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@warren42
Oh word. Is there anywhere I can get a brief idea of what each candidate wants to do?
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@warren42
I literally don’t think I’ve logged in in months but just wanted to see if mafia was still going and was considering playing a game. If one can get running in the near future let me know via discord PM and I’m probably down. Could also host if that’d be helpful.
I will host one soon
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@warren42
I also found it researching for high school debate, funny!I think it was a PF topic about humanitarian vs military aid for the Sahel region of Africa
Yeah a lot of people on DDO were high schoolers researching haha
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Vote Count
Airmax: 8 (Castin, supa, mikal, lunatic, BOT, SkepticalOne, Greyparrot, thett3)
3RU7AL: 5 (Athias, FLRW, Badger, Lemming, DeprecatoryLogistician)
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Airmax: 7 (Castin, supa, mikal, lunatic, BOT, SkepticalOne, Greyparrot)
3RU7AL: 5 (Athias, FLRW, Badger, Lemming, DeprecatoryLogistician)
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@Mikal
I knew it. Tbh RM seems like a lot nicer person in DMs than he does in person. It's almost as if he is trying to overcompensate for something in the forums. Turns out you just have to DM to see his good side.
Bravo RM. Bravo. I am very proud of how mature you are.
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This is the kind of shit you will say throughout, as if it's not genuine defense against your abuse but 'sucking up'.
How does it make sense that you are more offended for pie's sake then pie is offended for his own sake? Explain that lol
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This is much truer in reverse, though idk if anybody is fully 'mindless'. You and your herd/pack are much more blindly supporting of one another, especially with an enemy like me to unite/rally against.
Except when we logically substantiate it you usually dis-appear and drop the arugments, so yeah good luck backing that one up.
I don't take my stance because a pack/herd support me,
Prove it.
you do and the biggest example of the shit you pull is that they consensually engage in humiliation with you.
Stop saying so much funny sh1t then lol
You'd never mention that people had laughed at them in Discord behind their backs because they were there during it and consented to it.
You were never banned from my discord, you could be a part of these games as well. You rage quit it. You are incapable of understanding a dynamic like that however, socially because anyone who says something negative is automatically hitler in your eyes lol.
You then compare that to saying to me that I was laughed at on Disc for posts I'd made, it's one of many examples of the shit you pull to pretend I'm the one overreacting and they pile on it readily.
If you say silly crap publicly, I don't see why I and others don't have a right to find humor in it.
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Good question, while I can tell you the point to answer each and every question I've asked him during this election cycle, I can't for the life of me find much reason to answer your own questions or respond to your attacks anymore. I've already exposed what you're doing and how you are bullying me, it's up to others to realise it and decide. What you wrote is much more accurate for me vs you than Max vs me. I actually ask Max solid questions that would have real replies to them if he wanted to defend himself, they aren't loaded they are open-ended with genuine ways for him to pick a stance and reply.
Your questions for him are absolutely loaded and intended to make him look bad. It's beyond obvious lol.
You've exposed me bullying the same way you've exposed the 50 other users you've blocked and accused of bullying because they dis-agreed with you. You accuse so many people of bullying that it would be insane for anyone to still take you seriously at this point. Your the boy who cried wolf, but instead the boy who cried "bully".
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@Mikal
It's not even dislike. It's irrational disdain and borderline obsession. It's very unhealthy. He thinks he has some deep understanding of Max and what type of person he is and he is protecting the site from him. It's humourous
I have been sifting through the site out of boredeom and seeing some of his old exchanges with other users.. It's very interesting that the same behavior rationalmadman has been engaging with me now is repeat behavior he has had with other users. The amount of pure hypocrisy that's come from all of this is pretty funny actually. For example, one of the biggest "bully" things I am being accused of by him is referring to him as rationalcrybaby.
See him calling Ragnar a crybaby here: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2745-ragnar-first-gold-ama?page=1&post_number=18
Of course he also plays the whole victim role with ragnar in this thread, calling him a bully, yada yada. I find it hilarious RM is making my dispute with him sound like armageddon when he has acted the same way with many other members over the course of the years here.
Not sure how much credibility he actually has though outside a few mindless sheep.
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@Castin
submit it to supa or whiteflame via dm then in advance
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This is the only part of your post I feel I can't 'not engage'. The answer is no, it doesn't have to be insults. Most of what I asked Airmax went ignored, ironically it's only the harsh remarks you guys seem to pay attention to, despite me asking solid questions that have gone unanswered, especially regarding if he condones or condemns your behaviour.
Asking that question is obviously manipulative, and I support him not answering it. Condemning my behavior would indicate that I am the toxic user in this exchange, as opposed to the reality which is that you instigated everything. Your obviously dislike and bias against airmax is enough to justify why he shouldn't engage with you though. No response he can make will make you suddenly like him or change your mind about him so what's the point in answering any of your questions anyway?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I am perfectly okay with that panel as well.
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One of my current working ideas for voting is a bit more small scale for now, until we can get a bigger user base. I want to run this as a multi-level marketing scheme without the scheme lol.
I would call this the DART voting membership. There would be something like 3 tiers to start with.
Tier 1: You will be guaranteed get a minimum of 4 votes on your debates per month, and must cast 3 votes a month to retain this tier on any debate of your choosing.
Tier 2: You will be guaranteed get a minimum of 3 votes on your debates per month, and must cast 2 votes a month to retain this tier on any debate of your choosing.
Tier 3: You will be guaranteed get a minimum of 2 votes on your debates per month, and must cast 1 votes a month to retain this tier on any debate of your choosing.
Members part of these 3 tiers will personally have their debates advertised by myself. I will guarantee a vote on any debate of a member belonging to these tiers and will make sure to advertise your debate(s) until your voting qouta for your tier has been reached. The minimum does not neccesarily mean you won't recieve more votes by participating in this program.
This is one idea of a few I have. Obviously I don't want to get too over-zealous. This will be a trial and error process to determine which methods encourage community participation the most. If this idea doesn't work or doesn't appeal to users I will try other methods to encourage voting. I am in discussions with airmax about these various projects. This is just a taste of what I have planned when airmax is elected president.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Or as one potential comprise make it open voting but you each get some number of people that you can disqualify from voting based on the belief that they would bee too biased. Just list them before round one and if you are listed by either debator your vote doesn't count, would have to limit the number of people each debator can list though. Maybe three at most. American trials have a rule like this for the jury selection process.
I opt for open voting in general. I would hope mods will to their best to prevent bad votes. RM is the only one here who has qualms with voters it seems. I am okay with everyone who has offered to judge this however. I doubt this will happen as RM will look for many an excuse to call out the voters however so we will see what happens.
But I think even pie, DD and wylted would be pretty unbiased. I don't know ramshutu enough to vouch for him, but I can comment on the other 3. I know RM thinks wylted would be biased towards me, but that is not the case in the slightest. Wylted has called me out in PM's for certain defenses of airmax, and has even recently called me out for scaring RM away from voting airmax. Wylted is a lot more unbiased I think than RM gives him credit for.
I think you are pretty unbiased here because you were seeming pretty open minded about who you would vote for in the early election stages and seemed to actively consider RM as a candidate.
And pie and me have had a longstanding beef with each other in the forums for a long time. Pie is someone I respect though to be honest and not let emotion or bias overcome him. But considering how hard RM sucked up to him when I called pie out, you would think RM should be okay with this one as well.
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If airmax get's elected president, I have plans to kick start this website and enourage activity. With Airmax's help with outreach and marketing, I plan to help tackle the debate and voting side of things.
Debating current topics
My hope for this will be to organize a group of like minded debaters- people who love to debate and want to see our community grow. Then we are going to just blast out high quality debates on centralized topics around current issues, like vaccine mandates, rittenhouse trial, Biden presidential decisions, pulling out of Afghanistan, Racism issues, etc etc. The idea will be to get as many of these debates into the challenge period and accepted as fast as possible. A trial run of a good 10-15 debates (this maybe over zealous at first, but we can play it by ear) that can be ready to advertise across different sites. The more people we get on board with this idea the faster we can on track a new onslaught of debaters to this fabulous website.
Voting improvements
Now voting is something I have always been passionate about. Getting people to debate is one thing, but expecting a half decent vote on your debate is another. This is something even DDO struggled with at times as well. On DDO I was part of several projects that had varying levels of success and would like to share some of the ideas that I have had in the past, and to what degree they have worked. I single handedly reformed how people voted on the website and was able to petition the mods to put enforce better guidelines with voting in general.
https://www.debate.org/forums/Debate.org/topic/83543#2364831 This thread resulting in a public vote being cast that ultimately reformed voting policies to require people to put in a significant effort.
My history with voting improvement
Judge voting. I created judge voting. Not even kidding. That nifty mechanic you can enable here, came from DDO. That function was literally only there because I pushed it hard with the site developers. It was one of the few changes I was able to enforce when I was president of the website. https://www.debate.org/forums/Debate.org/topic/40173#1458499
Votes of the week: https://www.debate.org/forums/Debate.org/topic/32406#1216541 A project headed by airmax that was used to congratulate good voting practices that I helped head and participate.
I also formed several succesful voting initiatives. Most of these voting groups I have put together or participated in the past usually had some incentive or reward attached.
In 2012 I created a voters competition, where the individual with the most votes on debates would win a playstation 4. Mikal won this, and is actually how I got to know him in the first place.
I also participated and organized the DDO Voters Union headed by Donald.Keller.
This was one of the most succesful voting campaigns I participated in DDO's history.
Here is an example of how many votes we were able to generate in June of 2017: https://docs.google.com/document/d/14YZG8iDwfC7rHMezIOIegavf7iWurUT-kvtagJaw3jc/edit?usp=sharing The grand total was 68. Keep in mind these are high quality debate votes, votes with in depth explanation, not just 7 point wins awarded. We sifted through eligble votes before counting them towards whatever the prize was for the month.
We would post threads for users to post debates they wanted to get votes on. Any quality debate submitted usually recieved votes from someone in our union: https://www.debate.org/forums/debate.org/topic/84420/1/
Airmax and BOT hosted the Raisor Rubles incentive program for voting, which was also hugely succesful though I do not have the google documents to showcase the stats from this initiative any longer.
New Ideas
All of the above should show that I have a decent history organizing and forming succesful voting initiatives. I have had a lot of experience with this in the past. I have several new ideas for this website. My goal will be to take it slow. I realize this community doesn't yield the same numbers DDO once had. That's okay. Change is a coming, and we will first have to work on getting people here. That said, I have found what an active community wants the most rather than tangible rewards, was a way to guarantee votes on their own debates. Each project initiative had this perk. People who participated in these debate voting groups could usually rely on unbiased votes from others in the group as well. The overarching idea is to vote more than you debate, and incentivize voting through knowledge that it's a pay it forward type of system. The more votes you cast, the more likely you are to get votes on your own debates. I am working with airmax on several ideas for new voting initiatives as we speak.
The rest is on you the community. Please vote airmax1227 for this election. We can accomplish so much for the site if you just let us prove what we can do. We have had so much experience in this field. I know and have seen airmax perform wonders as president and mod on DDO, and I know he will accomplish that here too. I am not saying I am unwilling to put this type of effort in if 3RU7AL becomes president. I have to see his initiative, see that he generally cares about site promotion as he says he does first. I don't want these efforts to go in vain. I know airmax has the work ethic though to help see these initiatives through however which is why I strongly encourage you to vote for airmax1227 today.
Thankyou.
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@Earth
Did you get better than her?
No, no, no. Your asking the wrong question. The real question is: "Did he get the girl?"
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@Barney
There's a no quotation from PMs rule. While this is implied to be taken from memory instead of being a direct quote, please tread carefully on such matters as it's a subclause related (even while far less extreme) to doxing https://info.debateart.com/terms-of-service/rules#safety-and-privacyI don't believe that you talked to someone is protected, and I'm not seeing the malice the rule is in place to handle, but again, please tread carefully. It's a good habit to just not make direct quotes from PMs.
Since you love to slap people like me and Mikal on the wrist for this really really stupid qoute rule, let me point out a few times where RM has done the same thing with virtually 0 response from you. Demonstrating that once again you are opining without context, or you have irrationally picked RM's side in this dispute.
"I will get DART popular... Super popular on Twitch and YT BUT ONLY IF I WIN OTHERWISE YOU CAN GO TO HELL'" - RM misqouting airmax
"airmax is using tactics of many last-minute-made accounts going to blitz the votes." - RM falsely accusing Max of doing things he is not doing, along the same lines as misqouting.
"One guy talks 'respect' to every single mod like a teacher's pet while simultaneously threatening to ditch the entire site if his beloved Airmax loses the election." - RM mis-interpreting my words in the forum games section as me quitting the site. He has misqouted me multiple times in different threads accusing me of saying something I did not.
"I'm pretty fucking tired of this attitude Airmax and these 2 have, like ohhhh big bad Airmax if we don't vote him we're such ungrateful brats for the guy who didn't do jack shit for us the past few years ohhhh we will give you the win so you are appeased. You aren't special anymore, you're a background character. I'm only supporting their tantrum-based bargaining because I want the site to get popular and no other candidate gives that as a hard campaign promise." -RM misqouting me mikal and airmax pretty fvcking directly in the exact way you have slapped me on the wrist for in the past. You were directly tagged in this one too.
Cut the bullsh1t here Ragnar. these public warnings are absolutely ridiculous. I don't report RM for these because I don't think anyone seriously believes these qoutes aren't sarcastic or purposeful manipulation of another persons actual words. But to accuse mikal of borderline doxxing here is next level idiocy. You can argue that relaying information in a PM is "unethical" but unless both parties agreed not to share information in a PM, I don't see how any doxxing accusations can be taken seriously with that. If mikal was exposing RM's real life information like, name, location, or details that if exposed could result in RM being physically harmed, that would be another thing.
These public hand slapping techniques you have grown accustomed to are very unbecoming for moderation. If anything direct message the user with these. And then let them politely tell you how much they don't care about the warning in the DM instead of taking sides in a dispte publicly. Or an even better suggestion: Don't get involved at all. Again just makes your job easier, especially since you clearly don't have the time to delve into viewing context of both sides.
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So you meet and converse regularly face to face?
Meet and converse regularly, yes, face to face, no.
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@badger
Lol I wish the search function on that site worked. Would be nice to reminisce
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Vote 3RU7AL.
Vote Airmax.
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Are you older than me or am I older than you? 2008 seems early.
Not sure. I am only 29.
https://www.debate.org/badger/ Looks like your account started in 2011, huh I thought you were around before me on DDO. Did you have another account before that one?
I'm fairly positive I googled "online debate site". I'd been having arguments in the youtube comments section like a fucking weirdo.I was an outdoorsy, townie kinda kid. Got expelled from school first time around. This might sound hard to believe, but I remember learning that "I've" was a contraction of "I have" on DDO. Like 19 years old probably. And I'd been writing it "I'v" until I did.I grew so much as a person on DDO. I never really debated or anything, was always more about broad strokes I guess, but I found books, movies, animes, ideas. Not sure I would be the same person today otherwise.
It's cool to see and hear that a website like that brought in people who didn't even have an outside interest in debate.
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@zedvictor4
Do you know both personally?
Airmax, yes. Still getting to know 3RU7AL.
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This has been an eventful election process so far, and I have to say I am proud to say that a lot of activity has generated from this thing. Regardless of who wins here, the site will be better for having introduced this role for the community. 3RU7AL, Airmax, good luck to you both and thanks for running. As having been a former president of a debate site myself, I can say that the task of running is an arduous and messy one sometimes, but the end result is that both of you want to endeavor to further the community. Regardless of who wins here, I have hopes that both of you will do your best at achieving a better, more active DART.
Good luck to both of you fine gentlemen.
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As a sophmore in debate class circa 2008, I was researching a topic for a lincoln douglas debate tournament in my high scool library. Funnily enough I remember the exact topic. "Resolved: Vigilantism is justified when the government has failed to enforce the law.."
That was my first debate tournament and I won a novice trophy from it. Considering pretty much all of my research and arguments came from sources and debate from DDO, I have always kind of attributed DDO as helping me win my first tournament. Just kind of stuck around after that, eventually found I enjoyed the community aspects, and ultimately stuck around majorly for mafia.
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Your solution to Airmax being correctly attacked by me about flaws of him as a candidate for a leadership position/role on this website is to simply attack me relentlessly and push me to psychological high-pressure breaking points and say 'you are having a mental breakdown lol'.
I love how you think being in a leadership role literally changes anything. An attack is an attack. The fact that you are willing to go in on airmax but think you should be able to get away scot free without anyone calling you out on your BS, shows that you are insecure. If you were secure with who you were and what you stood for than you wouldn't care what I think about your wrong judgement of airmax. But part of you does know doesn't it? You know how completely baseless your insults and overall take of airmax is. You know how petty and grudge holding it all is. That's why you are so insecure about anyone who dares defy your stance here. So instead of showing humility and admitting your take was wrong, you double down, because that's all you know how to do. It's animal instinct and how dare anyone tell you that you are wrong here. How freakin' dare they.
I legit imagine everytime someone responds to you telling you they think you are wrong your jaw just drops and you gasp cartoonishly and say "How dare you!" like Greta Thunberg.
I am tired of repeating what I think of you as a person, I will say the obvious; I dislike you and consider you a person I want absolutely fuck all to do with. For very different reasons, I feel the same about Airmax.
I understand you dislike me. You are unnacustomed to people calling you out when you play these manipulative games and tactics. You are used to throwing a temper tantrum and getting your way. I unfortunately cannot let that happen. The more it happens, the more you get away with it, the further it feeds this addiction you have. Someone has to start calling you out. I will encourage others to do the same. You will either get with it, or you will leave the site and claim you were bullied off. Regardless I am not going to get bullied off the site from you trying to use the mods to ban me. I don't want you banned either, but if you can't grow up, having you leave the site until you can come back and be mature enough to have rational discussions with people might be the best option here. I will not bully you off the site, but I will call you out left right and sideways everytime you say something ridiculous. I imagine you consider that bullying and that is your perrogative. But I am going to work on getting people to understand your manipulation strategies by pointing them out every time you do it. This isn't even close to over yet. This is just getting started.
The fact you have tethered his self worth and reputation to your own to the point where you will viciously attack anyone who dares question him and he tactically plays passive and quiet as you do so, totally dodging the questions highlights something deeper than just he's gonna let you do that if he wins. It shows a very sly coward using an abusive personality, neither of the two are people I want near a leadership position.
The questions you have for him are all manipulative and show you have an agenda. You wanna know what Max's agenda is? To make this site grow and be better and healthy. You attacking him and bringing up the past at every turn directly inhibits him from doing that. If he was to diginify you with a response and get sucked into the same rabbit hole I am with you, that takes a lot of his time away to answer legit questions from members who actually are curious about who he is and what he plans to do for the site, as opposed to you, who already has his mind made up. Max shouldn't be dealing with you at any level if he actually cares about the site. You are a plague to the website. You have actively demonstrated that you only want this website to flourish so much as it is a safe space to you and you only. You only want users around that suck off everything you say or do, and anyone who doesn't you call a bully and claim victim status. Airmax will continue to ignore you in every capacity, he has been majorly advised to do this from multiple people and understands exactly what you are trying to do.
I couldn't give a damn what you do, you want teeth baring, okay, however I will bare them at my own pace and careful in how I word what I say. I am done playing nice with you and Airmax, I will still have to be somewhat passive due to site rules and what kind of villain you're trying to paint me as.
This hilariously indicates that you think you have been playing nice this whole time lol. You started the teeth baring. If you think this is toxic, it's because YOU brought it there. The only person who made this an emotional shit show instead of an intelligent conversation between two adults is YOU RM. Grow up and take some responsibility for your actions for once in your goddamn life man.
A man, or woman or genderfluid for that matter, who wants to fill a leadership position on this website needs to at the very least be able to handle heat and respond man-to-man or woman-to-man or whatever. Why the fuck do you need to bully me away from daring to say what I freely think about Airmax if you're pro free-speech? Let me say it, say what you think about him and let the readers decide. You're attacking the source again and again abusing every logical fallacy in the book (focusing on ad hom) because you can't handle that not everyone loves Airmax. Not even everyone except me, it's not DDO anymore and others have a voice here, your clique hasn't drowned them out like before.
Everything in this paragraph contradicts itself. You are literally telling me that you think Airmax should have tough skin, but that you shouldn't because you aren't running for president. Is this really what you want from the presidency, a toxic shit show where they are constantly having to defend themselves from your insults? You hate airmax, and always will. Nothing he ever does or says will change that. If he responds to any of your bull crap, no matter what, unless he completely admits that you are right in everything, your stance on airmax will never change. So what is the point of him responding to any of it? You have shown how impossible you are to reason with in discussing with me. Why would him answering your leading questions change any of that? You have your narrative of him and are going to run with it no matter what he says or does.
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"Your solution to Airmax being correctly attacked by me"
Anyone who may be semi watching this dispute, I think it's time to pause this discussion right here and just consider what RationalMadman just said here. Seriously.
1. RationalMadman just basically admitted to attacking Airmax (this was pretty abundandtly clear but just in case anyone bought into his victim narrative)
2. This shows RationalMadman is the one who decides whether an attack is "correct" or not.
This was pretty much the whole reason our conflict started by the way, was me pointing out to him that subjectively deciding who is right or wrong in a situation doesn't make a good case for how he wants moderation to work. The plain and simple fact at the end of the day here is that RM believes in attacks, likes to attack, and is okay with an attack on anyone he thinks he can justify it towards. The second someone puts it back on him though, suddenly it's not okay.
This is the definition of the phrase "You can dish it out but can't take it".
If anyone is still watching this sh1t show, the above qoute right there pretty much should be the nail in the coffin to any credibility you thought this guy had in claiming to be victimized or bullied.
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Lol rm trying to hand pick voters who suck him off. I say leave it open voting then.
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It is and this is not me gaslighting you but what you think the strategy is, isn't what it is in this instance.The strategy is you take all the blame and brunt while Airmax looks squeaky clean, it's ingenious and he doesn't have to tell you to do it for you to do it. You're like the enforcer, he's like the godfather (in this instance) except you're not directly hired, it's just personality types and the clique.
This is 100% a gaslight lol I love that you even called it out because you knew what you were doing in advance lol.
Airmax doesn't care about drama and politics he just wants to bring activity to a site and make a pass time hobby he used to love a thing again. You constantly attacking him and him responding gets in the way of that. He doesn't care about the drama. You do. So if you want drama you can take it up with me. Like I said in that thread you tried taking down. Airmax shouldn't be responding to you in any capacity because your goal from the start wad clearly to harm his image despite your claim to ever support him.
I see through you like glass little man.
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Actually, during this election, you don't seem to stand for anything except Airmax's pride and my humiliation which is a very odd way of things turning out.
You realize how non sensible it is to accuse me of standing up for someone else's "pride" right lol.
Me responding to you instead of airmax is strategy and part of the bigger goal of helping the website in spite of you actively trying to kill it. Shows I stand for something. You stand for yourself only.
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You guys did drive RM TO vote for brutal. He was legitimately going to vote for airmax
If RM was truly going to vote airmax it was ingenuity. He was doing more harm to airmaxs campaign then 3RU7AL was ever doing.
RM is trying to get back at me. He doesnt stand for anything except his own pride.
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You are free to take whatever I say with a grain of salt since you assume I am "chummy" with airmax, but I am surprised you are basing so much of your vote on the opinions of others opinion on a user. I would recommend you read both campaigns yourself and decide. Obviously I would encourage you to vote airmax's because his will be objectively better, but even then I would rather you just research yourself than judge an opinion from someone as volatile and flip floppy as RM. Airmax literally did nothing to justify him switching his vote. Him switching his vote is literally only him trying to get back at me, because I keep logically handing it to him the forums. Regardless of whether you take my side on this or not, I can guarantee you RM is using his vote for manipulative purposes and not over anything airmax actually did.
Just research both candidates yourself and form your own conclusion. You've had enough dealings with RM that you have to know somewhat what I am talking about here...
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He works for Debate.org. They have 52 employees and an income of $5.1 million per year.
He is not an employee of Juggle, he was given moderator privileges but never got paid to do them
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He has bullied me but arguing that with you is pointless due to bias.
He has logically substantied that these games have been at the expense of both himself and airmax as well. You can't just dismiss it as bias. Admit you don't have an argument.
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Why didn't 3RU7AL push this before? I would have altered to vote him as soon as I realised he had genuine ability to make this popular amongst debaters elsewhere.
The stats in that are pretty underwhelming, your feigned support him is still a manipulation tactic lol
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Its hilarious how bad RM is losing this argument. He knows he literally can't substantiate anything he says. He is so full of crap it's spilling out of him faster than he can contain it hahahaha
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I barely mentioned Max at all other than in this election and very early on in this website or when matters of Max's moderation rarely got discussed and I was around to read the thread.
Liar lol there was multiple times airmax's name would get brought up, and any time it did you would go in on him hard.
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That is correct, you got Lunatic and Mikal to do it for you.
Other way around, mikal peer pressured max into running, and I am responding to you so he doesn't have to because you are giant to smear his great name lol. Airmax never asked anyone to do anything lol.
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@Mikal
Who has been more harsh (of course he has).
I don't think I have been more "harsh" in the slightest. I can back that up too with sources from some of the things RM has said. He is just trying to paint the picture that I have been worse in this exchange.
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oro is lemming right?
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oro is one of the few people who buys the "RM is the victim here" narrative
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@Wylted
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o, you see I'm very secure. That's why I can make posts like the ones you laugh at.
Except for the fact that you are leading an emotional tirade against airmax and the mods in their dm's right now contradicts how secure you are lol
There's also a less obvious reason why I stick to defense more than offense with you, one is of course to avoid getting punished as only you are violating the site rules in your abuse of me. The other reason is that I am secure, I don't need to break you down to feel better about myself. You are trying everything to make me snap here and laughing whenever you get a reaction you want, calling it a mental breakdown.
It is funny that you are trying to play moral superiority here when you just admitted not long ago that the reason this fight exists and continues to exist. is because you will never attempt to see eye to eye. Instead of wanting to debate or argue a point you will continuously make this an emotional thing. There is no even ground with you, its either winning or losing. Your mentality here demonstrates you have already lost.
However, let me break out of pure defense for just one moment.You have every single trait of a chronic abusive gaslighter that one could possibly want to tick on a checklist to diagnose/spot the behavioural pattern. It doesn't bother me because I am not here to talk about you but if you go around making threads saying I gaslight, I abuse, this and that and constantly taunt me sadistically and the moment I react appropriately to it, you call it a mental breakdown then I will bite back slightly by pointing out that if either of us is a real nasty piece of work, it's you.
You are not a psychologist and you do not get to decide that you are a victim here. You can say it all you want, but it will never be factually accurate. You started this and continue it on a personal level. Again the only reason it ever got there is because of you. You manipulated ragnar into taking action against me, bullying me by closing down my thread, and I used logic and reasoning to appeal that decision to the mods to reverse your action. You still seek to continue to bully me by threatening airmax and his campaign against me. It won't work, because I knew from the beginning you never supported airmax. I will continue to be a stark defender and supporter of him. He will fix this dying website, and people like you will lose interest when every person you dislike doesn't get simply banned because you baited them into a manipulative fight that no one reads context into and just takes your side on because they get tired of recieving reports. Yeah I am not gonna let you win that game here :)
Gaslighting consists of the following:
- Undermining the other's experience, especially if it's negative, as being as serious as they perceive it (what's important is this is done regularly and habitually not as a one-off thing where perhaps the person really overreacts).
- While consistently being the perpetrator and abusing the other, you focus on their reactions, twist them to be proactive lashing out and continually guilt-trip the person for responding to the very agony that the previous bullet point highlights you undermine.
- You abuse the fact that the person is in some way less adept than you (socially, financially, physically whatever) and continually pressure them along this line to feel helpless specifically when they seek help from an authority, you up the ante.
- When all that is complete, you proceed to push a narrative that they are insane and make them question if what they feel is valid and what they perceive is genuine.
You have all four to the hilt.
None of this is gaslighting lol. The closest one was the second bullet point, and even that went in a wild direction towards the end. You clearly do not know what you are talking about.
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Why is the 'lol' needed
Because your reaction to my mafia game is tearing you apart and causing you to have a breakdown lol. You are that insecure by the stupid sh1t you say on the website.
and what do you believe gaslighting is?
We've had this discussion already and I've already defined it for you.
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