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@ADreamOfLiberty
Oh really? Does that include protection like my ability?
Correct, any visit whatsoever would prevent me getting results. That said, now that I've exposed my role, there's no way mafia would let me get results anyway.
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So for me its between that2user and banana. Honestly a bit torn, I don't like the executioner claim and the fact that earth flipped innocent also doesn't look good for her claiming to be the first tsar, but I also don't see why she would lie about it. I still have most of the same issues with That2users claim, especially the assassination thing, when her family was executed, but I'll cede that if she was going off of her memory of the disney movie she might have thought it was an assassination, though I think she should have deferred to her role pm in this situation.
there is a chance both are scum, but idk. I'll wait to hear thoughts from others. I am split.
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Okay so ADOL is essentially a bodyguard then. I am inclined to believe it, as we don't have any other claimed protective roles atm.
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@Mharman
I have read DP1 in full. Ngl the Earth lynch was kinda retarded.
Keep in mind he hammered himself. But I don't think it was that retarded, he was counter claimed as the first tsar by banana. Why casey put that in two seperate characters role PM's is beyond me. Or banana is lying, which is also a strong possibility. Also double Ivan's both the great and the terrible was a little suspicious. That said, deadline was coming up and earth hammered himself before anyone else could comment anyway, so if you had thoughts on the matter, blame earth for preventing you from sharing them.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
btw if a dreamer is visited by literally anyone, they do not get more results. Which is probably fine that you visit me anyway, because I doubt mafia would allow me to get results again.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Grigori Potemkin, Shield, because I can protect people from the ugly truth by building a Potemkin village around them.I will certainly be shielding lunatic. Doesn't cure him of suspicion but it's nearly certain that we will lynch someone on his list and if I die protecting Lunatic (and he is town) then:A.) That reveals I'm innocentB.) Gives Lunatic a chance at another dream
If you shield someone do you die in their place? Or do you just protect them from a kill period?
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@ILikePie5
ya I just checked MafiaScum and a Town Executioner is possible. Behaviorally Banana is town imo. That2’s Princess doesn’t make sense now that Savant is dead. His role was random. Nothing to do with Beloved Princess.
Yeah im really not sure why he kept saying his role made sense with that2users role. He did say that multiple times.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Are you sure its one, or could it be more than one?
pie just asked me the same thing. I assumed it meant only one, but after clarifying with casey, multiple scum can be on the results. The only rule seeming to be no matter one at least one scum will be on the results. I guess this makes the role less OP than I initially figured, as we aren't getting guaranteed town confirmations after finding the scum.
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@ILikePie5
Exactly one scum or at least one scum? Did Casey specify?
Okay I just asked casey if it was possible to get more than one scum on a result, and she replied yes. So that's interesting.
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@ILikePie5
Really good fake claim if you’re scum btw
Wish I could take credit for the compliment, but unfortunately I cannot, but thanks anyway lol
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@ILikePie5
@iamanabanana
Oh boy, a Town Executioner? Idk about that
Yeah... I was thinking like roleblocker, politician, double voter, redirector, something like that. I've seen those on town, but never an executioner...
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@ILikePie5
Exactly one scum or at least one scum? Did Casey specify?
Good question. I assumed no, but I asked her this: "Could I potentially keep getting the same mafia on each result or would you allowed both mafia to be on separate results? Would any name ever appear twice on subsequent night phases?"
She replied:
"It would have been randomized each night. One night's dream would not have affected subsequent dreams. Yes, at least one mafia would have shown up every night."
Now that you mention it re-reading the bolded part makes me question if I could get two on the same result, something I did not specifically ask. I will ask now. I just assumed no. I've never had this role before.
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I also agree that mafia probably know the the split and will or have fake claims ready to avoid that. But I could be wrong.
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@Vader
Honestly there is some good feedback with the results though.I will say I feel like ADOL has been harping on this theme split a bit that's only a slight indicator (though the pattern is holding strong). However I feel like the theme would've been easily discovered by scum and they would've fake claimed something else. I think his adamence to push seems a bit sus but I am not sure if that fits the meta (if anyone knows)
To be fair I believe it is his second game, in Eragon mafia he was pretty focused on the theme split too (I kind of was as well). That said, I don't know his scum meta, chances are he would just stick to the same thing he did as town, so it's a null tell for me. I did like his opening effort to the game though.
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@That2User
@ADreamOfLiberty
@iamanabanana
I think it's fair to suggest full claims from those on my results at the very least. One of you three is scum, the other two are town confirmed.
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@Vader
I guess that's a fair strategy that worked out really well for you, but even then wifom you could apply the same logic but take down 3 town.
Idk how to argue against the "you could be wifoming" argument, because that is wifom in and of itself. I guess do you have any reason to scum read me other than being dubious of what would otherwise be an extremely ballsy claim?
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@Vader
Hold on? I need to check something but didn't Wylted claim what Savant's character is?
Nah he chat GPT'ed his character and figured it out.
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@Vader
Ok so this is interesting.I am genuinely skeptical of these types of claims, but the every night definetly makes it somewhat less fake claimy. But still I think I have thought of your Justice fakeclaim in Casey's last game on my mind
Definitely fair. But consider there is still several people who haven't posted yet, if any of them claim to have visited me then I am lying. That's beyond ballsy to do as scum. Also the justice claim was meant for me to die but ultimately take down two town before I did. I got extremely lucky that banana was third party in that game, which ended up validating my results, and "town confirming me" but that wasn't even really the plan lol.
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@ILikePie5
Any results?
Yep. One of That2User, Banana, and ADOL is scum. I am Dmitri Mendeleev, the Dreamer. Justification is that my character was a super smart chemist who discovered three elements on the periodic table after waking up from a dream about it and writing it down immediately. I can apparently receive results every night as long as I am not visited, and 1 mafia will appear on my results no matter what. Seems kind of OP, but is what it is.
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@ILikePie5
If he’s town, it fits his MO of wait for it…throwing.
In which case it's still better to get someone out of the game like that earlier rather than have it fvck you in MYLO or something. I don't hate earth, hes a good guy, but yeah lately it seems he barely puts effort into his games and its a bit irritating.
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@Mharman
I’m gonna go ahead and guess the lynch is correct based on the rage quit plus post 219.
Thats where I am at with it
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@Earth
Btw if you are town, never hammer yourself. Town dont self vote. Its gay. I am just assuming you were scum based on that.
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@Earth
You what fuck you guysvtl Earth
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Yeah.... Sorry earth, I don't see the mod putting two near identical sounding characters in and messing up that bad. I feel like she would be extra careful in that scenario to make sure she didn't screw up.
VTL earth.
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@Earth
Mmm. My PM does say it in a round about way, but I was the first to bear the title 'tsar'. My PM mentions Ivan IV too. Anyway, I am the Neighborizer. Each night, I can pick a player to join me in a private chat so long they are alive. Justification is because Ivan the Great expanded his empire to cover different ethnic groups and lands.
I mean this is a pretty confirmable role. I personally as mod like to give mafia one confirmable role, (IE savant was a messenger in SK's). Does your pm actually mention that you were the tsar? Why would casey put that in two different role PM's?
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@iamanabanana
I am Ivan the IV, aka Ivan the Terrible. My role PM explicitly tells me I am the first tsar of Russia. I was about to give earth a pass, because he might have gotten the two mixed up in researching them (Ivan the great is a regent not a tsar) but then I thought about it and why would he even be researching it instead of just looking at his role pm?I realize we are claiming two different people so this isn't a CC, but I am cc'ing the part where he is the first tsar, because casey told me I was in my role Pm.VTL Earth.
Woah. Interesting development. I'd like to hear earth respond to this.
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Town pile:
ILikePie5- I don't see why he would be volunteering himself as a lynch unless it was actually role related. At worst, he's a third party that has to be lynched on a certain day phase. I am not even worried about hunting 3p right now, so he can essentially be town for now, as this is an abysmal mafia strategy, and he will be 100% held accountable to being lynched before mylo.
Savant- Savant is more of a "Focus on later" as to me its not like hes confirmed innocent, but more "unlikely" scum. Wylted guessed his character immediately and he owned up to it, and wasn't CC'ed. That is pretty brazen move as scum, and if he happened to just get lucky, I guess thats some insane luck, but I don't think scum would have used their anti claim so early like that, so im more leaning hes probably just telling the truth.. we can re-evaluate this later on if there are behavior issues.
iamanabanana- I am on board with the "claiming a scummy role" doesn't seem to be her MO. Last time she did this she was actually town and a roleblocker, I don't see this being a scum strategy. And while she isn't technically "new" anymore, she is new enough I don't see her gambling a play like this until she's racked up experience more, so all in all I am leaning town on her.
Slight town reads:
whiteflame- Putting whiteflame here because I like his reads and analaysis so far, and he's been on the same page of thinking as me on that2. Also I was literally typing out stuff on my phone while driving about her claim when whiteflame echoed my thoughts word for word, so that resonated as him being town if he's picking up the same things I am picking up, since I know I am town.
Vader- I don't have a rock solid reason, other than I just like his effort and it has a genuine feel to it. I feel like Vader is genuinely coming from an uninformed perspective and his behavior doesn't seem as rocky as it was in castlevania, plus I liked his initial idea of soft claiming and it helped move the game forward.
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Mharman (WyIted)- I don't like that he called out savants character, but I can see wylted doing that just because he is wylted. I probably would have made a stink about it being a scum tell if it were anyone else. Otherwise I feel like Wylted was mostly fluffy this day phase. I know he's turned up on that2, but he was semi defending that2 against me, so now it just looks like he's going with the best option. I would lean scum here but I want to feel mharman out and see how he plays here and go from there, and am willing to look at wylted stuff as just being wylted for the time being.
Cerulean- I like the unpairing analysis between earth and pie, ultimately he's just been pretty inactive though, and I want to see more before I move him completely into the town pile. I don't understand his scum slip theorem at pie, but I think it might just be mis-communication about DART terminology and other websites.
ADOL (Danilaykus)- I like ADOL's entry post, and especially that he's going against the grain on banana who is widely town read. Mafia don't want to blatantly be against the crowd like that, so the suspicion comes off as genuine. However I don't want to town clear him off of one post either, so I'll give him time to cook.
Scum lean:
That2User- I don't like the way she claimed, I don't like the unnecessary verbiage in the claim, and I don't understand why you would give information not in your pm, over just straight up reading the PM. That said I can see BP being with that character, which is my only major reservation with lynching that2. However behaviorally, she seems very similar to serial killers, her responses seem dis-interested, bored, and like she just doesn't care about the outcome. I don't feel any town passion or game solve coming from her, and that is eerily familiar to her play in serial killer. She is my number one read at the moment.
Earth- I really don't like his responses to pie about not contributing. While it's consistent with how he usually plays, I feel like using other people as being more inactive or pushing the pace less than you isa cop out, and earth is experienced as a player enough to know this logic shouldn't fly. I am not giving him a pass for it, and frankly I find it scummy that he would sell us this. I see he is being pressured now, so maybe his claim can save him but at the moment, he is not looking good for me.
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@Cerulean
MYLO- Equals mislynch and lose. EX 1 mafia 3 town. A Mislynch here, plus a night kill brings mafia to parity.
LYLO- Lynch correctly or lose. EX 1 mafia 2 town. Town has to lynch correctly to lose.
AS far as pies situation, I don't think odd day factors into anything here, numbers can be brought about in any numerous way, factoring for multiple kills including town killing roles, etc. Games on Dart can be kind of crazy. Anyways, pie needing to die before MYLO is probably a town tell unless he is jester or his third party wincon is to die on a certain day phase or something.
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@ILikePie5
I’ll give some reads later, gonna be busy until tonight when I get to work
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@WyIted
I can see the cartoon framing it as an assassination because they Romonovs were the main characters in the movie , but Nicholas was a corrupt leader and was usurped in a revolution so it is officially an execution since he was no longer the ruling party after this incident.
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@WyIted
The assassination vs execution thing I think is silly. It's a matter of opinion how to define that event. I would call it an assassination. I think execution may be used as some sort of rhetorical oomph to make the event seem even worse though technically I think an assassination is more morally reprehensible than execution.
It’s not silly at all. She admitted that Casey never called it an assassination in her pm. That was the word she personally volunteered randomly over other words. She led us down the rabbit role for 0 reason instead of simply saying she was pre Soviet.
That said I am willing to believe it is an anti town move rather than a scum one, and focus elsewhere for now. If we don’t have a better lead by the end of the phase though iknwilling to go back to that2.
Unvote.
Also thinking the new guy will need to be replaced
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Never mind according to mafia scum the night kill and day kill isnt discerned. I’ve been operating this role for years based on my knowledge of it skipping a night phase to punish mafia because that’s how mods on DDO used it.
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@That2User
my death and the myth i survived plays into my role, i am so popular i am the beloved princess, if i die the next day is skipped
If you are killed is a night phase skipped and lynched a day phase skipped? Or is a day phase just skipped no matter how you die?
If it’s the latter your role is an uncommon variant of beloved princess that I’m not familiar with
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@That2User
execution, i intended to be vague
Then why was your first post about your character explicitly saying you were “assassinated”? Vader suggested we post whether we were pre Soviet formation or not, nothing else. This was the information you offered up for no reason, and now you’re saying it was wrong. Where did you get the word assassination from? All the research I did explicitly says execution lol
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I’m driving but Whiteflame just hit a few extra points I was gonna make when I got home
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@That2User
assassination, execution, murder, shot to death, all these things describe my death, i am anastasia
How did Casey describe it
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The notable names of people who were assasinated were associated with the bolsheviks, she’s claiming to be assassinated or killed by them. So I’m confused
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Unvote vtl That2user
I think you oughta just claim at this point
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@Vader
I don't love the way That2 claimed their character. They said they were killed in the October Revolution but then backtracked it a bit. Even if it is a nitpick that's pretty weird to say "I was killed" then backtrack a bit
She specifically said assassinated at first. That’s why I think it could be a fake claim gone wrong because there are a couple of prominent figures that die in 1918, though it was by execution. And one that dies in 1917 on December 30th, but that’s before the October revolution so I’m discounting that one. But there was assassination attempts involved on of the figures though it didn’t work out. So I’m thinking she messed up a fake claim or Casey got something wrong
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There’s three potential people you could be claiming but the wording is so messed up, that
It leaves me wondering if it was Casey that messed up or a scum fake claim gone wrong.
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@That2User
I straight up died.
And it was assassination not execution?
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@That2User
Sorry I was being vague, I was killed by the Bolsheviks in 1918 after the October Revolution during the Russian Civil War in the RSFSR. I died because of the October Revolution, not in it.
Wait wait wait. Can you double check this? Did your character actually die in 1918 via assassination or was he just wounded from an attempt?
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@That2User
The October Revolution is in 1917...
Soviet Union formed in 1922 so you are pre Soviet Union
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@Danilaykus
Welcome to mafia. Do you have any prior experience playing this game?
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