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I wasn't really talking about you though with that specifically, more just the general attitude of not caring who get's lynched, and the defense of the idea that more conversation and deliberation about lynching is harmful. People like GP, and singularity for example have a very lax policy on lynching, and it's easy to use people like that to get mislynches. 

Bullish town MVP I think. I didn't actually want to kill him because I had fun interacting with him, and adding flavor to the game. Drafter and zaradi wanted the kill and it was probably a logical one in the end, but I normally don't kill people I am in direct conflict with. Luckily I wifomed my way out of that argument.

DD did well and was a close second to MVP. His reads weren't awful, and a lot of the lynch decisions were out of his hands based on the poor decisions by his teamates.

Oro gets 3rd in my opinion. He was calling me scum all game, and obviously would have got drafter and zaradi on results and could have won the game for town if he was able to get zaradi lynched. But his general inactivity, and lack of a real push on me is where he suffered. 

I don't know if there was anything notable from the rest of town, tbh.

Not gonna add insults to injury by playing the blame game on who did what. We all know the chain of events that led to this result. That said, I hope a good lesson was learned from this about putting effort and thought into decisions, and shows how impulsive behavior can be detrimental to the town.

I fvcked up early with the miller thing, and was pretty surprised to have survived that. I know I was on most people's scum list, so I don't attribute my survival to excellent play or anything. I claimed miller because the last like 4 games didn't have one on town, and I figured that was a safe claim. My justification was pretty weak though for it, so I thought for sure I was done for when I claimed it. Also I wasn't lying, normally I never claim miller as scum. It was kind of a quickly made decision. It worked out, but this game would have been much simpler if I would have waited on some claims to come out, especially since I have knowledge of the theme, I could have claimed much more confirmable characters. Though no one would have figured out that theme difference lol. It's very meta and specific. I didn't even figure it out and I was scum, and the wiki for this show is so shit that no one possibly could have figured that out lol.

Game seemed balance. But besides DD, oro and bullish, town didn't have very many hard hitters, and lynching me, drafter, and zaradi based on behavior is incredibly hard since we can WIFOM our way out of anything outside of investigative results. I get the list was random, but if anything it just makes me less confident with certain people on my team next time I am town.

I thought GP was scum, and he wasn't even in our discord chat. SMH

Mafia numbers are low atm. I am proposing that we do back to back quickfires til it seems there are enough players to revive actual forum games. If we do this, should we create another list, or do as we've always done with them and allow signups to be first come first serve?

I regret killing you. The challenge died with you :(

And we night kill singularity, should be a GG.

I'm still leaning zaradi being scum between him and oro. The non roleblocker theory isn't strong enough WIFOM to sway me all they way out of that. But I am gonna be open minded here and weigh all possibilities. 

I feel like we are missing some obvious clue here that makes this decision a guaranteed scum lynch

Town could VERY easily bounce back here if we are correct today.

Holy spelling errors from my phone sorry

I'd actually give the no roleblocker theory a bit more cresit than 10%. Why black drsfter night one? Nithing he did or said indicated he was a power role over many of the claims especially escobar. And roleblocking a messenger seems like such a waste when you look at the power roles im the graveyard

If thats the case then its Oro, GP, drafter

Unless the roleblocker doesnt exist and both people claiming roleblocked are scum

The only reason to roleblock GP would be to not have him confirm his role. But role confirmation =/= affiliation. Seems lile a waste of a roleblock to me. And I have scum reas drafter all game. Maybe there is no roleblocker...

So drafter and gp only two roleblock claims... 

I'm not taking sides, but that is kind of a manipulative spin you just did there. Like why?

He is clearly talking from trying to justifies oro's position lol

I don't have the research to check, and doing it would be useless since pie could have done it either way. Which way are you leaning on the zaradi/oro thing? 

We have to be careful how we vote. With 3 scum, if they are coordinated enough, they can quick hammer off of one vote. If oro is scum, all he needs is one more townie to board that wagon and this could be over. 

Actually I am back to kind of town reading DD based on his claim. This isn't DEA/Pablo or Gringos vs pablo based on water's flip. If Steve Murphy is town, then so is Javier Pena. This means there are indeed two millers. Unless pie has some really really weird justification for Pena being scum. Or Javier Pena was a fake claim. Yeah maybe I shouldn't read so much into the claims, but it's kind hard not to

If DD is indeed a second miller, cope is pretty under powered, role cop could balance that out. But typically role cops are scum. So... Hmmm.

lets do

agreed, kinda leaning zaradi too but we can dish this out tomorrow

Who do you think is scummier out of zaradi and oro?

I completely missed this post lol

so one of two things, 

1. Zaradi is telling the truth and oro is scum

2. Zaradi is lying because it's mylo. 

VTNL still seems the way to go.

spill the beans

where dafuq is oro lol

Id like to hear oros perspective today

I am down for VTNL. Won't vote tonight, I am pretty drunk so hopefully I won't be posting tonight

If you were roleblocked that looks good for drafter. Also looks like you were getting set up for today's lynch

Above

Why is gato vig

I'm thinking the scum team is for sure DD drafter and zaradi. 

Why not me or DD?

If you hadn't been roleblocked game would be over right now. Vigging me as retarded. Why? You said you believed 2 millers dp1...

Rest of the claims need to come out. It's late enough in the game and we are at MYLO, if we fuck this up today their is no more night phase. So ALL claims out now. Full Claims.

Zaradi, drafter, both character and Role needed. Wlyted oro and water roles out 

I am not going to be crazy active, its my weekend so I'll be getting drunk and hanging with friends. But I'll try to respond from pings on my phone

And we lost out doctor. Shit.

Well this is MYLO. Unless we have a solid 100% confirmed mafia probably best to go no lynch by the end of this phase.

Top reads are still zaradi drafter and DD though. 

Supa is gonna catch some shit for this in the endgame lol.

Results?

The main suspicious thing is that you forgot what a weak hider was after being scum with it, not misinterpreting the role

If I hammer supa, he turns town, and I get shit for doing this ima be annoyed cuz it seems Im damned if I do and damned if I don't with  yall.

I am trying to be open minded man. I am not opposed to hammering, but if this is a mislynch its gonna hurt

He's one of pablo's henchmen, hasn't been claimed yet, been waiting to see if that claim would pop up

zaradi hasn't claimed yet, and I explained why I think he should. There's no rush to lynch supa if we do that, and I am not convinced I want to lynch supa. You were the one saying we should wait til everyone posts and theres a bit more activity.

Gonna play a couple rounds of EFT, I'll respond in between queue

The only argument I can think of for his henchmen not to be on the same team would be that Blackie and La Quica "Betray" him but it's only once they are caught and as a deal to not get extradited to the US. 

So this looks like an ace in the hole against supa. I'll admit it doesn't look good for him. However one thing we have to keep in mind is that it's supa. That means he does and says things without thinking them through, and he does this as both town and scum we've learned through the months of playing with him.

He could have forgotten the hidden modifier in the office, since the game was 4 months ago. He is probably too stubborn also to admit he fvcked up and forgot so if he is town, makes sense why he would vote for himself instead of be humble and admit he was dumb.

I am not gonna pass him off for that, because it's hypotheticals, but if he flips town, that explains it. I'm all for if it looks, walks, and talks like a duck, treat it like a duck.

The one thing I can't get past is his motivation for trying to town confirm me. This isn't as hard hitting for anyone who isn't me, since only I know I am town 100%. I don't see what his motivation is for trying to town confirm me as scum.