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@Speedrace
Yeah looks like he panicked. I'm kinda happy to see a mass claim actually working given the huge stigma around it lol
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@SirAnonymous
If I just caught a scum slip, ima feel like a little kid on christmas after all those mislynches in the last game lol. Redemption time baby.
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@ILikePie5
@Speedrace
@PressF4Respect
@SirAnonymous
@Zaradi
I will state that my role PM states the name of another person which allows them to be town confirmed if mafia does kill me. I will try to hint as to who it is, as I see fit for later use.
Hold up how did I forget this?
Pie said this earlier in the day phase. I just noticed as I was re-reading. He needs to explain this ASAP.
Regardless, he is lying about his role. I looked up hunter in drafters mafia roles sheet:
"You are the HUNTER. If you are lynched, you may select a person to die during the following Twighlight Phase."
This is all it says! Why would drafter include another person in his PM?
Pie if you lied about your role, you need to explain why now. This is post 58 on page 3, for context.
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@PressF4Respect
Okay level with me about zaradi. Do you really think he is scum, or do you think your read could be biased with OMGUS? He is the only real claimed investigative role, excluding the coroner.
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@PressF4Respect
One more thing that I feel is important to mention.Redirectors don't get report results for their actions.
Yeah, I know how the role works.
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@SirAnonymous
Yeah you do it to, but more suspicious of pie than you lolShould the rest of us do that as well?
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@ILikePie5
When you wake up answer the following questions for me,
1. If you were to be lynched, would you forfeit your hunter action? If not who would you choose and why?
2. Can you list your top scum reads from top to bottom, who you would be least most to least likely to lynch?
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@SirAnonymous
Ok. In that case, the third-party could be a distraction for town, since we need to kill mafia to win and the third-party would look like mafia.
Third party would win above town too, so both seem to be of equal priority. Actually nvm, third party would be higher priority I think, because if we kill mafia the game would end right? And if 3P doesn't have a joint win condition and meets his win condition and mafia dies, town would still lose. That's what I'm gathering from reading the google doc in the passive and active win conditions sections.
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@SirAnonymous
Probably, but not necessarily. While the mafia is probably lying, the third party could be telling the truth.
It's an open setup, I don't think third party can tell the truth. The role list and the google doc drafter posted seem to clearly define the roles that have 3rd party win conditions. I've been looking over the document.
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@Speedrace
You literally just explained how powerful town is...I think the random setup includes a powerful Mafia
No, SA's role is only harmful to mafia, and pies is detrimental to town.
I can see the watcher coroner and nurse though, 0 vanillas. There are two scum, in a 6 player game, that doesn't favor town imo. But you could be right, mafia and 3p could have good roles also.
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@SirAnonymous
I know. Kinda why I am leaning pie more, that and your role doesn't throw the balance off as much.I mean that I claimed first as in claiming before Pie.
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@Speedrace
I think Mafia must be strong
whys that?
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PressF is pretty null to me. Maybe even a little town, based on his claim. Getting into WIFOM territory with this, but re-director seems like a challenging fake claim that would secure him life for like a day phase. He could easily prove his role, unless he tries to claim roleblocked or something, and why tf would mafia roleblock him when there's a nurse/watcher/coroner claim in the game, all which seem more detrimental to scum.
At the very least I think if we must look into him as scum, I don't see the harm of waiting for results in DP2. I think we should be lynching between the bomb and the hunter, and I am leaning hunter, given pies late claim in the mass claim and the fact that his role has more negative town utility than SA's. Also considering how much drafter usually puts into analyzing balance, I can't see him putting this many killing roles in such a small game. Town has no potential to get hurt from SA's role though.
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@Speedrace
@PressF4Respect
@SirAnonymous
Well pies asleep, so what do you guys think about the balance of claimed roles so far? What do you think about the bomb/hunter dynamic, two extra killing roles in a small game of 6?
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@Speedrace
Is he always this stubborn?
Oh hell ya. its a null tell.
Because the way he's playing strikes me as very scummy. He's clashing A LOTIf he's really a good player, I'm suspecting that he's a jester/fool, third-party role with the goal of getting lynched.
You can check out any of his old games and see similar playstyle. He's a bit of a hot head, but then again so am I. I consider him a good player. I used to play a lot more like him too, but he kind of reminds me of buddamoose, where he can tunnel vision a bit too much IMO.
Also being a good player is subjective. I consider anyone who actively tries to scum hunt and can back it up with good reason (even if that reason is disagreeable), can calculate night actions well as scum, etc a "good" player. Again he's not top 5, but I think he is good objectively speaking.
I had pretty terrible reads last game, would you consider me a good player?
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@Speedrace
Sure. I consider him a good player. I wouldn't place him in the top 5 of all time, but he has experience. I definitely remember him as being aggressive, and am not surprised at all by his current play. I wouldn't say that he has a town or scum tell, it's been long enough since I've played with him that I would reset my understanding of his play style anyways.
Meant to tag you whoops
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@ILikePie5
Sure. I consider him a good player. I wouldn't place him in the top 5 of all time, but he has experience. I definitely remember him as being aggressive, and am not surprised at all by his current play. I wouldn't say that he has a town or scum tell, it's been long enough since I've played with him that I would reset my understanding of his play style anyways.Is Zaradi a good player from your previous experiences with them?
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@Zaradi
Seems like you think I am defending Press or something. I don't agree necessarily that he's done next to nothing. I mean that's pretty subjective. If you want to say that his reads and thoughts haven't helped, sure, but that could be a factor of immaturity and lack of experience as well. Supa does that a lot as town too, fluff posting, bad logic, etc and he is in the same age group.
I don't town tell him or anything for it, it's just something I keep in mind when considering younger players.
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@ILikePie5
I know but that's two roles with implications on death. It's not impossible, sure. But the bomb role seems to only effect Mafia, your's seems more negative utility to town.Roles are random. Nothing I can do about what role I got.
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@ILikePie5
So if you were to get lynched, who would you most likely choose as of right now to take with you? Or would you forfeit?I can choose who gets to come to hell with me
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@Zaradi
Both of those fall under bad logic and immaturity, btw.Neither of which apply to why I think he's mafia. He's done close to nothing all DP long and his reactions to pressure have been super bad
But whatever, I'll think about PressF, but I am not in a rush.
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@SirAnonymous
How does your role work? You kill the person who hammers you or the person who kills you or both?I'm a bomb. You're up, Pie.
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@ILikePie5
When you die do you choose who gets to die, or is it the person who hammers?I don’t know what you mean by the first part.
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Bad logic and immaturity can often be confused for scum tells. You could be right about him, just advising you to be open minded about his youth and take it into consideration.I don't think he's mafia because he's been immature(?). I think his play reeks of scum-tells.
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@Zaradi
Blanket statements like (so and so is not getting lynched) don't phase me, never have. You sound like FourTrouble.
I've been watching PressF's posts, I don't see a smoking gun argument against him yet, but I'm watching the exchanges. I am interested in hearing about pie right now, and I am not neccesarily gonna out right lead a lynch but I am suspicious of the bomb/hunter thing and thing scum could be between the two.
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@Zaradi
Zaradi one thing to remember with PressF is that he is only 17. Not saying that excuses poor play all the time, but immaturity and illogical posts are something to keep in mind with players like him and Supa.
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@ILikePie5
Do you choose who to take down or does the hammer get taken down? Can you forfeit or are you forced to choose?
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CLAIMSLIST
Speed- Coroner- post 99
PressF- Redirector- post106
Lunatic- Nurse- post 129
Zaradi- Watcher- post139
SA- Bomb- post 141
ILikePie5- Hunter- post 197
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@Zaradi
Why's that? Your not the least bit concerned there's both a bomb and a hunter?Why does it matter how his role works? He's not getting lynched.
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@ILikePie5
Do you choose who to take down or does the hammer get taken down? Can you forfeit or are you forced to choose?
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@Speedrace
@PressF4Respect
@SirAnonymous
@Zaradi
Please no one else post until Pie claims unless its a VTL on him for pressure. He has had almost 40 minutes since we started mass claiming, and his last post was two claims into the mass claim.
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@ILikePie5
I'm not like this one bit. Your last post was post 115. We were already two claims into the mass claim at that point, and now you've dis-appeared for 30 minutes.
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@ILikePie5
Pie, time's a ticking. You knew we were talking about a mass claim, seems an odd time to dis-appear.
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CLAIMSLIST
Speed- Coroner- post 99
PressF- Redirector- post106
Lunatic- Nurse- post 129
Zaradi- Watcher- post139
SA- Bomb- post 141
ILikePie5- ????
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@Zaradi
Not sure, would like pie's claim first also.
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@PressF4Respect
Speed to Zaradi.Why would I have a reason for choosing NP0? There’s literally nothing to go off of.
I agree, just wanted to hear your results if any.
Now, CLAIM
Already claimed nurse, post 129. I was supposed to be first, but you and speed beat me to it.
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@Speedrace
I didn't get a role blocked message
Darn, oh well. When I mod, I always send role block messages, even if a player doesn't use their role in a np. But every mod is different.
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@PressF4Respect
I’m a redirecterI can visit someone each night and if they visit someone else, I can force them to visit the target of my choosing.I’m town
Who did you redirect NP 1 and why?
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@Speedrace
Dang it speed, I'm glad your on board with the plan, but I was hoping to go first to save you from claiming. I am the nurse. I've never seen this role before, but it works closest to how most of us understand the jailer role. I can protect a person each night, but by doing so will role block them. I targeted Speed last night, because I figured if he was town, he would be one of the most level headed townies if innocent, and if he was scum he was a good target too because I got to see how well he played as scum last game and the roleblock would hurt him. Speed you should be able to confirm I role-blocked you yes?
Now I realize that speed could be mafia and the reason that their was no night kill last night is because I roleblocked him, but I was like 75% sure he was town, based on the info he was giving right at the start of the day phase. Makes no sense for him to do this if he thought he roleblocked, he would be expecting someone to out the roleblock and would be more likely to claim later. That and the fact that he just claimed first secures it for me that I protected him from the night kill instead of roleblocked his kill. I don't see a reason why he would claim the role he claimed. We can easily test the coroner/death tampering role using our will as well. Town should full claim in their wills.
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@Zaradi
I understand that idea, but unlike just normally waiting scum can't be forced to sit there and buy time. If they do we put them at L-1 and consider lynching them for delaying.
Under normal circumstances it makes sense if a person just waits to be last to be more suspicious of them, but under popcorn method we are gonna force this out quick. Pretty much everyone seems to be around maybe besides press F too, so he wouldn't be a bad idea to start the popcorn with. This phase is only gonna last 36, so I would want the claims out quick.
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Brb, at work, going on a quick patrol.
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@ILikePie5
@Zaradi
If we end up mass claiming, then the idea would be to lynch today, given our odds of finding scum will be increased. I don't know if I necessarily buy the last person who claims is automatically scummy, or less believable if we do the pop corn method, because scum could have been among the first few to have been forced to claim.
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@Zaradi
If I get two more "yes"'s to my proposition, that will be majority in affirmation to the mass claim and I'll go ahead and start.Ladies first.
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@ILikePie5
We could popcorn it. The person who claims gets to choose who claims next, and so on and so forth. So it would be out of scums handsI’d be open to it, but the last people to claim are inherently suspicious if we do
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@Zaradi
Why not just go ahead and claim if this is what you want to do? If you want to try and get out all the claims before the two scum have time to try and piece together a good fake-claim, time is not your friend.
I didn't say I "wanted" to claim, I am just willing to claim first if a mass claim is decided upon. Otherwise I would just be claiming for potentially no reason if mafia aren't going to be forced to fake claim right after.
So what's your thoughts on the mass claim? You on board or no?
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@Zaradi
Why do you think it was waived?
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@ILikePie5
@Speedrace
@PressF4Respect
@SirAnonymous
@Zaradi
Okay guys hear me out for a second. Been thinking about this for a bit, and the more I think about it the more I think it's a good idea, but I am open to feedback.
How would you all feel about a mass claim?
I know, I know, mass claims are generally unpopular. I know why they are, and am on board with the reasons. But there are some exceptions to that reason for this game that I think one might benefit town.
Reason 1: There are less players overall, less town roles, we are forcing mafia and 3rd party to fake claim quicker because 33% of the living players are scum. Usually in larger games by the time we've gotten to 6 players left, all living players have already claimed anyway.
Reason 2: We had a whole night phase without any information produced from it. If the protective role comes out and says who they protected, the protected player will be confirmed town. I get that it puts the protective role at risk, but I almost think it would be more valuable to have a confirmed player DP1 because it would increase our chances of lynching scum today to 40% with 2/5 suspects. If you are town and reading this like I am, you know you are town, and that increases that percentage 50% 2/4 suspects. Also it technically won't be a mass claim all the way, since the confirmed player won't be required to mass claim. If the info about the protected player doesn't come out now, there's a chance mafia will kill that player or the protective role next night phase anyway, and we will have had a whole day phase with potentially helpful POE info go to waste.
Reason 3: It's a quickfire, not a normal game. I feel like playing around with new strategies and meta has less of a negative impact here than a large game. While mass claiming is an "old" meta. it was also rarely used from my experience, and I don't think it even happens on Dart, so it probably is new here.
What do you guys think? I am open to negative feedback, and can nix the whole idea if more of you are opposed to it than for it. But if the majority of us to agree to it, then we gotta force everyone to comply to this for it to work. Also since I am the one suggesting it, I realize I'll be the one to claim first, and I am okay with that.
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So open set up from the sign ups says 4 town, 1 third, 1 maf. With the blocked night kill looks like we should have 2 total mislynches available to us which is pretty good for a quickfire game with 2 scum.
That said I'm not opposed to a no lynch of we dont get any leads but we can be a little aggressive here.
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@Zaradi
Do you have some reason to doubt his claim?
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