play is in continuing to push for bad lynches rather than not lynching at all. - Town drafterman, from the office mafia endgame
So if town drafter agrees that no lynching was preferable to bad lynches yet this drafter wants to lynch whoever, on basically whatever justification, am I safe to assume this drafter is not the same affiliation as that drafter? Keep in mind he basically agrees with me earlier that the miller wagon was ridiculous because of how frequently millers are included in the game. He added reasons to lynch skittlez much later but at that point skittlez seemed several peoples ideal mislynch.
Unvote. Vtl drafterman.
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"I was just minding my own business til big bad ol' Lunatic provoked me hurr durr"
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@drafterman
Also drafter keep shouting that I am "mis-representing" you or shouting "qoute me" all you want, your actions contradict whatever nonsense you are trying to spill about your intentions.
Jumping on to the oro wagon shows you wanted anyone lynched so long as a lynched happen.
That little quip about "I guess I'll be back in 2 days" demonstrates you think talking longer is useless. Your own actions show your motivations here, so stop lying about your intentions lol.
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@drafterman
Remember, Lunatic is actually against NLing and would rather the Day Phase time out:https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4823/post-links/203233So why the VTNL?This is inconsistent.VTL Lunatic
I would rather use the rest of the day phase, but I asked several people's opinion on the subject and it sounds so far like people are leaning towards ending the phase early. That's why I said I am still willing to unvote if people want to keep it going.
You sound surprised that because I am not stamping my foot and whining like a toddler that I didn't get my way, much the same way you have been about not getting your way with the lynch the whole day phase as evidenced with posts like this: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4823-arrowverse-mafia-dp1?page=14&post_number=328
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@Barney
Defense of him, and if a team either of you are smart enough to suggest the gambit to him.
It seems a bit of a stretch to want to lynch someone on the suspicion that someone else is blatantly buddying him lol. Also kind of makes defending him redudant if my efforts to do so just result in him getting lynched anyway
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@Barney
I would just like one more short review on why or why not lynching Skittlez
While not a strong suspicion, the worry that Skittlez and Lunatic or Skittlez and MisterChris could be a team, seems worth ruling out.
Why is this a worry lol
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VTNL
If you guys want to play the day phase out longer and discuss things, let me know, I'll happily unvote.
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@MisterChris
The question then becomes: Skittlez lynch or No lynch? I've made my opinion clear before, but Drafterman is swaying me to be willing to vote Skittlez should it be the popular option. Thoughts?
I don't think I could be pursuaded to lynch skittlez because the miller claim. The only argument that is even semi convincing is the argument that his description doesnt make a lot of sense but we made that same argument against speed in Naruto mafia and he flipped town so I'm hesitant to go down that road again. While I won't be joining the lynch and would prefer a no lynch, I can say that skittlez isn't the worst possible lynch outcome under the mindset that we must lynch this day phase because he won't be the most help in a Lylo or mylo situation where activity is needed. Id be keen to pressure one of the remaining 5 players under better circumstances but we have limited POE pretty decently with the lover claim.
I won't shed any tears or call anyone an idiot for lynching skittlez, but at the same time I feel like it's gonna be a mislynch because there is basically always a miller in games these days. Fake claiming a miller is suicidal. I tried to do it myself and was CCed instantly not long ago. Managed to survive by the grace of gods but was scum read the whole game. Also skittlez claiming early is in line with what hes done as town in the last few games.
That's my two cents on the skittlez issue.
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@Vader
Nothing in your posts changes my mind with skittlez. However, drafter is now a slight scum versus a town lean.
Not really much I can say in skittlez defense other than there is usually millers and this feels like a free mislynch.
I was just asking you if you still read him as scum because your post when you got back just mentioned drafter and oro, and you were pretty hard on skittlez earlier, so was wondering why that read dropped.
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Reads:
1. skittlez09- Most likely town, millers are basically innocent childs these days.
2. drafterman- Null, slight scum for acting like he isn't okay with random lynching when he switched to oro the second he thought that was a more viable lynch.
3. oromagi- Slight scum due setting up lover pair as amislynch if they don't die.
4. SupaDudz- Either town Or the ballsiest mafia player ever.
5. Intelligence_06- confirms supas role, likely town. Behaviorally a bit scummy, but I doubt he is scum.
6. Lunatic- Town AF
7. MisterChris- Inactive, null
8. SirAnonymous- Town? Hard to read, but he's playing pretty pro town so far.
9. Ragnar- Slight town because he saw the same thing I saw with oro's setting up the lovers for a mislynch.
Yeah it's not much but the game is young.
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