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The dead lines are kind of un reasonable. I care about this game even less now than I already did. Just hand mafia the win already. fvck this sh1t.
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@Bullish
Just to be clear since there was some confusion yesterday - if Earth was scum, are you informed that your action failed?
Nope
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Is it too late to change your vote?
Vote for me. Wylted still can use his role. I was vanillized last night, but was told it doesn't come into effect until tonight, meaning my role on earth will still have worked, but after tonight I am useless. If you have reason to think wylted is town keep him alive. Also wylted will be more active than me.
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@whiteflame
it would have made more sense for Luna to target someone else so that you could verify their extra votes or lack thereof rather than seeing your own, but here we are.
I wanted to use it to confirm my role, that’s why I asked Vader who the most town read person was last day phase and he said earth. Also it is good to have solid confirmation that he is town if we’re gonna treat him as town confirmed. We can always nominate him tonight as well if he proves he’s town.
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@whiteflame
I asked this last DP, but I'll check in again: would your role have said it failed if Earth was scum? Or would only he have it confirmed?
His vote will simply count as one instead of three if he is mafia.
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@whiteflame
Is it confirmed that Wylted copped pie innocent? Because if he was scum he could have chosen himself to make us think he was innocent and cast doubt on those who pushed him.
Also I used my magnitude last night on earth, he should be a triple voter this day phase. If not he is scum.
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@WyIted
Plus we still have pie's vote and we 100% know he is town
How?! What am I missing!?
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@Bullish
I'm thinking Owen and Pie have to be scum together. There's no other justification for the course of action last DP.If Pie is town then he knows he's town and will try to let owen die. If he's scum and Owen is town then obviously he'd let owen die. So the only possibility here is they are both scum, and Pie sacrificed himself because Owen has a stronger scum role.
Isn't pie dead? What exactly happened? I am confused.
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@Vader
Ok. Last night I swapped Earth and Wylted together. I also was allowed to pick who goes first so I also picked them to be fair. I hinted I would do this in DP1
What does this mean specifically?
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@ILikePie5
Your role and my role are direct counters to Bullish’s role. I am a DP2 Doublevoter. Starting DP2, I will be a Doublevoter permanently. You have a triple vote to give. I have double votes. What does it counter? A scum popular.
Why didn't you counter claim me then
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@ILikePie5
What townblock am I preventing?
You suggested killing me for no reason whatsoever, and just now you are pointing out not only that bullish isn't town confirmed but that he should be a lynch target based on very little. Not being town confirmed =/= being guilty of something? Horrible reasoning. I think if you are mafia his role scares you same with mine.
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I feel like pie is trying to prevent a town block from forming. My gut is telling me he is scum.
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@ILikePie5
I think we should lynch Bullish. It could present problems for us down the line if it can be activatable. I also don’t like how quick he was to proclaim himself town confirmed because his role is confirmable.
Alternatively, I don't like how quick you are to dismiss him as town based on stretchy wifom logic at best.
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@Bullish
If that's the case then I'm not confirmed for shit and should have just kept my mouth shut so I can live. oh well.
I am pretty sure pie is scum btw
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@ILikePie5
I think you should definitely use Magnitude because at worst it’ll be a 1 to 1 trade which benefits us in the long run even if people distrust you
Thats what I was thinking, and it basically gives me a free cop result regardless.
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@whiteflame
So you will be informed that your first role failed if you use it on scum and it won't afford them extra votes, correct?
Correct.
If I'm reading the second one right, it means you can stop an elimination, which effectively means you have the ability to change the number calculus that underpins the entire game. For example, if you can prevent an elimination DP2, wouldn't that leave us with 5 players going into NP3? That's part of the reason I assumed there would be no protective roles, but reversing an elimination effectively does the same thing in this case.
Apparently I was wrong about this, Austin just clarified for me in my PM. Apparently reversing the lynch doesn't stop an elimination, it just makes it so the opposite person who was voted for gets eliminated instead. Which means the only way I could prove this is if earth used his role on elimination I reverse.
Also, can you use multiple roles in a single NP?
I can not, which is how austin balanced the role basically. The longer I wait to use each role, the more the value it has decreases. For example, magnitude if used np1 gives a player 3 votes, if used np2 only gives a player 2 extra votes, and np3 only gives a player 1 extra vote, etc. Probability has a decreasing chance of not working the longer I wait to use it, it's only guaranteed to reverse the lynch if I use it tonight, if I wait to use it np2, I get 67% chance of it working, if I wait to use it np3 I get a 33% chance of it working, and I am assuming it doesn't work after that. And lastly timeframe is a justice but it gives delayed results, meaning if I use it tonight, I won't know my result until np2 which makes me eligible for a night kill at that point.
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Okay im just gonna full claim.
I am weighing, and I am a JOAT because weighing uses three different metrics as part of a winning strategy, I have an ability attached to each strategy.
1. Is magnitude, Np1 I can choose a player and increase their vote by 3. They will not be informed of this, and the ability straight up won't work if used on a mafia member. So basically if I target scum I can guarantee that person is scum, but only I would 100% know that. If I target town, then their vote will be increased by three and they will be town confirmed, and I will be role confirmed. So this role basically has a very high chance of town confirming someone and role confirming me if I use it on a townie. The vote decreases by one each night phase I wait to use this. So if I choose to use this ability np2, the person gets two votes. If np3 I use this, the person gets 1 vote.
2. is Probability. I can choose a player np1. If that player is eliminated, their elimination will be reversed and they will be saved. If I use this on np2, it only has a 67% chance of working, and if I use this on NP3, it only has a 33% chance of working. So if I use this one tonight I can 100% confirm myself dp2 if we unanimously vote for a person to be eliminated that I chose np1. and we can have earth use his role to make sure no fvckery goes on here, if you want to double confirm two players with one stone.
3. Is Timeframe. This one is basically a justice ability. I can compare two players and see if they are the same affiliation or not, but I won't receive the results np2 (in which case I can be killed). This one is powerful but not confirmable in any way, and I might just end up being killed night phase two for using this one anyway.
So currently I am leaning on using magnitude night phase one, as I can confirm someone, and town confirmation is huge. But if I hit mafia I just have to hope you buy that Im not selling you wifom and that the person who can't extra vote is 100% scum and why would I lie about it so early on, etc etc. If you just have massive trust issues, we can just do number two and I can role confirm myself no matter what though.
Anyways, thoughts?
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@ILikePie5
Should I full claim at this point? I basically have already heavily hinted that I am a strong kill choice at this point, so I guess I might as well
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@Vader
Oh I misred. Nominated doesn't protect you from NK's, but it protects you from battling in a debate in the DP
Oh okay. I can potentially prove my role and town confirm someone at the same time. Who is the most widely townread player and why? Besides you I guess since your nominated already.
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@Vader
Sorry I was nominated already
Does being nominated protect you against being a night kill target? If so it would only matter that I am nominated for night phase 2. If not then it doesn't matter if i am nominated or not.
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Double dumb. TWO of my roles are confirmable. Just misunderstood the mechanic the way austin explained it but after double reading it, I can do two different things tonight that will role confirm me tomorrow. Again the third option is probably the most powerful, but relies on you buying that I am town, and me not being night killed np2, so I think I am leaning on using number one which is almost just as good.
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Actually I am dumb. I just re-read one of my abilities, and number one is 100% the one I should use tonight. I can guaranteed confirm someone as guilty or innocent tomorrow AND it's provable to an extent.
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Just read the mechanics of the game, so I guess there is no night kill night phase one, so I can be a little more open about my role than I initially wanted to be. I am basically a powerful JOAT with three abilities, 1 is confirmable, 2 is very likely confirmable but probably more impactful but based on a percentage chance, and 3 is SUPER powerful but not confirmable if I use it but if people were willing to believe I was town can be game changing, but if I use it np1 I cannot gain the result until np2 in which I can be killed assuming there isn't a protection role (or I am not nominated, I am not sure if being nominated protects one against night kills).
Keep in mind I haven't caught up in the day phase, so if the working of these mechanics have been discussed, I remain ignorant to them.
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@WyIted
Mine is not shitty. I am popcorning to you lunatic
In a conventional mafia game my role would be considered good.
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wasn't*
I phrased that oddly, my point was even though wylteds game was weird, it was still fundamentally mafia. This isn't even mafia.
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@ILikePie5
Are u actually going to play? Otherwise we can just lynch you and move on, though ur kinda forced to play with the voting mechanisms
I signed up and feel bad, but I also have 0 interest in playing but he doesn't have a replacement for me and I don't wanna throw for town. I have a semi good role but at the same time I don't wanna waste time trying to solve a game when we can't know the flips, thats like the whole point of mafia is to adjust the way you view the game and people based on mislynches, correct lynches etc. It feels like there is no way to game solve because we will be perpetually in the dark. What's the point? It's not even really mafia at this point. I signed up not knowing this would be the case, when mods say they are doing some different mechanics, I think of weird things like wylteds last game, but that was fundamentally different than mafia even if it was mafia. This isn't mafia. This is some weird role playing game
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@ILikePie5
So who r we lynching?
I was just about to ask you that
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@Vader
Luna's role also stands out. Such a weird part of the debate that we don't see but Pie put a good alternative for themes that would make sense
I don't comprehend how mine stands out to you, when I was in high school I did Lincoln Douglas (similar to Public Affairs) they both rely heavily on weighing values, so much that its a critical point of the ballot for judges to critique.
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@ILikePie5
Vader - Solvency - StrategistSavant - Disclosure - ???Whiteflame - Theory - ???Casey - Kritiks- ???Pie - Framework - ???Bullish - Spreading - ???Earth - Ballot - ???Owen - CrossEx - ???Wylted - Topicality - ???Lunatic - Weighing - ???
These all seem legit to me, I am getting the vibe mafia probably just claimed their real characters figuring we won't guess the theme
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I am "Weighing" A debate strategy why you argue why your impact is more important than your opponents.
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Hey all not super interested in the mechanics, ill be here, but not very interested. Understand if you wanna lynch me for that. I hate flipless games
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@Barney
Would you like my spot? I’m not the biggest fan of these wierd style games. I know some people thing normal is boring, but I kind of like straight forward mafia games. The mechanics of this one don’t intrigue me and I hate blind lynching flipless people. I did sign up for this game so I will stay in and ensure if he can’t find someone to replace me and you cannot spare the time.
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1. Pie
2. Owen
3. Wylted
4. Casey
5. Barney
6. Vader
7. Savant
8. Lunatic
9. Earth
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/in but same activity as last game, tired of getting scumread for activity, it's NAI so dont scum read me for not being active during the weekends
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@ILikePie5
The double brackets also screwed yall over. I’m pretty sure I was the only one who read all the essays lol
Wrong actually. We asked Wylted about that he said a lot had them but many also didn’t have them. As soon as he said that I just disregarded that reason as bad wifom that it was, since town also had people with no brackets
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Damn Vader, this game is actually turning you into Darth Vader
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I had behavioral reasons to scumread you. I did feel your early vote on Banana was pretty bold. I would’ve left it there but then you said we were “making amount in out of a molehill.”
Yeah but you wouldn’t lynch me because you didn’t like a vote, and honestly me voting banana is kind of NAI behavior lol. Assuming I didn’t have inside knowledge she was town I could see town me making that vote too.
Did you really waive the NK, as I predicted? I felt like you had to make that play in NP3.
We did yeah. Which we wouldn’t have if we would have known the crab god is a death proof, could have won earlier but oh well
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@Casey_Risk
Seriously, what the hell was this game?
First Wylted game eh? Good times xD
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Oh yeah another thing that could have fucked us was that we all sucked at fake claiming this game so basically we kind of all used each others roles. If we had been lynched in a different order would would have fucked each other lol
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@Mharman
Look. You had some good luck, you can’t get too mad when the luck reverses mid game.
Not mad, frustrated I said lol. Everything went perfectly, thought the game was in the bag and BAM everyone’s town confirmed lol. When you’re caught because of POE over behavior it kind of sucks. But is what it is.
At the end of the day, you still won because scum played better than town. GG.
GG
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@WyIted
Agreed and to be fair town was equally as guilty for lynching her. I know I was scum but she did seem genuine town from my pov. Her logic was bad but that’s to be expected from noobs, not sure why she is expected to act differently than others did when they were new. I remember a lot of you when you were new and big mistakes you all made lol.
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@ILikePie5
What was the theme split?
Mafia theme was all around death, it was like life vs death but in Wylted language
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@ILikePie5
Fair enough. But I would’ve preferred GP know his role so we could confirm him lol. With this mechanic, you just benefited scum when you were trying not to lol
town did NOT need more confirmation lol
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