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By 1 v 1 do you mean "lynch me and if I flip town you get lynched" lol even if I agreed to that to get you lynched and was wrong and you were town I wouldn't willingly let myself get lynched but I would tell you that if it meant you sped your lynch up by voting yourself.
So lets do it. "1v 1"
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@Greyparrot
I'm pretty unphased by it. You were just as big a psrt of that loss if not more of one then I was lol. Literally 0 room to talk homie.
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@Greyparrot
Then why would vig be retarded for killing speed?
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@WaterPhoenix
We are assuming he was trying to draw the night kill by claiming to be vigilante
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If grey flips scum I'll also suspect Warren. He was also floating the idea of speed being vanilla last dp.
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@WaterPhoenix
I don't presume to know who was killed by anyone. Grey is calling vig retarded cuz he thinks vig killed speed even though it was "obvious" that speed was trying to counter the night kill. Also convienently their was another kill besides speed. He was gloating his kill on oro and Accidentally scum slipped lol
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If his scum slip didnt convince you guys, his instant counter omgus vote seems pretty damning lol.
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@Greyparrot
Nice more omgus. Sounds like something you would do.
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@WaterPhoenix
He said "its obvious speed was protecting real vig" roght after that.
Also why would he assume that speeds plan would only fool the mafia? The whole situation screams inside knowledge.
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@WaterPhoenix
He caught himself after. His first post showed conviction amd inside knowledge. Why didnt he assume mafia took the bait? He was basically gloating lol
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@Greyparrot
Your assuming you know what the vig did and why. Your first post indicates exactly why. Because you had inside information and were basically gloating about it haha.
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@Greyparrot
Also if you wanna talk about mislynching, your vote was on a townie for 90% of that game. You were utterly useless and imo probaboy the biggest factor to towns loss.
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@Greyparrot
Ok vig is retarded, and town's in big doo doo.
Where is the if here? That third post was you catching yourself lol. At extra lulz at the omgus.
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My first thought was that mafia killed speed and vig shot oro lmao. Speed was obviously dead after last dp. Even if it was obvious to you grey, assuming the vig did shoot him, why did you think that plan of his would only somehow magically fool mafia?
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@Barney
@Vader
@warren42
@PressF4Respect
Grey scum slipped lets lynch his ass
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Nice scum slip. How do you know vig shot speed instead of oro? Kinda tried to catch yourself in that thirs post but the conviction with those first two was basically bragadacious lol. If you knew he was town protecting vig your first thought should have been mafia f'ed up. Also the fact that you seemingly knew he was town protecting vig nakes sense why there there was a second kill. Just showed your whole hand scum.
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@drafterman
Sounds like a cool idea, hope to see it in motion.
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If anyone is interested in trying mafia, even if we can't get enough for a beginners series, feel free to join one of the upcoming sign ups so we can start getting new players. It's a pretty fun pass time.
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@oromagi
Honestly, I understand where you are coming from. For example, I think it would be cool to run a series of games based strictly on drafters open set up for quick fires. I feel like it would be a cool baseline for forming metas based on familiar patterns, as a core game design running along side normal-hosted mafia games.
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@Greyparrot
Neutral roles? Those like roles that can be town and mafia? or third party?
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@ethang5
This was your experience in a normal game or a beginners game?
The goal of the beginners game is to warm new players up to the normal games, that way the situation you described doesn't occur. This is what drafter of course is proposing, bringing back the old beginners system to get more people into it. New players are generally welcomed in normal games too, however it is a common strategy to put pressure on new players early, as in the past they have been prone to "noob slip" as mafia (basically make a mistake based on inexperience to indicate that they aren't town).
If people were just being jerks to you about not having knowledge of the game when you were clearly new, you might have just joined a weird one. The group we have now is pretty good, I feel like they wouldn't do that. I would at least discourage that behavior.
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@Vader
@PressF4Respect
Where did pressF post his sign ups? Supa put him under sign ups
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@SirAnonymous
You have to wait in line it could be a few months before it's your turn
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@SirAnonymous
You can sign up to be a mod via this list, ya know
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I am interested in the mafia communities opinion on this matter, because my opinion has sort of changed on the subject. I used to prefer better balance but lately I think I like the idea of role crazy a little bit. I mean I think every mod should strive to balance the game as much as possible, and at least try not to leave one side a glaring strength or weakness. But it's rare that it won't be argued in an endgame that a game isn't balanced anyway.
Would you rather have an all vanilla/goon game (which I guess is as close as you can get to perfect balance) or a game where most or all players actually have a night action?
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@Zaradi
Everyone likes a little BDSM every once in a while
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@Zaradi
Looks like it was 7 years for you. Still, pretty old my friend.
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@Zaradi
It sure has. It was Debate.com first, then Juggle bought it shortly after and changed it to Debate.org.
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Me and zaradi have been members of DDO for 10+ years. Who the heck are you lol
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@TheRealNihilist
Oh sod off mate! Go back to yelling at children to get off your lawn, ya old party pooper.
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@Speedrace
YO SPEED where ya at homie?
Question for ya. Since this is likely your last day phase alive, given us your read list, towniest to scummiest please and why if possible. Thanks love ya!
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@Vader
I have a town read on you for other reasons, but no, pm wording doesn't confirm anyone because mods have been known to include town role pm phrasing for mafia,
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You're now repeatedly insisting the quotation is there, rather than just apologizing for a obviously dishonest misquotation... So again, if you're not full of shit, where did I say "original plan" as you directly quoted me?
Oh stop trying to play with semantics, you are purposely being manipulative now. Your intent was to indicate he should kill you as planned, though that was only the back up plan. Gonna avoid the argument again?
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@Barney
"If Speed is really the vig, let him kill me tonight as he is planning "
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@Barney
Hypothetically if Speed is not the vig but is town, I'd say he has about a 25% chance of surviving the night...
- Mafia might not trust his claim, and assume the real vig would kill him.
- The real vig likely assumes he's scum, but can get him lynched for lying.
If he's really the vig, about a 50% of surviving the night.If he's scum, again about a 50% of surviving the night.To not risk a mislynch tomorrow, he's got to kill a town agreed target. Technically on this were he scum, he could tell everyone who the scum kill is, but then the real vig would get him tomorrow night.
All of these percentages are made up, there's no statistical probability that favors those numbers.
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@Barney
If he really is the vig then he dies tonight. Mafia have no reason not to kill him, theres no protective, or investigative roles to implicate them. The vigilante is the only role that's actually harmful to mafia. They will be on him tonight, there's no reason for mafia to believe he is a vanilla fake claiming vig. There's too much risk in that ploy, if he was actually lying as town. Only reason I could think of him to do that would be to try and bait the mafia nk, and he would have to risk letting the actual vig CC him to do that. As mafia he simply wouldn't do something this brash, it's out of character for him. He played so careful and conservative in the office mafia, he literally let me (a potential mis-lynch) stay alive for like 4 DP's instead of going for the easy lynch, because he was careful and patient.
His plan is only to kill you if you aren't lynched, it wasn't his "original plan" it was his back up plan. I get you are just defending yourself but that is dishonest to frame it that way.
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@warren42
Why's that?If he's not the vig he's still more likely to be town
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