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@oromagi
You were actually really fvcking good that game. If you were just a little more forceful selling your reads I think you could have hurt us lol
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@MisterChris
You were big brain this game. I got to be honest, relying solely on scum reads would've been impossible for you because you HAD none.
Except now you'll nbever trust me again lol
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Jk town did well. Drafter, oro, ragnar all played really well!
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@Vader
@Intelligence_06
Just waiting on you guys. Lynch skittles, tomorrow sir Anon and GG town win
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playing video games atm, I am around if there are any questions.
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VTL skittlez. I can see no reason not to vote him, I know he is scum and I dont think no lynching will get us anywhere different.
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Day phase 2 ended 4 hours ago. Skittlez was last online 3 hours ago. Submitted his night action then dipped.
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Sir has to be his partner based on POE. I can't think of anyone else it could be.
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@oromagi
That's crazy you are able to use your role the same night your were resurected, because I couldn't use my role np2 the night I inherited it.
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@Intelligence_06
So why would skittles be scum if his visiting target is still alive?
Hmm? He claimed miller. Millers don't visit. I think scum was trying to set you up for todays mislynch but they weren't banking on another investigative role.
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@oromagi
Were you able to use your role the same night you got it?
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I am not voting skittlez yet because I am trying to think if there is a way I can prove this with a VTNL, but I think all that will result in is the lovers dying, and us being in the same predicament tomorrow, except it would be 2 v 5 vs 2 v 3, and basically we already know the lovers are town from this, so there's no point. Am I missing something here?
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So I am batgirl, the universal back up. Basically I took over as vigilante for batman in gotham city after his 3 year dis-appearance and the streets of gotham erupting into chaos. My role works so that I take over the first town role that dies. So I am a watcher, and yes with oro being back there are currently two watchers.
I watched misterchris, and he was visited by Skittlez.
So obviously Skittlez is scum here, and I think siranonymous is his partner, but this basically confirms the two lovers as town. I think scum were banking on using them as todays mislynch.
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@oromagi
Welcome back oro, sorry for mislynching you, but it was for the best. I think we've cracked this game. Big post coming, I have results!
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@Barney
@Vader
@skittlez09
Everyone's watching, to see what you will do
Everyone's looking at you, oh
Everyone's wondering, will you come out tonight
Everyone's trying to get it right, get it right
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@oromagi
said at the beginning of this DP that I don't think TOWN wins with another mislynch so let's all claim asap and have been trying to drag people out of their closets since. I went straight for drafter's fake claim and have moved suspicion to whoever was least forthcoming. That I am publicly guessing your & Ragnar's role is no surprise to TOWN.
Guessing at the roles defeats the purpose of hiding the role. Neither me or ragnar are particularly scum read by anyone other than yourself, so it really doesn't make sense for us to claim if we are town and have power roles. Misterchris being known cop is already pretty damaging.
If LOVERS are town, then anybody who's preaching "hey we have bags of time, let me keep my secrets" is anti-town. Unlike SCUM, I can't tell if LOVERs are TOWN so I want full claims from everybody as if we are close to ENDGAME because we probably are.
If we couldn't afford a potential mislynch now, the situation would be more dire. Even if we do mislynch today, the chances of finding scum are increased expodentially next phase especially if the lovers are night killed. Yes it will be LYLO, but I think a lot of games end up getting solved in LYLO so it's not the worst thing in the world. Regardless, there is a pretty good reason I am not claiming and I am hoping the same is with ragnar. If town suspect one of the two of us enough then we can claim, but otherwise it pointless benefits mafia only to do so. Your flip in particular is rather revealing. If by chance you are town, we know we have likely scum in SirAnonymous.
When you read the Arrowverse wiki, many characters identify as vigilantes the word just keeps popping up and given role madness and BP and maybe even a DOC, a VIG seems very likely. Probably a 1xVIG since I am a 1X BP.
A vig in a 9 player game? If it wasn't role madness it would be a bit more buyable. This game could have ended by DP3 if we mislynched, lovers were night killed. I would hope speed wouldn't balance it that way.
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@oromagi
There would be if there was a VIG, which I kind of think there is.
Bruh. I straight up said I wasn't a vig, so if this is true you know it's not me. And me and ragnar are the only unclaimed. So you are basically publiclly guessing at ragnars role here. I think that is pretty anti town... You did the same thing in drafters game when you decoded intelligences claim and were pointed out why that was bad and even agreed that you did it mostly for bragging rights but thought you shouldn't have. So I am having an even harder time buying town motive for this directly after that game...
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@MisterChris
Oromagi IS right about this one. Supa and Intel have been acting mad fishy despite the fact a mislynch of them could mean death to us all.
If the lovers are mafia, I will have to give them a round of applause for that masterful ploy lol. I mean this with every ounce of respect I can muster; but I don't see them making that play as scum. If I am wrong I'll get qouted for that and made fun of in the end game lol. But that is some next level gambitting and I don't think supa would take that kind of a risk.
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@oromagi
wow you can search these faster than I can. Can you produce a single example of a SCUM BP?
Not neccecary. I am not arguing that you are actually BP, but that you are scum and fake claiming. There is no way to test or prove you are a BP.
You have expressed just as much suspicion re: LOVERs claim as I. They claimed too early and then both went dark. The difference is that I am town and am not looking for reasons to mislynch.
You were initially suspected by several people day phase one for your comment about if the lovers survive and the implications of that. Then the total 180 the next phase wehre you say you were trying to protect them makes no sense. I pointed out the wholes in the logic already. Moreover, I think you changed your stance on the lovers because you realized how badly you were scum read for those statements day phase 1. It seems like you are trying to save yourself now by changing your stance.
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@oromagi
Actually I will cede on the point about bulletproofs being town. I went through the archives and found 4 games you were in where there were bulletproof townies. I was not in any of them. Arthopoda, pokemon, celebrity, and pizza mafia all had town bulletproof.
Regardless, I am not convinced you are town here based on the motivations with the lover fos still.
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@oromagi
that's nuts. I have been a BP 3 or 4 games and played games with BPs in them maybe 20-30 times and I've never once seen a scum BP. The only kind of game with a SCUM BP would be one with a town VIG and those are far rarer than BPs.
Link the games with town BP? I don't remember them. Not saying you are wrong just I've been in the majority of the same games as you here.
Also the argument isn't that you would be scum BP, it's that you are scum and lying. I agree there's not many scum bulletproofs unless you count 3rd parties, which I don't think you are. Airmax I think it was recently claimed bulletproof as scum in live mafia and was scum. It turns out to be a scum fake claim more often than not.
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@oromagi
or because town is too lazy and disinterested to pressure you if you are scum
The only inactives this game have been supa and skittlez really. The majority of players have been pretty active. I am willing to claim if enough people wish it. I know you don't like the WIFOM "I would or wouldn't do this as scum" arguments, so you can ignore this and probably will, but to anyone else reading, I as scum would know that delaying my claim would look bad. And not to toot my own horn but I am pretty good at fake claiming. I would have claimed by now as scum. It's obvious that I think there is pretty good utility in hiding the last two claims. Especially with the cop out, because again scum now have to gamble night kills and roleblocks and decide whether I am bluffing or genuinely am a threat. I think there's utility in that alone.
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@Barney
Why are you about to be hammered? Any scum slips, or just random?
There are several reasons. To quickly summarize, 1. His motivation regarding the lovers doesn't make sense, in my response to you earlier I explained why a bit. 2. The gambit at the end of the phase seemed wierd. It seemed like a way to set himself up with bulletproof, but it should have been obvious that scum (if he's not it) wouldn't have bought that. 3. Bulletproof is a common role used as a fake claim, and will convienently explain why he won't die, besides it's rare in general to see town BP's. 4. The doctor claim makes two protective roles in the game. We have to consider the balance implications of this in a 9 player game, it's unlikely I think that both him and sir are town.
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@Barney
@Vader
@skittlez09
I'd say its probably safe to hammer at this point since the game wont be able to really move forward until we know how oro flips and need to get the POE.
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@Barney
@Vader
@Intelligence_06
What are your guys thoughts about lynching oro?
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Un-official Vote Count
oromagi - MisterChris, SirAnonymous, Lunatic (3/5)
skittlez09 - SupaDudz (1/5)
Lunatic - oromagi (1/5)
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@SirAnonymous
I don't really buy your two protective role theory. I think two protective roles are definitely possible in order to balance the lovers. I sus oro for other reasons, though.
I could be wrong, and I realize this is a role madness game, but two protection roles in a 9 player game seems a bit much. Though like I said it could be to balance the lovers. I don't want to assume to much but I already read oro for other reasons, your doctor claim was just icing on the cake.
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@oromagi
I am generally believing the claims on the table with LOVERS being the worst of these. The wild card is the two non-claimants, you and Ragnar2. Based on BATWOMAN's bio and the close connections between characters and ROLES my first guess is that you are VIG- maybe 1XVIG that holding on to your shot or maybe 2xVIG that hit Ragnar last night and you're afraid to say so (Ragnar was top of my SCUM pile yesterday so I wouldn't fault a VIG) and SCUM failed to NK.I wasn't sure the thought was worth voicing until Intel seems to fishing for VIGs this AM.
I can confirm that I am not a vigilante or any type of killing role. I still think there's utility in hiding the last two claims however. I am not normally one who likes to wait to claim but in this circumstance I feel it is neccesary. Not neccesarily hinting a power role, either. I'd rather keep the mafia guessing if I am a threat or not tonight, potentially save mister chris from being blocked or killed or at least let scum WIFOM it tonight.
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Sir is obviously sus if oro flips town by some miracle, but he's basically town confirmed if oro flips guilty from the two protective role theory.
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As it stands, I feel like 99% sure Oromagi is scum, it makes the most sense out of the current claimed roles so far. So whose his buddy, and who do we target next phase?
I would put chris as the lowest possibility, unless mod gave scum cop as a fake claim and miller as a fake claim, because his buddy would have to be skittlez if so. Chris is most likely town. Skittlez probably isn't lying but he's a POE option we would have to look at as well. Ragnar was copped inno, while we shouldn't discount godfather or lawyer, it looks good for him and behaviorally he's been well since replacing drafter. Other possibility is that we are all dumb and supa/intelligence really were scum from the get go.
So that's where we are at.
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@Barney
Not sure who it was, but skimming over things earlier, someone said something about scum choosing to kill a watcher over the lovers... Two things on this: 1. They had no way to know my role when they selected me as the NK. 2. They obviously just saw greater benefit to killing the lovers later, and prioritizing killing power roles in the short term.
It was me, but you are taking my argument out of context a bit. Oromagi was bringing up the idea that there was scum in the lovers, and made a pretty good case for why we should be skeptical of them if they survive late game. However, now he admits it was a gambit to keep the lovers alive. My point is all that gambit would achieve is keeping the lovers alive for one extra day phase, so it's not a very clever or helpful gambit for town. It meant mafia could keep them alive and kill them later, since they can target the lovers at any point. All it did was allow scum to POE hunt for investigators, which seems to be exactly what they did. If oro thought the lovers were town, it was probably in towns best interest that they died np1 as opposed to np2, as it would have allowed you to get watcher results. He doesn't have to know what roles are in the game to know there was probably town power roles that could serve town better than keeping the lover alive for 1 extra day.
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1. oromagi
2. Speedrace
3. skittlez09
4. BearMan
5. Intelligence_06
6. Danielle
7. Lunatic
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vtl oromagi. I think we have sufficient info today. Two protection roles is iffy.
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Doctor and a bulletproof? Again, might make up for the lovers but thats a lot of protection, also consindering we had a watcher, either one of them is lying, or mafia are very strong to compensate. Hmmm...
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@oromagi
Is there gonna be LIVE mafia tonight?
I have tickets to see TJ Miller tonight, so unfortunately I won't be there. I am not sure if the group will be getting together for it or not
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I think your scum so I don't have much value in your vote, but if enough people want me to I will.
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@oromagi
both LOVERS say that Speed told them they are both TOWN. Therefore it can't be half and half. It's not a bad fake claim for SCUM but I can't see Supa and Intel locking themselves together so early as scum. Therefore very likely TOWN.
I agree with most of this, I have said all of this myself. I am going based on POE. It's either sir, skitllez or one of the lovers.
IF we believe everybody's claim so far, then its just you and SA holding out on ROLES even after the COP has outed and desperately needs to know who to COP tonight. I just can't believe you have a ROLE that's more important to TOWN than COP's need to know who to COP tonight.
If the majority of town asks for my claim I am willing to do so. I think there is some utility in keeping it hidden however.
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Skittlez is still a possibility but I doubt that he is scum.
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@MisterChris
Let me ask, if not Oromagi, who else could it be? Is there anything pointing to Sir as a suspect?
Sir has been playing in a way that I feel has been pro town so far. But then he is usually hard for me to read. His character is the main character, and while I know theres no theme difference, that could be a good sign for him. I think we should probably mass role claim next day phase. If Oro is town, POE puts the remaining scum as sir and maybe one of the lovers. Assuming your result was correct, which I have no reason to doubt at this time.
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@MisterChris
Oh okay, I was more asking if there was specific information you were looking for, but I see you just want to use the phase a little more. That's fine.
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@MisterChris
unvote.
What information would you like to get?
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@oromagi
We've already established that BOMB is a fake claim. If Ragnar was Plastique/BOMB he would not have been confused when I asked him directly whether he was right after drafter's hasty exit. Ragnar didn't seem to know what I was talking about and Chris says he's TOWN so I don't need any further claim.
Your the one listing him as bomb on your list.
Does your role visit people at night?
I don't see a reason to answer this.
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Ragnar2 is also sus but since he is very less involved in rants compared to drafter, I can't say anything.
Ragnar 2 is town.
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@MisterChris
Do you buy oros bulletproof claim? It fits his character but idk. bomb and BP? that's two people mafia can't kill but I guess it kind of makes up for the lovers if all 4 are town.
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