Lunatic

I did use my action. I protected myself, and made vader's action untamperable. 

What’s your role justification

Last night I voyuered Earth

Earth was roleblocked last night

No other actions

Pie is innocent child, this is good. This means that Luna is likely town 

It’s actually LYLO

Also, Barney is a moron

Excuse me for not bothering to read this post because it contained so much repeated bull shit that you've said over and over again to confirm your biases. 

I’ll read this post eventually. Starting off by telling me that I’m full of shit is just the greatest choice If your goal is to convince me.

There were also multiple town trackers.

I was town, Lunatic and Pie are the scum team.

See here’s the problem. I’m not very inclined to believe you. You keep saying everything will work out tomorrow, but that seems like a pretty obvious stalling tactic, because tomorrow, you can take out someone against you, and you can steamroll over everyone else. This is why we have to vote pie or Luna tonight!

When have you asked me any questions about my claim?

WTF

Here.

You've got a role of Mathematician. Setting aside that it's the first role we've had that designates a person as the role and just assuming that it's accurate, there are a bunch of things that don't make sense to me. You state that this is a passive role. You state that you receive a number of actions that are interfered with during the night in some way, shape or form. Fine. 

You then say that you were "consensually roleblocked last night"... so you actively courted an RB last DP? Where? When?

How would you know you were roleblocked when you've claimed a passive role? You say that "I am considered an active role," but I sincerely don't understand that. What part of your role is active? What part can be roleblocked? Did the roleblock result in your not receiving results during the last NP, or is there some other facet to your role that can be roleblocked, and if so, what is it? 

You then say that there are some unknown "circumstances regarding the roleblock" that suggest it was one specific person who used it. What circumstances? 

 How does that confirm anyone? If there's good reason to believe that Pie is town, which you seem to be suggesting, then the fact that you've taken this long to explain it is just baffling. 

You seem to be asserting that you and Pie and confirm one another. So do it. Confirm yourselves. Stop beating around the bush with a weird claim and just out what happened and why you believe that confirms Pie. Telling me that you "bread crumbed" this interaction doesn't tell me jack shit because I still don't know what the interaction was. You could have just as easily planned to bread crumb as scum or as town, and claiming an RB role existed in the game before Barney isn't luck, it's just timing. Good or bad.

And yes, I am starting to read you and Pie as scum buddies at this point. Thanks for pointing that out.

You too think Pie did not write 290... Nice to see scum sticking together on insane and pointless gambits.

I’d prefer that. He hasn’t responded to any of my questions regarding his claim and I honestly have no idea how he’s coming to so many conclusions about Pie. If we can’t get others on board for the lynch, though, it’s going to end up being Barney, so I’ve tagged everyone who doesn’t have a vote up. Better decide soon, we don’t have long.

Nice job liking your own post. And what lie? That you wrote 290 so the quotations from it aren't from you... What possible scum power would enable me to post as you?

That’s a fair point, and I probably should have expected that. You said you could go with Luna maybe?

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VTL lunatic

I’m not goi to convince the die-hards here, so this one is mostly aimed at Vader and Whiteflame. Even though barney claimed late, he still did claim, while pie and Luna have not.

Mostly because they have actually claimed. You are insisting on stalling by saying, “my role is confirmable next round”. Sure it might be, but why can’t you just tell us in advance, because that’s what everyone else it doing! Sure I don’t “know” anything, but it’s not just that your aggressive, your doing exactly what the mafia would do, not to say that you are mafia, but you’ve made a much better case for yourself than Whiteflame, and maybe Barney. I could be wrong, but this is the hill I’m dying on.

I am doing the opposite of bandwagoning. I know that two of either pie, you, or Vader are scum, and the other is just bandwagoning. My guess is the town one is Vader, but if it’s you, you need to wake up, or we won’t have enough votes to be able to lynch anyone.

I also don’t rule out Moozer as scum either. I’m not sure how a consensus top town read is a scum read

Ok, here it's possible he's an inventor, messenger, roleblocker, mod confirmed to the target hybrid... Pigs occasionally fly as well.

I'm saying how the PM described it. Whereas you and Lunatic are claiming that you are privately mod confirmed RB/messenger/day cop who is right that Joebob was actually scum in spite what he looks like in the graveyard etc... I can't keep track of how many traits you two have added to your role. It's insane.

Again, your role apparently told you with certainty that Joebob was guilty in DP1... and he flipped innocent, but we're just supposed to forget?

I can do the same for Lunatic with his incredibly lazy garbage explanation for my analysis. They're not actually using the worst tactic, with minimal effect that can get newer players to not read analysis by effectively claiming it didn't occur.

Are you seeing this lol?

Pie has stated that his role  how he knew with certainty Joebob is scum (an addition to what feels like a half dozen other powers, which can't be revealed until DP3). His only defense of that is claiming that calling him out on his word is "grasping at straws."

I suspect he'll backtrack and blame eating paint chips as a child or something.

I don't think Barney is confirmed by any means, but I'd need that kind of information to give me more reason to push on him

I just find it funny that you ignore any variable that could mean barney is scum

I'm literally asking you to explain what variables you see that could explain these results, and your response is to rub in my face that I didn't think of them. Why?

You were so dismissive of the mod actively giving information that could solve the game, but now you're talking as though Austin's giving that information out to everyone who asks

That's an incredibly lucky guess considering he had no basis for making that call and none of what I said during the DP before that hinted that my using it didn't count as a visit. Almost any other choice would have been a far safer bet, but you want me to believe he just lucked into the perfect guess with the greatest degree of risk?

I'm still not clear that there are two RBs. Both you and Vader have mentioned this. The only explanation I've seen for why there must be someone other than Barney who has an RB is the somewhat confusing breakdown of the Mathematician role you mentioned before, and I'm not sure how much I buy of that to begin with.

I'm being genuine here, guys: can someone explain how it is more (or even equally) likely that a scum Barney would choose to claim this role (the weak information role that tracked my movement), this use of his role (targeting me, the player who had already claimed to get results from Earth), and this result (no movement) with the amount of information I had given him? Because, sincerely, I don't see it.

He targeted me. He didn’t see that I moved. That’s either a Tracker, a Motion Detector, or some derivation thereof. I sincerely do not give a fuck if his role actually says “Motion Detector” - it does not change much since, like I said, it still means that Barney got an accurate result when I used my role, which I would argue is not what someone else would expect upon seeing the information I was given.

I don’t understand how you are lost or confused. You revealed all this on the first page of day phase 2, where you claimed having information that you knew you weren’t roleblocked, and now are acting like Barney revealing he is a town roleblocker confirms him. How are you jumping to that conclusion or the conclusion he is town at all? How does it fit town Barney more than scum Barney?

So, a: it's not the first page of DP2. You're thinking of this post, where I detailed my results from the previous NP.

b: you're thinking of this post from page 2 where I said this:

Also, I was told this after the fact: the action I took was not considered an "active action." I asked for clarification, and what that means is it doesn't behave like a normal night action. It wouldn't have been affected by a roleblocker or redirector (yes, he did say that specifically). So, while a Godfather might fool it, I think we can confidently say that the result is the one I got on Earth, not the result of some change of target.

What I said, very clearly, was that I couldn't have been RB'd. Not that I wasn't RB'd at all.

Also, note two things: the absence of a Motion Detector among the claims that wouldn't work against it (it's in my PM, I left that information out), and the absence of any statement that I didn't actually move when I used it. 

c: Let's put all this together. So, according to you, Barney somehow intuited that I didn't move. He specifically chose the Motion Detector, the one role listed in my PM from Austin that I didn't state would be ineffective when used on me, so he just lucked out picking that single role to use on me that Austin had confirmed wouldn't produce a result if used on me. That's the only way Barney's scum based on your logic: he somehow figured all this out based on a pair of posts that gave none of this information away. It has nothing to do with him claiming town RB. It never has.

…I’m sincerely so lost on this portion of your post. I said that my use of the chess engine wasn’t considered to be movement. That is information I did not reveal back when I stated what happened at the start of the DP. Barney targeted me with what he claims was a Motion Detector that didn’t register movement. 

So, what you’re assuming is that, somehow, Barney discerned from the limited information I gave within the DP that I used the chess engine, but in my use of it, I didn’t move? He somehow figured that out? Also, to be very clear about this, we’re talking about bastard modding either way. Austin delivered this info to me after the start of the DP, basically confirming that a role was used on me that fit that description. Either the person who used it was scum or they were town, but the confirmation was there regardless. The series of events fits far better for a town Barney than it does for a scum Barney.

Curious, it looks like you only just outed yourself, but Pie already knew... Am I missing something?

At most this should be null. Barney is claiming information that's been made publicly known in the day phase since the first page. It's funny you would jump to the conclusion he was town and mod-confirmed to you here only. That would be rather convenient, but yeah doesn't seem like Austin would do that. 

…except that’s not true. I never said that my use of the chess engine would not be registered as movement. I also never said that Motion Detector was on the list of roles that would not be triggered/effective against it.

It's more the avoidance of acknowledging the whole role blocking aspect that I have a problem titling him that. It's like a title that purposefully paints him in a town light.

I acknowledged the RB. Just because I focused the attention of that post on the Motion Detector element doesn’t mean I ignored the RB in my responses.

As I saw it, he claimed a “weak investigator” role (likely Motion Detector, given that he said I didn’t move) and that his RB was contingent on it seeing movement from me. What did I get wrong?