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@SirAnonymous
okay, well I like that answer. Makes me feel less unsure about you. Gonna stick to the logic on this one though, and stay with the testing of the lynchproof.
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@SirAnonymous
VTL DrafterI just don't see any way he can be telling the truth about roleblocking me. He has to be lying.
If you think the logical think from an outside perspective is to self lynch, self voting is probably the best bet.
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@SirAnonymous
Well, I'm still shell-shocked after Bullish flipped town, and I thought he was scum based on an apparent lie. I'm worried drafter could go the same way. Unlike Bullish, however, I don't see how there are any ways drafter could be telling the truth, so he pretty much has to be scum. Still, Bullish flipping town has severely shaken my confidence in my own logic.
Could have been some role mafia has, I wouldn't stress about it too much. The bullish thing looked pretty bad, especially in light of the mod confirming all the mechanics of BG. As mod, he probably shouldn't have answered most of those, because it was really the hammer in the nail based on a mostly WIFOM case on bullish. We'll find out what happened soon. Not every situation is going to be like that though, and one of ragnar or drafter stopped a kill last night, if you weren't role blocked then you should know it's drafter if your town.
From my seat though, it looks a bit weird. I have to buy that drafter bussed pie from the beginning of the day phase and fully intended on lynching pie just for town cred (which he didn't really get from anyone other than me so far anyway). I also have to buy that drafter was so eager to get a mislynch and end this thing that he is pulling the roleblocker gambit just to rush this game. At the end of the day, if your lynch proof and willing to let us test it, I saw we go with that option, and if your still alive tomorrow it will look bad for drafter. However if drafter is scum and also okay with this plan, I am low-key worried there is some trick up his sleeve and he knows the game ends tonight.
If I'm being real honest my gut still is ringing that scum is you and DD, but I don't trust that fully, so I think VTNL is still the best option.
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@drafterman
Sorry if I missed it, Ima scatter brain today. But why did you target SA np1?
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@SirAnonymous
Kinda surprised you aren't making a bigger deal out of thatWell, I could go along with a drafter lynch. He lied about RB'ing me.
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@drafterman
Nvm you posted it already
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@drafterman
Role justification for hawkeye being role blocker?
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Well damn ragnar then could have blocked the night kill on DD instead of drafter blocking it. Ragnars claim is redundant if he is scum with drafter though. So now this makes drafter look scummier.
SA lynch still seems most logical. What if he is mafia and 1 shot lynchproof?
The roleblock/doctor dynamic is gonna be confusing. For some reason Scarlett witch as doctor makes sense to me though.
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@Barney
Win or loss comes second to having fun. On a side note though water may have been responsible for killing supa and SA. Not sure how that would have worked still but obviously bullish should have died if they were nk targets
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I think this plan naturally gets us to DP5. Assuming there is a succesful night kill tonight and SA is guilty and lynched,
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2-3-1
Someone gets results from DD so we can know if he is telling the truth, and someone will claim if roleblocked to see if it aligns with who drafter said. Based on the results or lack there of, we hopefully lynch a scum. Might already be afforded a DP5 if SA was guilty anyway, but in the off chance both players results check (drafter and DD) then we have a confirmed scum between ragnar warren and oro (whoever wasn't killed between them) and can almost lynch randomly. We do have to question the role confirmation = affiliation confirmation thing with DD though. If drafter is town roleblocker, I don't see why DD couldn't be a scum investigative role. If we lynch correctly this dp we get to DP5 regardless, or its a loss. Kind of a tight spot regardless but less tight than today.
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He should randomize roleblock between warren oro ragnar
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Oh I missed te part where SA claimed lynchproof. We should try lynching him.
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@drafterman
Not unwilling to lynch him but results of yours seems to indicate one of either you or DD is more likely confirmed scum, doesnt make sense to lynch him first.
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@drafterman
What do you think of that plan?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
vtnl sounds best. POE us down one more if drafter doesnt target dd (would be stupid if heel did) and we can potentially get comedian results to role confirm DD. Drafter should randomly roleblock one of Warren, sir, ragnar or oro
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One of Ragnar Warren and oro also could scum. We could VTNL and POE it one less tomorrow but we're still gonna be in much the same tight spot as we are now. Might as well choose between the two to them this phase I guess.
Sirs answer will be interesting.
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This doesn't help. There is 2 scum. If sir is scum with drafter hes gonna say yes. If hes scum with DD hes gonna say no to make drafter look bad. This is gonna come down to behavior.
Is drafter the type to bus pie as hard as he did DP1? Maybe but he generally Wifom argues against being the bussing type but usually as town. I have a hard time seeing drafter bussing but we haven't seen him as scum since dark crystal
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@SirAnonymous
Did you get a roleblock message np1?
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Shit this is MYLO then with 4 - 2 - 1. One mislynch and succesful night kill is a mafia win.
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If DD is scum sir is looking like last scum behavior wise
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@drafterman
Good point. Should have thought of that as suspicious on its own right before you even claimed RB.
Vtl dd
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I keep fluxuating between wanting to care about this game, and not giving fvck what happens lol. The mechanics of the game go against the grain in almost every way of how I usually mod lol.
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@Speedrace
What did I do to make you hate me speed? Luna is not feeling the love this game.Lol read peeps
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Regardless, I don't see how lynching me provides any benefit, unless you think I somehow stand to gain from trying to side with mafia even if it essentially is a VTNL.
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@Speedrace
DD's question was different than mine though didn't he?. He asked about 3-2-1, not 2-2-1Above
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@SirAnonymous
Then you are lying. Literally right after you made this post, speed confirmed that 2 maf, 2 town 1 third equals LYLO meaning I count as town numbers.
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@Speedrace
Do you balance third party as town numbers like most mods do? what happens in a 2 mafia 2 town 1 3rd party scenario? Does mafia win, or is this MYLO?
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epicmafia.com/role/55328Derp. Supa changed the mechanics in his game
the role here doesn't indicate the results are sent to the actual player. Have you played this role on epic mafia and confirmed this is how it functions? Drafter actually probably knows the answer to this best.
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@SirAnonymous
That was a short NP. Now it's MYLO. It's SoP to to vtnl here. I wondering if we could lynch Lunatic instead of vtnl'ing. It would have the same effect, since he isn't town.
It's not MYLO. why do you think it is?
7 players left, 2 scum, 4 town 1 third party (count me in as town numbers for the sake of simplification since mafia have to consider to kill or mislynch me too to have majority)
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5 v 2
ML, nk (lynching me also counts the same as mislynching as far as hurting town numbers)
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3v 2
Now we are at mylo and VTNLing here makes sense. (Lynching me here also means town lose).
I am confirmed 3rd party, and basically count towards town numbers. Lynching me is a net loss for town. I don't even care if I die, since I've already lost. You think you can get me lynched, by all means. I am just pointing this out to prove that scum benefit more from my lynch, since there is no way I would know how to ally with them except for potentialy in LYLO situation where scum fessed up and begged me to join them in which case they would have to hope I would comply with them over town. I wouldn't do this, but also mafia would have to desperately hope I would want to to win anyway.
I am point this out to say that lynching confirmed third party does not benefit town from a logical perspective. You are either innocently overlooking this fact, or your intention is to essentially mislynch and hurt the town by bringing them to LYLO next phase.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I did scum read you for behavior already, it's why I was expecting this role confirmation you've been waving around for two day phases to be something believable. Take it as an insult if you want, my suspicion on you isn't based on decision I think a stupid scum would make, just a panicked potentially rushed decision. Or maybe a decision they thought was ground breaking and confirmable that others just don't see. It's not implying you are stupid or bad, but everyone views the world through a different lens. The case against you is as WIFOM as the defense against it, ultimately it's gonna depend on whether or not other people find this claim and your behavior suspicious anyway.Idgaf what you find strange. If you want to scum read me for behavior that's cool but if you are going to imply that I am so bad at playing scum that I would fake claim a role I never even heard of without taking my own advice in post 142 of last DP then that is quite frankly insulting.
I don't want to tunnel vision here either, but I can't help but feel scum vibes from you the same way I did pie, and I was right on that gut read. We will see what others think.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I did scum read you for behavior already, it's why I was expecting this role confirmation you've been waving around for two day phases to be something believable. Take it as an insult if you want, my suspicion on you isn't based on decision I think a stupid scum would make, just a panicked potentially rushed decision. Or maybe a decision they thought was ground breaking and confirmable that others just don't see. It's not implying you are stupid or bad, but everyone views the world through a different lens. The case against you is as WIFOM as the defense against it, ultimately it's gonna depend on whether or not other people find this claim and your behavior suspicious anyway.Idgaf what you find strange. If you want to scum read me for behavior that's cool but if you are going to imply that I am so bad at playing scum that I would fake claim a role I never even heard of without taking my own advice in post 142 of last DP then that is quite frankly insulting.
I don't want to tunnel vision here either, but I can't help but feel scum vibes from you the same way I did pie, and I was right on that gut read. We will see what others think.
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@Zaradi
Depends on when you consider DDO to be in it's prime I guess. Check out the first 20 or 30 games on the archives.20-30 is a bit of an exaggeration
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1. SA
2. Supadudz
3. oromagi
4. DD
5. iLikePie5
6. drafterman
7. waterphoenix
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btw if I was mod here I would refuse to answer both of these questions, but I am not gonna stop speed from giving more information if he's willing, especially given he has been pretty good with answering questions in the past couple day phases.
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@Speedrace
Do you change the mechanics of a role ever based on how you think a role should work, or do all roles you have in the game function based on your understanding of them working normally?
(speed answering yes to the first won't reduce my suspicion on DD, but it would be good to know regardless)
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I doubt he is gonna answer a question that confirms or doesn't confirm how a potentially hypothetical role works in the game.Do you really want to play the "hey speed here is a hypothetical question for you" game with me on this?
Maybe you aren't lying though. I just find the mechanics of your role a bit strange, considering the game that just barely happened. Speed being new to modding, seems weird he would switch mechanics up like that when he literally just saw how that role functioned in a different game.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Also why would it matter that the person you sent the joke to is town? You think if you sent it to someone who is scum they are gonna deny they got a joke? Would look mighty scummy for them to claim they didn't get the joke, just for you to potentially die and reveal you are actually comedian, or for someone else to get a result.
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Thats not how that role works. Bullish had that role two games ago, his targets did not receive jokes only he did. Speed was in that game. He purposefully changed the mechanics so that it would role confirm a player? Why would he do that? And if he did do that why would he make that person town, that is an easy way to rage the mafia team lol
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Comedian is an investigation role, and he used it on someone he thought was confirmed town np1, and the only clsimed 3rd party dp2. What results could he have gotten to help further the towns interests?
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VTL DD
Dude lied for 2 day phases about having a confirmable role. I think he actually planned something different initially around the missing night kill but backed out when I called it out lol.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Why did you think this role would confirm you by targeting GP? If GPs role was revealed to you as one of the three jokes, it would co nfirm GP as not scum to you but wouldnt confirm it to amyone else. Plus you claim you already town read GP so confirming him to yourself doesnt do much.
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Also how did you think this would role confirm you by targeting GP? Someone who already claimed... Also comedian role doesnt confirm shit you could have easily claimed to have targeted a mafia buddy, make up three roles and have your scum mate say he is one of them.
How would you have been role confirmed
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@Discipulus_Didicit
There was a comedian in the last game too. Can you explain how your role works according to speeds vision of it
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@Speedrace
That strategy will never work again and I wasted it on a quick fire game lol
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Also when he does please take it with a grain of salt lol. I forfeited 3 night kills as mafia to confirm myself once.
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