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@Speedrace
I have, I am conflicted. hold on ill make a post
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@oromagi
I just got home driving home from work, an hour drive in the snow...TUF & DD are suddenly very quiet
TUF (&anyone familiar with the show)IF La Quica and Poison both flip scum, am I wrong in thinkingEl Limon makes a natural thematic third?
I guess, but then speed would also be scum since he is the leader of the sicarios. Thats like 4 scum
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@oromagi
That makes me think Steve Murphy is a likely scum character and Steve's partner is Javier Pena.
Kind of wondering about this theme too. DEA would be Murphy and Pena. Carillo could be third scum if this is the case since they work together but I don't think he's DEA. Murphy and Carillo are too big of characters not to be in this game.
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@Singularity
lmaoAll I knew he was at L1. I didn't know why and didn't care. My pm with Zaradi and drafter one of them told me he was at L1 and to vote
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@WaterPhoenix
Depends if supa's role PM specifically tells him he dies when visiting scum , or if that's just his assumption of how the role works. Regardless, it looks good for supa to have done in.
INB4 "wHaT iF lUnA aNd SuPa ArE sCuMbUdDiEs"
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Reads (not going into crazy detail on this because this game has been slow)
Drafterman - Null, lean scum- Not as active and engaged feeling as he normally is I feel like. But then again no one else is either.
Speed- Town, via character claims and other characters claimed that support him
DD- Lean scum- Don't wanna tunnel, but it looks like he lied about his read on bullish to look town. He stated he town read bullish the whole time, but his last post stated willingness to lynch him, and before that he lectured me for switching my read off him based on his character. Bragging he thought bullish was town looks like trying to earn town cred.
Supa- Town - I was scum's biggest mislynch target, claiming results that confirm me is not in scums best interest.
Zaradi- Null, lean scum- Not playing aggressively and hunting town. The last game I played with him was drafters quickfire game, and his behavior was a stark contrast to his play here. He was town in that one. If he is dis-interested in the game, I think he needs to at least claim so I can better read him.
Greyparrot- Null, lean town- Town lean based on character alone, and I understand scum could have fake claims. GP has been inactive otherwise, but his role should be confirmable. Surprised no one has claimed to get a message yet.
WaterPhoenix- Town. Didn't board the dumb wagons yesterday. All his reads have been supported by his own reasons, and he seems to be open to opinions and objective. Mostly on gut I feel water is town.
Oromagi-null, lean town- His claim falls in line with the other two dead cali cartel members. His behavior seems genuine for the time being..
Singularity- null, lean town- I am partially town leaning him based on his character claim as well, Limon is big. He is Escobars last loyal Sicario prior to his death. The other part is the tunnel feel I am getting from the other players against him. Open minded about it being a bus or creating distance, but it feels sketch.
If I had to name 3 scum now, my picks would be Zaradi, drafter, and DD. These are developing and may change in an instant as did my read on bullish.
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@oromagi
Bullshit. Scum knows who is town- Town is still collating dataPlease explain immediately how you knew Bullish was Judy Moncada. It seems to me like scum has a character list.Supa has Claudia in his head- TUF has Judy.
I've seen the show homie. He said his character is anti Escobar. There's a lot of anti-Escobar characters, but as soon as he said he was female, I knew it was Judy Moncada. Pablo killed her husband and she plots against him for a few episodes, it is very memorable. Judy Moncada is a big character in the show so it had to be her.
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@Zaradi
I mean, one of the leads is DD, so if that's not shared by you then I'm real confused.To clarify, I want to see his reaction to Supa's post.
Where did you post you thought DD was a good lead?
That sounds like a statement that requires elaboration. I'm on Singularity because the quick hammer was scummy as shit and the activity from singularity preceding the hammer was not stellar, for the small amount of it that there was. If there's something there you disagree with, feel free to talk about it.
As for a lynch target, I'm more comfortable lynching Virt over Lunatic if those are the two realistic options.
Vtl Virt
Post 516 you seemed pretty ready to lynch virt, I am not sure why you are so confused he was lynched on the next page... As far as inactivity goes, I feel your activity levels were probably on par with singularity's last day phase. I don't necessarily town read singularity, but he does have a solid claim and I am feeling hesitant given the dogpile occurring here. Everyone seems willing to lynch him but I don't feel most of the reads are genuine, except maybe WaterPhoenix's.
was just looking for a decent explanation as to why it was necessary, but now I definitely want to see you beg me. Thatd be funny as shit.
Resisting claiming to prove how bad-ass you are is so 5 years ago.
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@drafterman
Where you been? What you thinkin about the game so far, who is scum, who is town?
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@Zaradi
Your leads from scum aren't necessarily shared by everyone. The wylted train seems a bit sus to me also. You gonna make me beg you for a claim? I don't know how to read your behavior rn.
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@Vader
Good shit supa. Now we can focus on scum hunting without having the dumb CC argument. Thoughts about discs claim that he town read bullish the whole time after saying he was down to lynch him and lecturing me for switching my read on bullish after figuring out his character?
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@WaterPhoenix
Unless this is a bus the implication is that singularity would be town if disc is scum.
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@WaterPhoenix
I get you are excited about DD being on the same page as you with singularity, but singularity aside, do you not find it odd that DD's last post of DP1 was claiming he was wanting a lynch on bullish, and now he's toting he town read him the whole time?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
seems like your trying to change topic and avoid the fact I just called your out on lying about your read though doesn't it? lol
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Kind of odd how when a main player is town reading you and defending you you are willing to look all the less active players in the eyes and say "go ahead lynch me I'll even vtl myself" but as soon as you don't have a big player to publicly back you up you start getting all defensive at the idea that you might be FOS'ed next DP.
The logic stands though, and you can attack the idea, but not the argument. We are now down one of our 3 mislynches we are afforded, and the more we mislynch the more keeping a pocket mislynch mafia can use at any point later in the game is harmful to town. If I was going to get lynched, it should have been yesterday.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
So why would you want to lynch "obvious town"?I litterally called him "obvious town" about five or six times. I said I would reread and reevaluate that read but didn't have time to do so.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Your last post of the day phase indicated that you were willing to lynch bullish. Now you are saying he was a town read?No, I had a scum read on singu for a good portion of the last DP as well, one which two of my top town reads at the time (bullish and WP) agreed with.
"I would be down to lynch either singularity or bullish at this point but neither of those seem likely to happen."
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Also drop the intimidation tactics, its un-befitting of you. Let's do this logically, you state your reads, not just "Let's lynch this person because I said so" lol. Town don't need to flex. You agreed with me that bullish was scummy for doing that last phase.That is accurate, yes.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
So your trying to lynch singularity because of the virtuoso hammer? Is that the only reason?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Keep the speculation about character-role links to your scum PM please. Town don't care about any of that. Bussing your buddy singu would also be helpful kthanksbye.
Lol what a quick flip from your earlier town read on me.
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@Zaradi
Bruh. If you don't know how to read me after how many years of playing on DDO together?, then me character claiming ain't fixing that issue lol
1. How am I supposed to read 0 activity?
2. This is the first actual non QF game I have played with you since DDO times I think. I assume you are a different person than you were however many years ago we last played.
That said I remember your playstyle was pretty aggressive back in the day. In the drafter quickfire I played with you, you were also pretty aggressive as town. I can buy dis-interest as a reason for not being aggressive, but it puts me in a spot of not knowing how to read you.
I think I am justified in at least asking for a character claim...
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@Zaradi
how about a character claim? I don't know how to read you, I think that would help
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That's what I mean. Like Pie has 'justifications' for the characters, but like if you watch the show it's hard to see them I guess. Like on paper DD's justification makes sense I guess, but miller isn't the first thing I would come up for Javier Pena, given he is a DEA officer and one of the main good guys in the show.My role justification makes perfect sense, but only in the context of the type of character it is, I'm not sure whether it does when it's specific to Pablo since I don't watch the show
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Btw I am gonna be active today, but thurs- sat I'll be on my weekend and will mostly only be able to respond to pings.
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I feel like zaradi has been a bit inactive, and I'm kinda sus tbh. He seemed a bit more passionate in the last game we played.
VTL zaradi for a character
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@WaterPhoenix
It was a gritty day phase, and virt had made like 2 posts total. Inactivity has hurt the town in the past. There was probably scum on the wagon, but I don't think it's such a crazy idea that virt got lynched. I probably should have advocated a no lynch though.I'm really sus of all the people who hammered the virt wagon.
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Btw justification for roles in this game seem very weak. So weak in fact, I don't even know if it's worth asking people for role justification. Not a single role so far has had a claim that makes even remote sense to me. Pablo makes much more sense as a hider then la quica. Javier and Maria make little sense as miller. Poison a messenger? Really? I don't even know lol. Seems like pie is going more for balance than role links but we do know there is a thematic difference.
Still thinking it could be gringos as we have 0 claims of that yet.
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@WaterPhoenix
Those aren't really power roles IMO. the bulletproof sucks that we wasted a lynch on that, in hindsight we should have gone vtnl over virt, but that was gonna be a hard sale.yo se, two town power roles down.
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@Speedrace
Bullish retracted his scum read I think. Him dying actually makes me think Lunatic is town
Honestly yeah, anyone that knows me knows I keep my enemies close lol. Killing them is so stark contrast to anything I would do. That said I feel like bullish was probably targeted for some reason (other than trying to frame me) because I don't really see many mafia using that as a viable strategy. I may have inadvertently killed him by outting his character last day phase, but when he said he was a woman who was anti-pablo I figured it was pretty obvious, and any mafia doing basic research would have figured it out anyway. That said, Ascetic isn't a crazy power role, and probably has more anti town utility than pro town utility, as it would essentially roleblock investigators.
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I'm a bit surprised bullish was the target. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense unless mafia were going for a kill they hoped thwir wouldn't be watchers on. Interesting. RIP bullish, sorry for suspecting you bud.
Results?
At least we know Cali cartel is town. Looks good for oro.
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Wiki's for this show give shit info, so justifications are important for this one
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@Discipulus_Didicit
He hinted it very early on which is pretty risky. I'll keep an open mind about it
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We might as well get the rest of the claims out. All the mains are out.
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Unvote.
Too good a fake claim for someone without theme knowledge to come up with lol. Bullish is just a stubborn townie in this one i guess.
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@Bullish
That was a joke so it doesn't count. It was 10 posts into the DP, he was obviously not lurking, he wasn't self-metaing to absolve himself of any action.https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3614/post_links/155819 this post is much more in vein of what I'm talking about.
It wasn't a joke. You must not know grey parrot very well.
Also the second wasn't self meta'ing, and it was actual true information, and he was right, it was dumb to assume a mod who always gives fake claims wouldn't.
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@WaterPhoenix
He is Limon, pablos green sicario who sticks with him to the end after all other sicarios are captured and killed. Most of the claims right now are pablo and his sicarios
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@WaterPhoenix
My problem with singularity is he has a pretty airtight character claim, especially in light of speed and grey's claim. Bullish on the other hand has no claim, and is against pablo (and by extension everyone of his sicarios which make up most of the current claims). Javier Pena is anti pablo but is also a miller claim, which leads us to believe gringos are scum, and bullish's anti pablo claim pretty much leaves him the option of being carrillo or murphy, and if he's murphy he is gringo thus potentially scum. Behaviorally he is hella scum. I think we need to focus more on bullish.
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@Bullish
link?Literally last game grey did that shit and was scum.
Here's a town one where he did it. Again at most this is a null read lol.
1. continually referencing your scum meta shows you're in a scum mindset
Or a town mindset trying to prove his innocence by appealing to a persons better reasonings.
2. continually referencing your scum meta shows you keep doing scummy shit and instead of finding a town game where you did it, you have to find a scum game where you didn't, which is based on less water tight logic
It's showing I act differently when under the presence of a different situation, which is like literally the way you yourself base most of your reads on. You almost always read people based on how you remember them acting in another game, you did it with drafter when you decided to town read him because of some trivial bullshit like having had a long argument with him in some ancient game.
3. if you bring it up yourself it's always WIFOM which shows you have no better argument against why other players scum read you
It's literally arguing wifom with wifom. Again, if you decide not to take it with a grain of salt its at most a null read lol
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