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DD is gonna claim that the lack of a night kill confirms his role. Just you watch.
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No kill last night?
So I guess water did kill one of supa or singularity then
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@warren42
yeah I already found it. Gotcha. Thanks
vtl bullish.
Still skeptical of DD.
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There's a 50% chance mafia targeted singularity, in which case he bullish still could be town.
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@SirAnonymous
According to what Speed said, it wouldn't matter whether Singularity was NKed or bombed. The only possible conclusion is that Bullish is lying. He claims to have been RB'ed, but the fact that he didn't know it when he started posting and claimed he had guarded Supa is proof that he did not guard Supa and is therefore a confirmed liar.
But if mafia targeted singularity what would have happened? What post from speed made you guys all think that this would have resulted in a bullish dead?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
You seemed all for the long day phases yesterday, could have tried ending it when I outed GP as scum, but you were encouraging town to milk the rest of the time and we were already about 300+ posts inOkay that is fine you can try to convince town to lynch me tomorrow if mafia is dumb enough to let me live. For now we have confirmed that bullish was lying about his role. If you think I am bussing bullish that's fine idgaf, warren just voted so it is L-1 now. Let's please not have another 1k grind the last one hurt so bad.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
To clarify the above, the sequence of events was as follows:1) Speed confirms BG would hypothetically die in supas place if singu died and BG protected supa
So if Mafia targeted singularity and bullish protected supa, singularity and bullish would have died? Is that what you are saying? If so what led you to this conclusion?
2) bullish says "I did protect speed". Says nothing about being role blocked.
you mean supa
3) Bullish notices the above and says "Oh in that case I guess I was role blocked".4) Siranon asks if notifications are given to those that are roleblocked. Speed says yes.
Yeah I get all this, but I need to understand the point 1 for me to fully say this is a scum slip, because I read the same posts from speed as you guys did but may be mis-understanding how singularity couldn't have been targeted instead which would make it so bullish could still be town.
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Btw I think I read DD as town last DP for the wrong reasons. Initially it was because he was conservative and didn't cast a vote on me and encouraged others to wait the dp out a bit when I outed results on GP, and I figured as mafia he would want to be oppertunistic and get on board. But in hindsight, that doesn't sound like DD at all. DD is smarter than that, and would more likely know as mafia that something was up. Probably sensed a town gambit and didn't want to look scummy.
Drafter's reaction on the other hand was purely town, even acknowledging that GP's behavior didn't make sense for being a yakuza but voting for him regardless because how can you risk letting a yakuza live, and why on earth would scum risk that gambit for a 1 v 1 when it would result in a net loss for mafia..
Also, not only was DD hesitant about lynching pie all DP in spite of what seemed like glaringly scummy behavior to me and others, his post pretending to care about pie's read initially struck me as a bit scummy, especially in light of how he kept saying "he wasn't seeing it", but wanted to appear objective and willing to look into pie, though he really wasn't.
"Pie is still a null read for me and I would like him to hurry up posting his reads so I can tell him how wrong he is even if I agree with him to gauge his reaction. Oops, did I say that last bit out loud?"
Right after a post basically defending him. I just don't get the vibe he was really interested at all trying to gauge a reaction.
Pie gives his reads on post 615, and there is no reaction to them by DD at all. I don't think he gave a rats ass about reading pie's behavior. It could be confirmation bias because he already town read pie, or he was just scum trying to appear objective.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
And I will assume you meant to tag me in the post with my quote instead of oromagi. The answer to your question is yes. Fishing is different than asking for a claim because you scum read someone.
Are you saying oro doesn't scum read you? Why do you think that? Also you can't question someone's character and role if you don't suspect them? People are commonly pressured for a claim so we can remove them from potential suspects or use for POE, not neccesarily because you scum read them. I just think the idea of role fishing purposely isn't a scum tactic I have ever seen talked about in a mafia PM, and often town are behind role fishing.
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Also as far as the scum slip goes how do we know that supa was targetted and not singularity? If singularity was targetted bullish could be town right? Or would he have died in place of both of them? Sorry if this was talked about already and I missed it
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@Discipulus_Didicit
My initial thought on reading the OP was that scum obviously targetted supa/singluarity, it was a guaranteed two kills. Seemed fishy to me if his first thought was that this was waters intention. But yeah, I misunderstood that.Well like he said you were simply misunderstanding what he meant by "killed two town" but that aside I don't understand why it should matter which death was scum murder and which was WP boob-boom. Could you perhaps explain?
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@oromagi
Is role fishing an actual tactic you see scum use on this platform? Town seem to be more role fishy than mafia IMOI don't like that the rest of your post smells like role fishing to determine whether I am a power role that the mafia should worry about or not.
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@SirAnonymous
It matters as far as the case against bullish goes doesn't it?
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@SirAnonymous
Your post 6 made it seem like you thought water killed supa/singlularity. Did you honestly believe that?How about lynching Bullish? We know for a fact that he lied.
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@drafterman
I'm actually more convinced your town now then I was about DD after last DP. You were on pie esrly and til then end. His tells seemed obvious but DD was hesitant the whole time. I'm pledging my vote to you. Not going to be super active. I'm losing so i have no dog in this fight. Tag me when your ready for me to vote and I'll vote however you want.
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Mod confirming sir anonymous as tree stump
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@WaterPhoenix
13 people is tiny as fuck. Look at the 20-30 player games when DDO was in its prime
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@TheRealNihilist
You can throw me in the pro
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@Speedrace
I hope you are having a hell of a time counting these votes. I hope you know this dumb vote rule is also your doing and enjoy this process lol.
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My last vote was on pie.
Just in case, unvote, vtl pie
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Your gonna have a banger of a time applying that logic to greyparrot. Greyparrot is one of the scummiest town players on dart and DDO. I've lynched him for it before, and have gotten in endless arguments about it. He does things that are strange often without explaining (like character claiming or role claiming power roles dp1 without pressure). Greyparrot's brainwaves are on a different stream then most, you either adapt to it, or keep mislynching him as town, because he won't change his playstyle for anyone.That's exactly my point, you can't explain grey's actions unless he's scum. If it walks like a scum and quacks like a scum then it's a scum.
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@Bullish
The one time grey talked he had a deep male voice lol. You might have been hearing britter my gf, she was the only girl in that chat and isnt a dart member.I swear when I was on discord the other day she had a girl voice.
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@Bullish
Your asking me to explain another persons actions. Grey does what grey does. I'm just pointing out that the behavior is similar to other games, contrary to what you said.Explain why then she would say "you got me" before you even claimed lyncher.
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@Bullish
I didn't take a break because I was "mad" wtf? I took a break because my activity levels are gonna be wierd on Thursdays through Saturdays from now on based on my new work schedule. Its why I was reluctant when i signed up for this game.
Also I have no reason to be mad. I fvcked up by not readin its not the mods fault. I still disagree with lynching mechanics though. Also as ive stated I almost didn't play to my wincing from the beginning because lynched are OP.
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@warren42
Unvote vtl warren
What ur thots be bro
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Welcome one and all to the sign ups for my third game on DART! This is a concept i've wanted to do for a year but keep delaying it for excitement about other themes. Well I finally caved and am getting it done. The theme will be roles from past DDO mafia games, and your role pm can be any role that was used in any game going back to when mafia first started on the website!
There will be no 3rd party in this game. There will be two "thematical" differences between mafia and town, things that both affiliations roles will not have in common, so fake claiming and scum hunting will be viable. I have balanced this game for 13 and would prefer not to have the rebalance last minute but will if I must. Thanks in advance for signing up.
All roles from games in this link: http://www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/28126/
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@Barney
What!! All this and a vtnl!? Lmao did you not read either?
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@Vader
How did you update your reads if you havent caught up yet
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@Discipulus_Didicit
My point isn't that you are wrong. My point is that you appear to be intentionally misrepresenting GPs style in order to push a narrative that is, frankly, pretty laughable.
I was thinking it, and you said it lol.
Also the stuff about GP's passive attitude is very true, and can be seen in very recent games (like vitrs game where he wanted to get lynched just to try and prove me wrong). Grey doesn't care about getting lynched. He never has over the top reactions.
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@Speedrace
That didn't cross my mind. However, the purpose of it is up prevent quick hammering and make all parties actually think and play in order to win.
Quick hammering is a common scum tact and takes organization, timing, and communication. It prey's on the town's lack of awareness, and is very much a strategy that requires thinking and focus. This rule caters to town players, and everyone whose town in this game has an obligation to agree with it or look scummy, but I wonder if the mafia think differently.
I suppose I could change the rule of people want that (it's only DP1 after all) but I think only a couple of people are against it
If you change the rule then you 100% have to lynch greyparrot, or that is cruelly unfair to me.
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That was a pretty crappy reason, I would be angry anyway.
Everyone sees the world through a different lens. My distaste for third parties has been expressed multiple times in the past, and I haven't actually used one in a game I've modded in ages, specifically because their win cons are usually OP or underpowered. At it's core, this game is and should be town vs scum. When I was on mafiascum playing games I noticed they rarely had 3p's in them and started realizing that 3rd parties in every game is more of a DDO thing than anywhere else.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
If there was a large interval between the original claim and the second one I would totally agree with you. It was only a few minutes though and the fact that he acted surprised comes off to me as him mistakenly thinking he already did (if it was in fact the case that he intentionally did not then why would he act surprised? In that scenario he would know that he had not).
Maybe I just interpreted his reaction as more defensive and accusatory then it was intended. Again I realize this is a WIFOM-y argument, mostly based on a gut feel.
Lastly the idea that he intentionally hid his character as scum seems silly due to the fact that in this game there is no character-afiliation link.
This wasn't my argument, I don't think he was trying to hide his character. I am focused solely on the feaux seeming suprise reaction to bullishes asking where his claim was.
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@ILikePie5
The whole interaction with bullish seemed a bit defensive by puttinf the blame on him for "glossing over it" when it was clearly just a soft claim.And I wasn’t being rude nor angry. I simply said I think you glossed over. But then I went on to repeat the stuff I thought I said. Defensive would be something along the lines of go read bro.
Rude or angry isn't really what I was trying to go for. I don't think you were personally offended about anything. It's more like if you get caught fibbing or telling the half truth, and trying to defend a half truth by insinuating it was a full truth seems like something a guilty person would do out of instinct.
I think I’ve said multiple times, I hate playing games where there are no fun roles for me. Ask Supa, Speed, couple other folks. As I mentioned earlier, I’m by no means confirmed, nor can I be confirmed in the future.
This point wouldn't bar you from being scum though, and if anything would explain maybe being more excited about this game if you were scum.
I realize these aren't aren't hitting points, and just behavioral WIFOM. I'm just explaining why I feel these vibes
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@Bullish
Speed, this all-must-vote rule is dumb. If town comes to a consensus and decides to lynch someone, then that person should be lynched. Instead, town has to twiddle their thumbs for 2 days if the lynch target simply decides to not vote.
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@WaterPhoenix
Lunatic would also be fucking livid if he lost because of Speed's dumb voting rules. Yet he remains cordial. That's some BS.yeah I agree with you on that one, I thought lunatic's reaction would be a bit bigger.
I did express some dismay about the lynching mechanics, but ultimately not worried about the outcome because I partially wanted to assist town anyway. brain cell in my mind wanted to just come out as TP in my first post and take the loss and confirm grey and work with town, because you saw how easy that lynch would have been if the mechanics were normal. It would be a hollow victory, and ultimately pretty lame.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Its more about how he seemed coy and defensive and easy to put the blame on bullish for missing it. Seems like a townie would have just said okay I'm rhodey and left it st that.
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@ILikePie5
You acted surprised that he said you didn't claim, which you didn't. A soft claim isnt a claim. The whole interaction with bullish seemed a bit defensive by puttinf the blame on him for "glossing over it" when it was clearly just a soft claim. That combined with the role claim of a powerrole because of 3 votes... That and this oppertunistic oppertunistic thing I'm just feeling scum vibes
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Also still think there may be alt accounts up in this game *looks around room suspiciously*
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DD I'm really feeling pie scum vibes rn lol.
Vote him with me?
Vtl pie
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@ILikePie5
You said you were in the armed forces, not that you were rhodey
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@ILikePie5
Post 517 and 525 no character in there. Might have been talking about your claim in the mafia pm and got confused. I understand man, it happens.
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@ILikePie5
You glossed over it, but I’ll say it again. I’m Rhodey. I’m in the armed forces and Speed said that he wanted to hit the hay
He didnt gloss over it. You didnt claim those initally just armed forces. Why are we being manipulatively defensive?
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Did someone just post from the wrong account lol
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