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Btw policy lynches against millers are so dumb. You are punishing a player for receiving a role as if they have control over that. It will start encouraging millers not to claim SOP and when they get caught guilty on cop results and mislynched they will get yelled at for not claiming miller lol. We are creating double standards for ourselves. Mods aren't going to stop using millers either.
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@Speedrace
I dont think so. Unless you think there is any chance that both me and DD can survive this game to late game with the roles we have. I would love to go that option. If we had old school mafia players like bluesteel, fourtrouble, blackvoid and yraelz this wouldnt even be an issue. At some point in this game one of the millers is probably getting lynched though and id rather it not be a LYLO situation. So if we can address this issue of "its impossible for there to be two millers" now and be okay with the idea that two can exist in fine with lynching elsewhere. But I legit cannot defend myself otherwise I know my role and I know I'm town. Other people csnt see my role pm but will lynch this way because its easy. If i csn replace virtuoso next day phase I will tunnel wylted bullish and supa hard for their laziness with my lynch because there will definitely be scum on itYou voting yourself is wildly anti-town
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@Speedrace
I didnt mean because of your game that came out wrong lol. Probably external factors like political simulator and Superbowl but even more active people like drafterman seem less interested for some reason. Just kind of feels ded right now
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@WaterPhoenix
These guys are lynching you because they don't believe that there can be multiple millers.If you are scum=Disc is townIf you are town=Disc is scum
They are lynching me because they are lazy. Very little effort was put behind each vote. If you guys seriously think DD was doing something galaxy brained here, lynching him is based on wifom anyway. Lynching me only has utility if it nips the worry in the butt of "there are two millers one has to be scum" now rather than later on in the game. If mislynching me results in DD's mislynch too, then scum is definitely on or behind both lynches.
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@oromagi
You misunderstand me. My role PM is in spanish, the word 'miller' is in english. You'll see soon when the flip comes I suppose.This sentence is self-contradictory. Was your role written in spanish, ? as you claim in post #6 or was your role in english as you claim here?
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@Vader
"Maria" is not a minor character. There's few minor characters in the show. Did you watch the show or you just going off the wikis? Because the wikis on characters for this show don't do the show any justice.Claudia is such a minor role that how the fuck can you give a Miller claim for lol
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Town is lazy. Supa, singularity, and bullishes vote are the epitome of laziness. So we gon' learn the hard way on this one. Activity is dropping on mafia and people are losing interest after speeds game. My game was trudgingly slow, and this DP people are just taking the easy route. I don't see warrens game doing well either, and am not really tempted to play til people's mafia vigor is back up lol. This is some boring stuff.
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@WaterPhoenix
Hell no. HELL FUCKING NO. If that is the next course of action that defeats the whole purpose of lynching me. We've talked about how the theme encourages multiple millers multiple times. If you guys wanna learn the lesson the hard way by lynching me, I'll tie the noose around me neck, but lynching DD for a second mislynch is just outright stupid. Does DD seem like the type to CC someone like that? Also his character is probably the second or third on the list of main characters, next to pablo and steveWhy are we lynching lunatic, if he's town are we just gonna lynch disc next?
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This is wierd for me to read lol. Alex and Adam are the names of my best friends growing up, and they are also twin brothers.Example: Alex is the cop. Some time during NP1, Alex investigates Adam. This result is randomly sent to any one player except Alex or Adam, in this case Tom. At the beginning of DP2, the result will be given to Tom. Alex does not know whether Adam is innocent or guilty.
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If oro is claiming cali cartel, I have no clue what this theme is. One of the factions at play here could be scum claiming their real roles, but we need to see some flips before we can determine that.
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@oromagi
oro, my role is in spanish, I mentioned this in post 6. Also when drafter asked the question, I first replied "miller" because it is what was in my PM, then noticed he didn't ask for what was in my PM, but asked what the spanish word for miller was, so I googled it back. The exchange was supposed to be humorous.
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It doesn't exist, but I think he was joking.That's interesting is it a scum role?
Hmm ok, looking at the wiki it's that steve murphy guy right?
yes
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Wylted was probably joking I think, I just noticed he said afterwards that he said his real role was actually on drafterslist.
unvote.
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Unvote, Vtl singularity.
He is lying. He is claiming his role is called 'cocaine'. No google result shows cocaine when attached to mafia scum or epic mafia or drafterslist. Pie's OP said roles came from mafia scum or the drafterlist.
GG wylted.
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@ILikePie5
Is your statement in the OP true about all roles being from mafia scum or drafters list? Did you make up any roles?
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@drafterman
Hold the phone, I think Pie just inadvertently reminded me of something, and I think it means Wylted scum slipped. Drafterman, I tried some search terms for language and tried searching under manipulation category but found nothing. Is there a role on your list that forces players to change languages? Because that is what wylted claimed, and pie in the OP said all roles in this came come from your role list or Mafia scum. Do you know of such a role as he mentioned?
Roles have been taken from Drafterman’s list and/or MafiaScum.
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@WaterPhoenix
So far Spanish characters have all had Spanish pms. I think the one American character probably has English pm so I thought that was what supa was claiming
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@WaterPhoenix
Bullish and singularity voting for me because of my claim not behavior. Its retarded. If I'm gonna get lynched id rather it be now whemln we have the mislynches to spare then later on in a mylo/lylo situation. The double miller thing if its gonna be an issue now its gonna be one later so just wanna nip it in the butt. Plus I'm pretty sure DD wouldnt CC me as scum and if one of us has to die id rather it be me.
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Claims
Lunatic- Maria Salazar - Miller (Post 6, DP1)
Speed - Pablo Escobar (post 45, DP1)
DD- Javier Pena- Miller (Post 29, DP1)
Greyparrot - Poison - Mailman (Post 17, DP1)
Wylted- Limon - Langauge enforcer? (Post 89, 97 DP1)
Bullish - Anti- Escobar
Drafterman
Oromagi
WaterPhoenix
Virtuoso
Zaradi
Supa
Lunatic- Maria Salazar - Miller (Post 6, DP1)
Speed - Pablo Escobar (post 45, DP1)
DD- Javier Pena- Miller (Post 29, DP1)
Greyparrot - Poison - Mailman (Post 17, DP1)
Wylted- Limon - Langauge enforcer? (Post 89, 97 DP1)
Bullish - Anti- Escobar
Drafterman
Oromagi
WaterPhoenix
Virtuoso
Zaradi
Supa
So for a few people stating they don't want a mass claim, already half the living player pool have claimed and two of the main characters are already out (DD, and Speed)...
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@drafterman
Limon is kind of "good" initially. His character seems like he was kind of dragged into the whole mess by La Quica, but he's kind of displayed as innocent by the show, until after Maritza dies. He is loyal to Escobar til the end though, so in that right, he fits right in with poison, La quica and Blackie. If you read the wiki it makes him sound a lot worse than he actually is if you seen the show. Not sure if any of this info means anything given we don't know the theme difference.
I'm inclined to think this claim is town, given another of Pablo's bodyguards/assassins (poison) was claimed by greyparrot. Mafia probably aren't just going balls to the walls and claiming their real characters.
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@Vader
Some gay football thingThank god not much. Seems like people were occupying themselves with something else
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@Vader
If your character isn't Spanish that pretty much gives your character away..
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@David
Virt can I replace back in to your spot after I die?
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Screw it, I am fine with being lynched. I would rather not be of course, but I see no way around this not being an argument in literally every day phase until the game ends. Players are so policy driven (a nice way for saying lazy) and doing actual behavioral analysis is too much work for yall. So let's get the mislynch out of the way, we will have 2 more, and I'll try to replace back in as virtuoso or someone else equally as inactive.
VTL lunatic.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Disc Javier was one of the DEA agents who killed grey parrots character (poison) I think thats what you are referring to
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Yes he is the main "villain" or antagonist in the show, though most of the show is also from his perspective and the show tries to make the audience see things from his perspective.Is Pablo Escobar a bad guy? He is mentioned in my PM. I guess I "helped in the dead of his hitmen". I think this means I either helped kill his hitmen or helped cover up the killing of his hitmen or something.
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@Speedrace
This is 2000% not good guys vs bad guys. DD would also be scum under that logic. Pablo escobar is kind of the main bad guy of the show, but he is kind of a loveable bad guy? He's semi considered a "main character" but hes definitely bad. Kind of like walter white in breaking badOk sorry to break up the mass claim but I'm Pablo Escobar, so Bullish being anti-Escobar makes me suspicious
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I worked with Los Pepes, which based on the context of my PM translation seems to be some sort of criminal organization.
Los pepes are kind of like vigilantes. They have good intentions but are brutal
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@Speedrace
I've watched the first two seasons, the logical split would be good guys vs bad guys, but claims so far don't really indicate that its that. Greyparrots claim (if town) is like Pablo Escobar's most ruthless fvcked up assasin. My character is a supporter of Pablo but technically innocent. And DD is one of the two main character 'good guys' and is somehow a miller as well. So on first hand my guess is that the Cali cartel is probably mafia (they take a minor role towards the end of season 2 where pablo dies, but pie said in the sign ups season 3 focuses on them more, and I haven't seen that season), and everyone else is probably town.Do you have an idea of what split will be?
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Btw, fake claiming as miller is pretty damn far from my scum meta. You can dis-regard this as WIFOM or whatever, but I've actually gotten in arguments with fellow mafia members (chaos88) in the past who've wanted to claim miller, just because it's such a dumb fake claim IMO. Further it really doesn't make sense for DD as scum to CC me unless he is a yakuza or bomb and plans on dying tonight anyway, unless this is some galaxy brained move I cannot even begin to understand.
Multiple millers is definitely legit with the theme too.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Btw I am not calling you scum or anything, I definitely buy multiple millers in a theme like this. In fact earlier I called out that if there was a cop, they were probably paranoid or insane. Most of the cops in the show are corrupt. But so are the politicians, goverment, the people, everything. But I am interested in the justification, specifically because Javier Pena is like the main character and probably the "Goodest" of the good guys lol. I remember him being a bit of a sex addict, but he's definitely a few steps away from being the wife a drug lord lol.I am Javier Peña and I am... a Miller
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@Vader
Anyone have objections to mass popcorn claiming? Grey already claimed one of the worst bad guys lol.
Popcorn supadudz
Anyone else who claims outside of the popcorn in voting to lynch. There is no excuse for it now. Grey I'll give a pass because we learned its a scum tell when he doesn't.
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If grey is town then this isn't "good guys vs bad guys" because poison is one bad dude.
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So I watched this show like 3 years ago, so my memory is a bit faint. But I will be re-watching it since it's a good series, and it will help me look at people's potential fake claims closely. But right off the bat, I do remember that alot of the columbian politicians and police were actually paid off by pablo escobar, so unless the cop is actually one of the united states characters, I'd say chances are they could be flavored. Who knows.
I'm not sure what the thematical difference would be either. I'd assume if Pablo Escobar is the bad guy, and this is a typical good guy vs bad guy theme, then Blackie, Poison, and Popeye are good guesses as far as what mafia characters could be. Cali cartel could also be scum. They seem more third party to the main narrative, and dont have a huge role in the show til the end of season 2. Apparently pie says season 3 focuses on them much more but I haven't seen that season.
I don't even recognize my character from the main show, but from my research looks like she isn't in til season 3, the one I haven't watched, and apparently her husband is with another cartel called north valley cartel. Given I am miller and the wife, I can deduce maybe there is scum in the north valley cartel. I really need to watch season 3.
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@ILikePie5
I'll start watching it then
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With 3 mafia looks like we will be afforded 3 mislynches lynches, assuming no succesful protection.
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How do we want to do this? What are peoples thoughts on these mass claims we've been doing lately? I noticed in my game the mass claim pretty much made the janitor role obsolete, which is definitely a plus of mass claims. Narcos, despite being an amazing show, is one I feel like the mafia are going to really have to try and do research on to figure out what characters would equal what role, so that is a benefit too. I'd say if we do it, the only characters that would have to be wary of it would be Javier Pena and Steve Murphy, as the first season kind of focuses around them being the good guys, so it would be obvious they are power roles. So if we do a mass claim, we would just have to acknowledge those claims could hurt us.
But as DD says, lynches win games, not roles. So I am up for whatever. But if we do a claim, we absolutely HAVE to popcorn. I already claimed, so I will start it if at least 4 people agree to it.
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I am going to SOP claim Miller. My character is Maria Salazar. My PM was in spanish, and my role justification is basically that my husband is a Columbia drug lord which paints me as suspicious.
Was thinking of some galaxy brained town gambits to draw the night kill by hinting at a power role, but I am caving because I can see it backfiring. I'll leave the town gambits to speed, since he's the one who's good at them lol.
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@ILikePie5
I love this theme so much
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@ILikePie5
Is the third season worth watching?
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