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@SirAnonymous
uhm, what? That question wasn't directed at you. whoopsies?If you have to ask, I can't explain it to you.
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@Singularity
I feel bad that lunatic believed me. I am not danielle, but I think I am in love with her.
Yeah I should have known you were fibbing. I have danielle on facebook, and she is lesbian. Your past comments seem to indicate you may be straight, but if that was a lie to stay undercover, I guess that would make sense.
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One of my theories on who singularity was, was actually LikeMagic. Close, but no cigar lol. I wish Like Magic was still playing mafia, she was getting pretty good.
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If pie would have claimed role cop like right after I claimed it, I'd be more inclined to believe him. I don't think a wagon of 3 people is justification enough to claim this though. He might actually be role cop though, and mafia.
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@ILikePie5
If your caught up now and know I'm lyncher why claim?I’m Role Cop. Make sense now?
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@Singularity
Yes. I am Danielle
Well shit, hiya. Why the initial anonymity?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Her behavior seems similar as it was in the last game I played with her in where we were both scum. Very over-confident with the illogicality, like she knows she can get away with it.I disagree. 90% of the things she has said she has said have been blatantly incorrect but I don't see anything scummy about anything she said.
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Still think pie is a good option though, the whole catching up thing and pretending like he knew my day role cop was "oppertunistic" is a little "oppertunistic" if you know what I am saying. He was probably caught up already in the mafia PM.
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@Bullish
She probably an old user who idntified as male, but I'll refer to her as a female if that's her preferred pronoun now.Single reminds me of Yama or possibly jiffypop.
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It's really awkward when pie responds to old stuff while catching up. I used to do that on DDO, but then I stopped because it really makes you look foolish when you are posting stuff only to realize it isn't relevant 2 minutes later.
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Other than the whole lover thing with singularity and supa, her behavior is pretty scummy. I am wondering if there might be one town one scum between her and supa. Supa could be town and her mafia, would be an interesting counter balance similar to how me and grey are linked.
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@Speedrace
you still have me on grey and bullish, my last vote was on bullish.
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@SirAnonymous
So now you're stuck in a game you can't win?
Which is fine, I almost opted to go that way anyway. Lynchers are an effortless and boring win. I decided to go with my wincon only to not harm the games integrity.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I'm just gonna sheep you this game, since your my strongest town read atm. I'll vote wherever you want senpai.
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Yeah speed just confirmed with me that all players need to vote, so I guess I lose lol.
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@Singularity
But... If you are convinced this is a bus and we are both scum I won't stop you from convincing the town to vote grey again, and then voting me tomorrow. ;-)
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@Singularity
Actually he could be scum partners with GP and pulled this gambit
I'll take this as a compliment, as it assumes I was more big brained than I actually was. But no, this is not the case. In fact, if I was mafia that is a pretty unnecessarily risky move. I'm not above being risky, but not for no reason. Some town take lynching 3rd parties pretty seriously, regardless of intent to joining them. There was a chance town would have lynched me and my gambit would have resulted in a mafia death, and a greyparrot death when he didn't suicide in a timely manner, under this theory which nets more harm than a simple bus theory does. And greyparrot is not a smart bus target with a claim like that.
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@drafterman
Was quite the opposite of a gloat, I said basically said it was an easy hollow win, and even admitted that I was tempted to just straight up take the L just to play as town. Regardless, I see your point. In 99% of games, though that would have been a win (still might be, I;m asking speed). Yes I should read the OP, better, but I did double check the votes before saying that.You shouldn't gloat until the mod calls it anyway. You never know if someone is popular or if there is something like a governor
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@drafterman
I feel like quickhammers are risky and strategical, which is what makes them fun. Agree to dis-agree I guess.I like the rule because it prevents winning via quick hammers like this and forces scum to play more strategically
Unvote, VTL bullish, following DD's lead in the case of grey not being lynched.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I agree with this and I feel kind of dirty for "tricking" you in such a way but, you know... I got a wincon I need fulfilled.
Getting lynched on anyone is going to be exasperating with this rule of requiring everyone to lynch btw. Drafter does this in his quickfires, and I don't like it there either, but it makes more sense. The games are supposed to be quick so it's more likely to pull off a lynch. But this is going to be excruciating.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I agree with this. I find it extremely annoying when players make assumptions about bastard modding, and complain about balance in the first day phases without full knowledge. Mod can't defend himself either without inadvertently giving something away either, so he's just taking abuse for no reason.Holy crap, it is almost like the whole time me and drafter have been going on about how balance analysis is retar- *ahem* not useful because of the possibility of there being features that town is not aware of was actually fucking spot on.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
So can we stop screwing around now and focus on the bullish vs pie train? Please? Thank you.
I saw your case on bullish, didn't see the one on pie. Brief reminder or link?
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@SirAnonymous
We will see what Speedrace says I guess. I personally think that rule is pretty dumb, and ruins the excitement/strategy around quick hammering, punishing active players with the inactive. Regardless, if I lose i guess I'll take take the 3rd place and try to help town. I almost did that option anyway, and was severely tempted to just straight up claim 3rd party from the get go.Haha! This is so funny. Lunatic just pulled a brilliant gambit that worked, but he just lost because he didn't read the rules.
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@oromagi
There is no actual point to lynching me, even if the hammer somehow didn't go through. If it didn't go through for some reason, I am basically useless and a waste of a lynch, since no one would ever vote grey again now that he's town confirmed.VTL Lunatic
Also why were you in a hurry to hammer despite DD asking to let people post?
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I do sus water and and oro though for not waiting. Grey was clearly going to be lynched, letting a potential yakuza live was never gonna happen, so there wasn't any worry of him not getting lynched. Looked kind of oppertunistic. Extra town read for DD.
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For what it's worth, I will help town get second place though from here on out if you guys want the extra number. Lynching me would be kind of a waste of a player slot. And I don't have to worry about my activity as much now.
Yes, the game will still continue after my victory speed told me.
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@Greyparrot
That's hammer, right? well played, you got me.
Sorry man, I was third party lyncher, you were my target. Your analysis about your link to tchalla was kind of right but in the opposite way lol. I was half considering just coming out clean about being 3rd party lyncher and taking the L, and helping town get 1st, and being okay with 3rd (lyncher role is way too easy IMO, and this kind of a win is void of bragging rights or challenge).
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@WaterPhoenix
Probably but I'm essentially a vanilla now, already used my role so who cares
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@WaterPhoenix
I say role copped him and saw he was a yakuza. He's scum
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@WaterPhoenix
We are 2 votes away still
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This game is definitely swingy with balance, thats for sure. So far it doesnt appear to favor town number wise, but we have no clue what other potential power roles town might have to make up for it. I thought an unblockable role cop was pretty OP when I got my role pm.
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Living players
Waterphoenix
SirAnonymous
Supadudz- Steve Rodgers- Lover (Post 72, dp1)
Ragnar
Greyparrot- Helmut Zemo- Suicidal (Post 13, Dp1)
Singularity- Lover of supa- Bucky Barnes (Post 98, DP1)
Discipulus_Didicit
Drafterman
iLikePie5
Oromagi
Lunatic- Black Panter- 1x Day Role Cop (Post 348, Dp1)
Warren42
Bullish- On captain americas side (Post 62, Dp1)
UVC
Ragnar - 2/7 - drafterman, oromagi
Grey - 5/7 -SupaDudz, Singularity, Pie, SirAnon, Lunatic
Bullish - 1/7 - DD
SirAnonymous-1/7- Bullish
iLikePie5-1/7- grey
Waterphoenix
SirAnonymous
Supadudz- Steve Rodgers- Lover (Post 72, dp1)
Ragnar
Greyparrot- Helmut Zemo- Suicidal (Post 13, Dp1)
Singularity- Lover of supa- Bucky Barnes (Post 98, DP1)
Discipulus_Didicit
Drafterman
iLikePie5
Oromagi
Lunatic- Black Panter- 1x Day Role Cop (Post 348, Dp1)
Warren42
Bullish- On captain americas side (Post 62, Dp1)
Grey - 5/7 -SupaDudz, Singularity, Pie, SirAnon, Lunatic
Bullish - 1/7 - DD
SirAnonymous-1/7- Bullish
iLikePie5-1/7- grey
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Sorry for the lack of posts so far, game went up right as I was going to bed yesterday.
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EVERYONE STOP POSTING FOR A MOMENT.
I am the black panther, a 1x day role cop! I just used my role on greyparrot and found out he is a yakuza!
I have been deliberating on who I wanted to use it on all day, and was initially debating on drafterman, but was leaning on DD since they would be harder for me to figure out later on, also I really wanted DD to be town, since according to statistics he has of late had the best scum read accuracy.
However, with all the doubt on greyparrot and votes on him (I actually town read GP as well because his claim seems stupid for mafia to make) I wanted to make sure of his claim so we can town confirm since mafia likely won't kill him if he's town and will die anyway, and we can not waste a mislynch on him if he is actually suicidal.
Turns out I was wrong. He's scum. Also Yakuza is a brilliant role for him to have claimed, since if he survives today, he can use his role tonight and recruit virtually anyone and force reset everyones reads.
VTL greyparrot!!
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Uh oh, drafter placed an RVS vote supa! Lets lynch him! He never does that!
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@Zaradi
This one was milder than most, but yeah. There's usually a few supa posts in the endgame where he calls everyone bad and doesn't take any responsibility for his part in the game.Well I only had to wait 4 pages for the salty Supa reaction. More of a wait than I thought I'd have to wait, but y'know
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@Speedrace
Yeah it doesn't matter I guess after thinking about it. There will be some day phases I will be active and others where I will put minimal effort in, if I get lynched, I get lynched lol.I could use extra time because I'm struggling with the balance, so if you want a specific date I'm cool with that
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Ragnar has been scum a lot lately. Gonna be a good investigation target for future games.
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@Speedrace
Eh it doesnt matter post it whenever I will try my best to be active either way lol.
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Oh god please don't start it Wednesday lol
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@Pinkfreud08
Added you. You got a lot of hours on team fortress!
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Actually the DP1 mass prez claim could be avoided simply by having 1 more mafia. This way eve if town figured out who all 3 mafia are, they wouldn't be able to lynch them before all the mafia die. Especially since all the town are BP, 6-3 would be a lot more balanced than 7-2 anyway.
Maybe in a forum setting, I saw 3 mafia in a live setting as a bit OP for mafia with only 9 town. Gives the town 3 lynches that they have to be absolutely correct on and mafia only have to guess correctly twice.
The problem is still that the game could end prematurely, and it's almost impossible to reach LyLo. But I suppose it could be a worthy sacrifice once in a while as a novelty game.
The president theme seems to kind of skirt lylo/mylo issues, though it could still happen, it seems more focursed on a one and done type of deal.
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@drafterman
Most set-ups with Presidents also have bombs which introduces a hell of a lot of WIFOM because the Bombs want the Maf to think they are President and get killed.You can add some day-killing abilities as well to make things very interesting.
bombs and killing roles would definitely spice things up
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@Bullish
In a quick fire game, it's not as big of a deal because those can tend to end pretty quick. In larger games, like I described in that hangout, I balanced it by also including a VP that needed to be killed. The mafia had to kill both in order to win.That set up is too swingy. What if the mafia NKs the president on NP1?
Here are some scenarios:
- only 2 bodyguards who knows who the president is (or X bodyguards where X is equal to the number of mislynches minus 1). You could make it so that if both bodyguards guard the president, they both die. No one else except scum know who the prez is.
that variation could work but it would be frustrating if mafia targeted the president correctly multiple times, and was punished because of body guard roles each night only to eventually get lynched. It makes the game a little more role reliant that deduction based, unlike the way I set the game up in that live game.
1 bodyguard and the prez is BP. No one else know who the prez is.
So the only way the president could die is by lynching? That's virtually un-winnable for mafia isn't it?
the prez is declared as IC, and everyone is bodyguard, except for scum, who are fake bodyguard.
Same problem I have with number one. Everyone is just gonna guard the president also, it takes the fun out of mafia trying to guess who the president is and makes the role feel pointless IMO.
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Ever since drafter posted this role in the dart mafia resources thread, I have been trying to think of clever ways to incorporate this role into a mafia game. It seems like a pretty cool concept."President - Each towns person is privately notified of who the President is. If the President dies, the town automatically loses."
I actually tried using this role in a live mafia game the other night. I made every townie bulletproof except for one president and one vice president. The president and vice president knew who each other were, but didn't know who anyone else was. Half the town players knew who the president was. Half the town players knew who the vice president was. Mafia was told they had to kill the president and vice president to win, and was given the layout of the town role PM minus the part telling them who the president/VP was. I thought this was going to be an interesting concept, especially since the only way a player could die is through lynching, thus making a very active game. Seventh instantly suggested all players pre-type out the name they received in their role pm and on the count of three announce who that player is. I actually thought of this scenario before the game started, and figured mafia would just quickly type the names they saw as they were posted only being a split second behind or so. The mafia (airmax and sui_generis) did not opt to do this strategy, and instead tried to guess who was the president, so the plan instantly failed and outted them. I think this concept would work in a forum setting though, since it isn't really possible to get all players to post at the same time like that. and a strategy like that would cause a town loss.
Regardless, I would like to try this role again in maybe a quick fire game sometime, or see mods use it more. I can see some very interesting situations with this, if balanced correctly.
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