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Drafter making correct calls: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3510/south-park-mafia-dp3?page=3&post_number=52
Drafter calling every scum out, only wrong about press: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3510/south-park-mafia-dp3?page=12&post_number=285
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@ILikePie5
I don't think drafter did horrible at all, he called out every scum in like dp2 or 3. I'll have to find his post. Maybe he just wasn't that good at selling his case, but he was right about most of the scum.
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@Speedrace
btw guys we were going to bus me and singularity. I was supposed to get lynched but then all of you guys said how town I was and I was like wtf
Speed wanting to lynch singularity and selling everyone that singularity was scum acheieved the same effect, so we were cool with it lol and wanted to keep speed alive for that reason.
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@Speedrace
Our janitor was useless, since supa didn't know that janitored roles stay janitored after one DP. All we had was one godfather one roleblock.
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@drafterman
This is why you vtnl in a situation like this
We would have just forfeited, since pie was sold on you.
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lmaoI'm not sure Lunatic could come up with the plan to reverse psychology everyone to confirm you, but I dunno...but I'm leaning drafter over you lol
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I've only modded 4 games. 0 on DDO, 4 here. Give me a fucking break. I was never taught about how to run mechanics and learned from myself. Just because you were a tough vet at the game doesn't mean you have to bitch all the time
You've been playing the game for 2 years... I am sorry I am being a dick, but look at it from my perspective, putting in all the hard work to be lynched because of a mod slip
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@Vader
less information is always best, or answer "I'm not answering" you can never go wrong with that. Confirming you know or don't know what a role is, is inappropriate. Also if you absolutely have to give information, tell the player to message you privately instead of giving out info in the dp. I figured you weren't new enough to know all this.
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@Vader
mod kill me, bastard mod. Keep mod confirming people lol.
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/out, taking a break from mafia
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You don't know anything about the theme though. Cartman being cop is literally accurate from one episode, in 90% of circumstances of modding, he would be made mafia.Cartman matches Cop, whatever Press was matches Suicide Bomber lol what are you talking about
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@Speedrace
Give me one good reason to lolBullish's claim is way better than yours (comedian which PERFECTLY matches Jimmy), an added flare of even day, AND he was right about Oro, plus his role is weirdly messed up just like Pie
He literally talked about how he wouldn't die all last dp to set himself up with an excuse as to why he would still be alive as a power role. My claim is literally almost neck to neck with yours if your going to talk about claims being stronger. No one else has character claims matching a role but bullish. It's too good to be true.
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If I am lynched town loses. I don't know anyone would believe bullish over me, but I know drafter is gonna get on and hammer, me so looks like town loses this one.
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@Bullish
lmao thats a lie. Im vanilla.
VTL bullish.
convienent you didn't die
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good shit on singlurity. Slightly sus of pie and bullish for opting for the no lynch, when singularity should have been roleblocked. Results bullish?
We are still MYLO guys. Unless were sure about mafia, no lynch seems best option today.
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@Zaradi
You have been night killed. Thanks for playing!
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@Speedrace
You claimed that you were roleblocked DP2 because supa made a mod slip.I didn't claim RB????
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He said it was a mod mistakeHe can't claim RB he was never dreamer in the first place
hy would you even say he was RB'd unless you RB'd him, he's literally BP.
he claimed rb
Also my role is not a visit so traditionally it shouldn't even be RBable.
did supa tell you it was un rb able
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@Bullish
Speed also claimed roleblock, so at least two shot. If your even night, there was no one to roleblock last night
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@Bullish
Except I get results and I want them results
This is sooo sus of you to say. If you were town you would know would be night killed or roleblocked, barring singularity being town (which is very unlikely based on not being roleblocked yesterday), means you are probably scum with singularity. There is literally 0 reason mafia didn't roleblock singularity unless mafia is incompetent.
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@drafterman
Yeah I actually agree with this. Almost no point to no lynching.
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@ILikePie5
Why is everyone town confirming drafter? This town is gonna let him skate to the endgame. GG.You’ve been saying this since DP1 bro. Hella sus.
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@Bullish
@ILikePie5
@oromagi
@WaterPhoenix
Vote singularity
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@drafterman
I'm not getting lynched. Hey look, I can do it too.
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Yeah, we know there is a roleblocker, and if singularity wasn't blocked, she is most definitely scum. Going with speed on this one. VTL singularity.
We have to lynch drafter tomorrow.
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@ILikePie5
My experience of oro has been that hes usually inactive post day phase 1. I was pretty frustrated with him in the office mafia for it. He posts just enough to not be replaced but not be considered inactive
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The only other thinking I can Wifom for in favor of singularity being town is that drafter has been suspicious of her since dp1 and I'm pretty darn sure drafter is scum. He could have been creating distance between her though, so it's not a particularly strong Wifom argument but something that will nag at me. Still, I think its more likely a scum gambit to get what they thought would be an easy win. On the bright side this makes the rest od the games POE pretty simple. Im considering speed confirmed town based on the BP thing. I suppose there is a chance that singularity blocked the kill on go np2 but I doubt that. If it was Between pie and bullish I am leaning pie is town, and if they are both town then its oro, drafter, and singularity/water whoever we find out it is after deliberating and hopefully choosing correctly this ohase.
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@ILikePie5
Problem is mislynch and lose tonight. Its very convenient we get results at this stage of the game. We have to evaluate this carefully, 50/50 shot of catching scum or losing the game.
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@Speedrace
I'm leaning singularity being scum too but I want to think about this a bit because water hasnt been playing crazy townie like either. Really all singularity has going for her is the character claim.
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Yeah scum results at mylo are convienent. I'll have to ponder this
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Reposting
Case against drafter shortened-
1. Drafter participates in a self admitted bad strategy of claiming with no pressure
Drafter has openly criticized the act of claiming without very much pressure or none at all. In fact this ended up being one of the major reasons he psuhed a lynch on SA in the office, and in dark crystal it was a point of critic for the town from him about how all the vanillas claimed early and made it obvious as to who the power roles were. When questioned about why he claimed, he is now saying that it is "status qou".
Except is the status quo. We're in a game were, in DP1, unprompted, the doctor/watcher, cop, and dreamer all claimed.
First of all, I don't think it was every unanimously established and agreed upon that claiming without pressure is status qou. Second, look at the people who claimed lol. Greyparrot is hardly one to be surprised about doing something silly and un-predictable in a mafia game, we now know Speed was just doing it as a gambit to bait the nk, and he was suspicious of singularity (and GP at this time for that matter), so out of the three people he mentioned that did it with no pressure, he suspected two of them at the time, and the other was lying. It's more likely he claimed early out of panic, or hope that it would give him town cred, given bullish was the only one pushing his lynch at this time.
2. The hypocrisy of his toaster defense.
I'll preface this by saying this is a point that drafter continues to ignore, and I think it's because it's one of the one's that implicates him heaviest. On christmas day, less than two weeks ago, he made the statement: This is a common refrain. An active town will eat itself in the presence of inactive scum. Inactives should always be pressured. The fault lies in Supas complete and utter overreaction as well as the veterans (myself included) that allowed ourselves to get distracted by it. I remember thinking Supa was town, but ultimately just got fed up with his behavior and actually forgot about my town read.
Lynch all inactives.
But now in DP2 he defended irontoaster's inactivity, as if his inactivity wasn't enough to lynch him. He continuously brought up that I should be lynching him instead (which you can see how well that's been going so far, as I've been literally trying since the start of the DP3), and that toaster was obviously town. He went as far as to say that the people who wagoned the toaster lynch were idiots for not seeing it. Why is that? What had toaster done that was so townie? He made 4 posts DP1 and when he finally responded in DP2 to the pressure, all he did was OMGUS the people pushing him for inactivity, despite being apologetic about it in DP1. Drafter had no reason to think toaster was town, and statements he made saying he knew he was town, only implicate him further. He could only have known toaster was town, if he was indeed scum, and it appears he is using toasters flip as a weapon, which is the same scum tactic that I caught warren42 with in Virtuoso's mafia game.
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@Singularity
I'm praying you watched greyparrot last night, since you didn't protect him. If not you will need to explain why, and I will be highly suspect of you.
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RIP our cop.
Also really don't understand why press would have claimed Mr.Phathead as a character claim. He's been following a wierd trend of doing odd things in games with 0 explanation. We will have to start considering this in the future with press.
So, if there is 3 mafia left, if we mislynch today, the game is over unless singularity correctly protects the night kill. If there is 2 mafia left we have another mis-lynch. The best option today would probably be a no lynch, or a lynch on drafter, who I am like 85% sure is scum.
That said, we absolutely cannot mis-lynch.
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@SirAnonymous
Last question: Social Security number, Mother's maiden name, and 3 digit code on the back of your credit card? JK JK lol
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@SirAnonymous
No worries, I understand hahaI regret to say that wild zontars could not make me answer the first six questions, although I'm not in any way offended by you asking them. I just don't give out that kind of personal information.
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@SirAnonymous
What's your age? (If not comfortable sharing, maybe like an age range IE 20's, 30's, 40's)
Are you in a relationship? If so married?
Kids?
Any college history?
What is your job?
Rich, poor, or middle class?
Introvert, extrovert, somewhere inbetween?
Favorite historical time period to learn about?
Favorite Movie/television show?
Do you play video games? If so favorite genre, or game titles?
Watch sports? If so favorite sport?
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@Imabench
I feel like even if we are lucky enough to not have any dead soldiers, Trump's impulsive nature will result in a counter attack.
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@SirAnonymous
Were you a previous debate.org user?
What made you come to DART?
Whats your favorite aspect of the site (IE social networking, debating, forums, mafia, etc)?
What's your political identity?
Are you religious?
Favorite hobbies?
Does pineapple belong on pizza?
Thoughts on Iran attacking US military bases?
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Guys please help me lynch drafter tomorrow.
unvote, vtl pressFforRespect.
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Case against drafter, the short version
1. Drafter participates in a self admitted bad strategy of claiming with no pressure
Drafter has openly criticized the act of claiming without very much pressure or none at all. In fact this ended up being one of the major reasons he psuhed a lynch on SA in the office, and in dark crystal it was a point of critic for the town from him about how all the vanillas claimed early and made it obvious as to who the power roles were. When questioned about why he claimed, he is now saying that it is "status qou".
Except is the status quo. We're in a game were, in DP1, unprompted, the doctor/watcher, cop, and dreamer all claimed.
First of all, I don't think it was every unanimously established and agreed upon that claiming without pressure is status qou. Second, look at the people who claimed lol. Greyparrot is hardly one to be surprised about doing something silly and un-predictable in a mafia game, we now know Speed was just doing it as a gambit to bait the nk, and he was suspicious of singularity (and GP at this time for that matter), so out of the three people he mentioned that did it with no pressure, he suspected two of them at the time, and the other was lying. It's more likely he claimed early out of panic, or hope that it would give him town cred, given bullish was the only one pushing his lynch at this time.
2. The hypocrisy of his toaster defense.
I'll preface this by saying this is a point that drafter continues to ignore, and I think it's because it's one of the one's that implicates him heaviest. On christmas day, less than two weeks ago, he made the statement: This is a common refrain. An active town will eat itself in the presence of inactive scum. Inactives should always be pressured. The fault lies in Supas complete and utter overreaction as well as the veterans (myself included) that allowed ourselves to get distracted by it. I remember thinking Supa was town, but ultimately just got fed up with his behavior and actually forgot about my town read.
Lynch all inactives.
But now in DP2 he defended irontoaster's inactivity, as if his inactivity wasn't enough to lynch him. He continuously brought up that I should be lynching him instead (which you can see how well that's been going so far, as I've been literally trying since the start of the DP3), and that toaster was obviously town. He went as far as to say that the people who wagoned the toaster lynch were idiots for not seeing it. Why is that? What had toaster done that was so townie? He made 4 posts DP1 and when he finally responded in DP2 to the pressure, all he did was OMGUS the people pushing him for inactivity, despite being apologetic about it in DP1. Drafter had no reason to think toaster was town, and statements he made saying he knew he was town, only implicate him further. He could only have known toaster was town, if he was indeed scum, and it appears he is using toasters flip as a weapon, which is the same scum tactic that I caught warren42 with in Virtuoso's mafia game.
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@Speedrace
He also caved to drafter pretty easily, after being against him the first two day phases, same with bullish. I don't like it.I don't like how Grey switched off of Press so easily...he was all about lynching Press
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I had two people say Butters is evil, and I was told he was Cartman's henchman. For Kyle, he said it was about the Jewish thing, and the second person said Kyle isn't evil at all. I believe the second person also said Towelie wasn't evil either. Butters was the only one they agreed on
Literally butters is the most innocent kid on the show. He plays a bad guy in a game of pretend with his friends, that's the closest justification I can think of to him being "evil".
And yeah he was Janitored. I was just wondering if the pm was edited... Janitors can't edit so I guess not but still
I think most people would think that's a stretch, but I can actually buy that lol. I can't think of any other reason virtuoso would no longer be janitored. But I don't see the point in why they would make him just a town vanilla, unless he had a power role that they stole, but the mass claim DP1 pretty much forced most power roles out so that doesn't make sense. I can't wrap my head around what mafia is doing with that.
Also I hear you on Jimmy matching comedian too well. What do you think about Cartman matching Cop? The person I know said they match A LOT
He is a cop (hall monitor I believe?) in one episode, it's where his famous line "respect my authoratai" comes from. That's the extent of the cop justification I can think of.
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@drafterman
Yeah it's really annoying when someone makes good points, and shuts your bad arguments down all the time. Makes it really hard when your mafia and trying to push a narrative. It's definitely easier to avoid responding to the arguments, and make broad statements about the townie pushing your lynch and hope no one catches on. Luckily for you that's precisely what seems to be happening, and you may just ride this thing out til the end.Because active scum is worse than inactive scum. And Luna is more annoying.
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@Greyparrot
Am I on that list simply because drafter reads me, who you are now buddying? lolIf we dont lynch Press f4, who would be your next preferred lynch between water,luna, and singularity?
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