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@Speedrace
Not only this, but the angels target was a bomb lol. That seemed hella designed. The odds that were random seem astronomical lol. I think some of the game was random some of it was designed.You're telling me that the random roles JUST SO HAPPENED to give us both a tailor and a coroner?
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@ILikePie5
Kinda funny I went from gun ho trying to kill you DP1 because I knew you would win over me to being forced to tie with you lolNice one Lunatic. I suspected you were scum since Day 1. It was pretty much confirmed after Zaradi died.
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First off, GG to everyone that was a fun game! I just wanted to explain some of my thoughts and processes here, and explain some of the challenges I faced in this game.
So I was a tailor, and had info with all the roles in the game, and was told I could tailor only using the in game roles. Since I knew the set up I forfeited my night kill since I didn’t want to risk hitting bomb or getting watched NP1. So my initial plan wasn’t to play as passive as I did, in fact I was kind of forced in to passive play otherwise I would have looked scummy pretty early. I knew after speedraces first claim that his role gave information to him about another role in the game that he would be the coroner. I was praying he wasn’t going to claim, because I actually wanted to kill him offbefore he claimed coroner, so I could actually get some use out of the tailor role. I knew pie was the 3rd party angel after his initial claim too, it’s the only other claim that made sense. So my plan formed, I was gonna attempt to get a mass claim, was going to claim a protective role since I already had planned that after forfeiting np1. My goal was to claim nurse first and say I protected speed, which would town confirm him and mean he wouldn’t have to claim. That way I could mislynch someone, as I had already planned to do dp1, and then night kill Speed and tailor him as the third party, to make zaradi look scummy for a second mislynch and a win after DP2. Pie’s only goal was to keep his target alive so I knew he would be on board.
But speed put a hole in my plan and claimed coroner before I could claim nurse and confirm him, so I had to play the whole thing differently.DAMN YOU SPEED. I was trying to town confirm you so you didn’t have to claim lol. So after that ordeal the tailor role was basically useless. So I switched gears. I knew pie was scum based on POE since all the other roles were claimed and he was last so I figured by lynching him I would gain some town cred. Pie did come out with his role as expected, but I didn’t expect him to out his protection target, and when he did and you all started talking about SA being town confirmed, I was pretty sure I had lost unless I could lynch pie before he used his role. That’s why I was tunneled on pie like that in DP1, otherwise I would have helped mis-lynch press. When that didn’t work out, I asked drafter if there was any way I could joint with pie, and was told if his protection target was the last one alive with me I could. So that was basically my only hope. I can’t night kill SA because he was a bomb, and I couldn’t mislynch him. Luckily SA seemed pretty sold on me being town so I just had to hope that would continue the rest of the game.
NP2 I wanted to forfeit the night kill, and I wanted to tailor Speed as himself just to be seen visiting him because I figured zaradi might have watched him and would extra confirm me. I didn’t want to kill zaradi because he was who I thought would be the DP2 mis-lynch. I was told that if I tailored Speed though, he would get a message telling him he was suited, and that would ruin my whole plan, so I got forced into forfeiting both actions a second time and wished I was on the press lynch. I thought DP2 would be a press or zaradi lynch but when you guys tested SA’s claim, I got frustrated and killed Zaradi even though he was a potential mislynch, because I couldn’t kill safely as long as he was alive. Also there seemed enough suspicion on press I knew I would get a mislynch on him, which we did. At that point there was already suspicion on Speed for being “blocked” the same nights there were night kills,and I knew I only needed one more lynch to win and to keep SA alive, so I knew I could forfeit my action safely. It was basically my only option. If I killed pie it would have looked scummy since we talked about me using my role on speed, and there was no reason to think mafia wouldn’t kill me. It worked out in my favor because I knew I could spin the logic that way to make speed look bad and explain why I wasn’t killed, since a Pie, SA, Speed lylo would have surely meant death for speed.
Still, not an easy win and I was thrown through the loop and stressed out a few times by town actions, and at the end of the day still came down to MYLO, so good job town! Was a fun and stressful game for sure, wasn’t easy at all for me haha.
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Could... Pie have been mafia? I can't see how, but... Maybe he was tailor and zaradi was third party and he got tailored to be watcher? Thats the only way this makes sense, unless drafter was trolling and there is no mafia, or speed is still lying for some reason.
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@Speedrace
GG speed, you had me fooled all game man. You are an amazing mafia player
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@Speedrace
But then it would have been you and pie in LYLO, and how in the world would you have made it out of that situation? Those two are confirmed to each other, and pie has no reason to care if he gets lynched if SA survives, so SA would be forced to 1 v 1 you, and pie would follow his lead. You were stuck in a rock and a hard place, and not killing me was literally your best bet at a mis-lynch, of which you only need 1 to win.Besides that, I knew press would likely not investigate me. Here, I 100% knew that Lunatic would RB me. So logically, he would HAVE to be my kill
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@Speedrace
Because you were pushing the argument that roles were random which is there would be a coroner with no evidence of a tailor
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This is you from post 154 of DP2 trying to use the opposite logic to confirm yourself lolBesides that, if I was Mafia, why would I choose CORONER of all things as my fake claim?
"Plus, I got the info from drafter about roles being random. Why would I need that unless I was an actual coroner?"
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Also you can spin this as WIFOM all you want, but why the hell would I forfeit 3 night kills in a quick fire game just to confirm myself? Also as scum there was no reason for me not to have mislynched PressF day phase 1. I could have lynched that guilt free.
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@Speedrace
I think the fact that I wasn't the target is why you are intelligent. It looks bad for the protective role to be alive in the game this long. Also zaradi made the most sense from scum perspective as the first night kill. I think you chose to kill pie last night based on the circumstances in LYLO. If I died it would have been you vs SA in which pie and SA would have been confirmed to each other. You would have had to somehow have convinced SA to lynch PieOk, don't insult my intelligence. If I was mafia, the clear Target would be YOU
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@Speedrace
I town read you the whole game lol. You got one over on me again mate haha
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@ILikePie5
@SirAnonymous
First of all Speed ls lying, I definitely roleblocked him last night. I was confused why I wasn't killed last night considering I actually confirmed with Pie I would be nursing Speed again. But now that I think about it, this looks like Speed's best option for a mislynch. SA is basically town confirmed, and pie was probably last night's kill target, since Pie's alignment means he will side with SA no matter what. In that regard, pie was probably his biggest threat since even if I blocked his kill, he only has to lead one mislynch to win.
VTL Speed.
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I blocked speed. Im pretty sure last mafia is speed I'll go inot why in a sec when I'm done patrolling
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I agree with SA chances are scum being between speed and press are very high. Id honestly rather lynch press first because his activity has been higher than normal. I think hes mafia which is why he has more incentive to post. That and his night actions are absolute garbage
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I protected/blocked pie last night. since we basically confirmed his role yesterday I figured mafia would go after him since he is no longer a mis-lynch target.
I'm not gonna lie, im becoming a bit less sure that speed is town because the first night I don't block him a kill goes through lol. I am gonna think on this one more. Press still seems scummy, and I still don't see town motive for his night actions for the last two night phases.
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@Dr.Franklin
Nope haven't touched the game in a while
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VTL pressF.
His reasons for redirecting zaradi don't make sense at all.
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I used to play pretty competitively for a couple years. TH9 gang. However, not a fan of TH10/11 meta, got bored with the new changes.
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@ILikePie5
This is assuming SA is scum. 80% chance he isn’t scum.
Or a lylo situation, where the last three are the mafia, SA, and a townie, and the townie gets lynched. I asked drafter.
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I don't know if I buy that speed is scum yet, based on his behavior and claim. I am more willing to believe I protected the night kill. Also I don't understand the redirect theory and how it makes SA scum?
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Because outside of me, his play is the most townie. Hence, I town read him. Yes, I'm aware he's technically TP. He joint wins according to Disc's sheet so that's good enough for me.
He can also join with mafia though. Also its drafter not disc lol
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@Zaradi
Yes, sorry catching upYou've targeted Speed both nights, right?
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@Zaradi
I am actually suspicious of press f for his supposed night actions and lack of explanation for using his role. Not in a rush to end the dp tho
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Also why dis you redirect him to SA? Did you think it would kill him since SA is a bomb?
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If you redirected zaradi he wouldnt have been told. He would just be told sa results instead of pies. Why would you vote him?
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I protected/blocked speed again because he was the most town confirmed in my eyes. I'll have to look into that more later but I'm still convinced that hes town though I admit I could be wrong.
I'm surprised we didn't lynch pie yesterday.
I'm playing some games I'll check the dp later.
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@SirAnonymous
Ive said why. Why are you flip flopping off of him so easy? Literally all it took was like one post from pie restating his win con for you to flop back off of him.
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@ILikePie5
If SA is town, he has no reason to care about your win con being met, and we are just taking it on your word anyway.
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Let's just get pie out of the way for now, he is an inherent dis-advantage for town to be alive. Also I am not sure if I am comfortable lynching press or zaradi yet, and we could have some better results to help us tomorrow.
Lynching pie is the safest bet atm.
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@SirAnonymous
Also if mafia is the last person alive with the angels target according to what drafter just told me. There's a couple ways for 3P to win with mafia.
I don't think it's worth the risk. Also if pie is third party and isn't an angel with a joint condition, makes sense for him to lie. There's too much risk to letting him live I think. See his flip and decide what do to from there.
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@SirAnonymous
What do you mean by the last mafia is a tailor?
From speed, post 99
I'm a Coroner, so I can see someone's true role and affiliation after they die, even if it was altered. I thought this meant there was a role alterer, but random roles means there isn't necessarily one. However, I would advise EVERYONE to put their role and affiliation and what not into their will, just in case there is an alterer
I looked up graveyard manipulation on drafters list, looks like it would be a tailor
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Actually unless speed is lying last mafia is tailor right?
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@ILikePie5
Well if he is mafia he wouldn't claim his real role.
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Also I just asked drafter and apparently it is possible for mafia to joint with third party as well under the angel mechanics.
So I think it's too big a risk. Also he told me there is no 1st 2nd and 3rd place theres just people who win and people who lose. So if he did joint with scum theres basically two mafia. If we are to believe him that is.
It sounds like too much to risk imo.
I'm keeping my vote on him.
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@Zaradi
The document says its under can joint with any faction. So technically he could win with mafia too right? What if mafia is his protection target? Idk
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So the angel thing... If he is telling the truth, then it sounds like we would have to lynch sir anonymous at literally any point in order for town to win above 3rd party. I can actually buy drafter making an angels protection target a bomb. Even if roles of this subset are random that does seem a pretty clever dynamic as it forces mafia to lead a mislynch on sir anonymous to win.
But... At the same that nullifies the protection role meaning that it would pointless since sir anon shouldn't be able to be killed anyways.
It's a wierd dynamic. Its up to you all if you just want to ignore that 3rd party exist and make this a town vs mafia thing. I've seen towns do that before, but I dont see how his role could joint win with us.
Also that requires us believing that he isn't lying and actually mafia.
Id be down to ignore the third party affiliation and take a 2nd place win over mafia though. Idc up to you guys.
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