Lunatic

AR was the one who crashed out in that game, I don't remember you doing that, certainly not like you've done it here. 

Considering my case doesn't rest on thinking I know the theme at all (again, never claimed to do so, and pointing out that the Strengthener claim is pretty safe doesn't mean I think it lacks applicability to the character) and that I've stated straight up that I think your behavior, even your obvious frustration, is NAI to me, I'm not really sure how much of this applies to what I've been saying. Seems like you're responding to other people. I also don't know why you keep saying that you should have just lied. Don't think the risk of getting CC'd outweighs your current situation, but what do I know?

I don't think it's accurate that you only defend others as town when you are town, but I'll have to read back through previous games to see if I've missed something that glaringly obvious. As for Casey's read, I don't see it the same way they do, so I'm still not sure why you're directing this at me.

I have no opinion just give me a case on somebody

I mean, fair enough, but being frustrated has never been all that important to alignment, at least not with you since this is far from the first time we’ve had it out and we’ve both done it as scum and as town. I think framing it as that this is how town will sink itself because we’d lose a Strengthener to a DP1 mislynch is a bit much, but I get why you’d be annoyed enough to say that.

point to me a game where you crashed out as town and I’ll consider backing off. Like crashed out for being scum read. I agree I would crash out but I do it was more often as scum. When my town meta is just if you want to lynch me for it, go ahead and I’ll lol

But the above read as totally giving up and if you point me to a town crash out when you are being read as scum. It will back me off. Me and you both are notorious about this as scum

I just did expect the response he gave. I started reading him as scum for his role. Then we he claimed I was willing to pull back after i saw his wagon but now the response seems overly defensive and I’m now reading him as scum off behavior. 

1) you claimed with really on me pressuring you to get me off you. No one else was really buying it fully. That reads me as odd 

2) you immediately deflect onto supa to try and get people off you. Granted you would do this as town sure, but that entire interaction came off as please just leave me alone when I think it’s easy to assume there was an explanation for why supa said and did what he did. He was responding to me asking him for a category and already said he had 0 idea about the game. So him being on wiki trying to figure that out makes sense. I think town Luna prob would at least consider things like this instead of immediately trying to deflect 

3) we both tend to get annoyed when people won’t listen or we are getting tunneled. If I can recall town you, doesn’t throw your hands up and get pissed. They actually try and justify a reason why the reads are wrong. If you can point me to a game where you have ever rage quit as town, I’ll backtrack but I’m like 90 percent sure this both our scum metas and you call me out on it all the time

4) there are parts about your pm I don’t like. The justification does make sense to a degree but the this wording and other parts, seem very inconsistent with mine. He seemed like he kinda half assed the justification and it reads nothing like how it would read from the wiki when yours is almost a carbon copy.

That being said you are scum, and flip scum. The bigger question to me is why not use the fake claim. Or maybe that was the fake claim and it’s why you’re mad. Not sure. But I def and just pinging scum with you. I do agree I tend to do a good job at knowing when you are town and this doesn’t feel town.

I literally gave a behavioral reason to sus you based on your behavior in a previous game where you were scum. Isn't that what you were asking for? Everyone gets scumread as town sometimes, it's not that big of a deal. That's just how this game works.

That to me comes off as scum Luna to answer skeps question earlier. I may be wrong and I’d have to go look but I feel like the blow up throw your hands up is slam thing him and I both tend to do as scum to feign sincerity 

I will say that I also did not like when Luna said they townread me earlier, mainly because I realize that I haven't actually contributed very much this game. It reminded me of Microbiology Mafia when Luna said he townread me off of what felt like very little to me. That rubbed me the wrong way. Luna's meta as scum is to buddy players he sees as strong town players. But on the other hand, Vader also townreads me for largely the same reasons, and I don't think that he and Luna are likely paired, so idk. 

Something about lunatics claim seems off. I can’t quite place it as of right now however.

...so I point out that the Strengthener seems a little sus (something that most anyone in here would say given that it's been used as a pretty safe fake claim in past games) and point to a disjoint between how your and my justification relates to the Wiki, and all I get is a "you too huh?" response? I've already said your behavior is NAI, I'm working with what I have that indicates something to me. For that matter, I haven't even voted for you, and I've said that several of the factors Mikal was considering don't seem to hold up. I get that you're frustrated, but the notion that there isn't a case against you at all just because few of us are scumreading you behaviorally doesn't hold up.

I'd be fine pursuing him for a character claim to see what this is all about. My impression from his responses was that it was listed as two words in his PM when it should have been one on the basis of how the Wiki portrays it. That may or may not be plausible based on his claim, but I don't think he lied about it. As for why he'd reference the Wiki at all, that's probably for the same reason I did: to get more insight into his character. I'd be surprised if he hadn't looked it up at all up to this point.

That would be a confusing choice to make at this point. Maybe the aim was to avoid giving a character claim with a tier in it now that that's been flagged as potentially scummy, but he could have waited and seen if other people posted their own claims first and then tried to backtrack if no one had a tier. It could be a scum slip, but it's weird that he went about it this way and I can't say it reads as scummy to me.

Not so much for the existence of a loom in game (again, I don't know enough about Terraria to speak on that), but on the Strengthener claim, specifically. Since similarity to the Wiki has been mentioned, I'll say straight up that there's not a lot on the Wiki about my character, so there's not much to copy. The details of my justification aren't obvious from reading it, so Mikal may be onto something there.

You are going to hate me for this but that makes you sus you even more. Loom is early game and yea it uses silk but that justification is almost right off the wiki and mine is much more simplistic and not near as much info it it and has a custom justification. 

You literally modded a game where I “scumslipped” and was town. This is genuinely pushing an agenda. 

Because saying you are a crafting station heavily implies you craft items and there is no way scum does not see that as a power role. So I can’t wrap my head around why just say it yolo when it makes you a target if you are town 

I think the part I’m stuck on more than any of this is why just say you are a crafting station so openly. Instead of saying item which was what we are asking for. 

Tbh call this omgus all you want but feel like Luna is trying to divert attention away from the pressure he’s facing from Mikal and trying to deflect it to someone else. He seemed extremely snappy to call that a “scum slip” and jump on it but I’ve seen in other games when that happened he didn’t jump as soon as possible. Slight fos kn that alone

I think you prob for the claim from Someone on your team who knows the game before I started hammering down on the theory i had (if you were scum)

Every other claim so far other is a singular item with no subsets or the base item That has subsets. 

Luna is reading like scum who had his wagon derailed by a deus ex machina intervention and is struggling to start a new one on someone else.

VTL Luna

I don't care about your claim, what are your reads? Your posts have talked more about theory than about behavior. Outside of Mikal, who do you think is scum, and why? Who do you have town reads on?

I'm an NPC... I guess? Know literally nothing about this game.

Don't see the point of a mass soft claim if scum has been given role and character fake claims, but not going to clog up the DP with arguing about it.

I think it’s going to be hard to move on. Once everyone else claims it may be easier. It’s just an odd claim 

I've never played with Vader, Savant, Cerulean, Ultra, Casey, Iron, Joebob, or Banana before. Did any of you guys go by a different name on DDO? Let me know if I'm off-base with any of my reads on them, I generally have a harder time reading unfamiliar players.

Going to redo this because I got a mod clarification. I have no identifier and appearantly I read this wrong. So my item does not have a category period. In the pm it was looked like 2 words when it really should’ve been 1. So no I have 0 sub category 

I feel like there is so much off with Luna. He didn’t just say an item or soft claim. He flat said he was a type of crafting table and assuming I am wrong about my theory (I don’t think I am) why would you just claim that. I feel like the role associated with a crafting table would be very obvious and it just makes no sense why town would out when we were asking for items/npcs etc. 

Everything about all of that just strikes me as odd 

I will not speak on alleged posts I have made

First you said you were a crafting station. Then you said that you hadn't claimed yet, which seemed to mean "there are plenty of crafting stations, I could be any of them." 

There's indeed like over a dozen crafting stations. But if Mhar were handing out characters that were that specific -- alchemy table, red wrench, copper hammer -- there would be a near infinite number of claims. Why would a mod set up the game like that. No one else has said they're a specific item in a category

I think the theme is simple enough to notice and Luna claiming a subset of crafting station is weird. Hes the only person this far who is claimed a subset. I think the theme is simple enough to notice and Luna claiming a subset of crafting station is weird. Hes the only person this far who is claimed a subset. 

It was South Park mafia, 5 years ago. It was DP2 though. I remember because i was so salty i havent played from then until now. 

You led a bandwagon on me DP1 for being idle. I was town and you were scum.